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Jett Pezzin wrote:

Defy Gravity wrote:

I'm not sure if this idea has been discussed before but I just wanted to throw my idea out there. you can agree/disagree but I want community feedback on this and how it would change the game.

So staring blankly at my ps3 I thought about an idea. Shield/Armor Hardeners on dropsuits ( Passive of course ) It could mean a small increase in ttk ( with exceptions ) So here's what I thought

Shield Hardener: 3% Reduction to pg cost per level

STD 3% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 40 PG 8

ADV 6% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 55 PG 14

PRO 8% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 70 PG 18

Armor Hardener: 3% Reduction to cpu cost per level

STD 2% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 35 PG 10

ADV 4% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 50 PG 16

PRO 6% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 65 PG 20

So the high cpu on shield hardeners go well with shield oriented suits ( *cough* caldari ) Because they usually have high base cpu. And with the skill to reduce pg usage per level it fits in because most shield tankers need pg to fit extenders etc.

And as armor hardeners go with more armor oriented suits and they usually have more pg to fit plating etc. The CPU reduction per level because it allows the armor tanker to fit things like Damage Mods etc.

So tell me what you guys think! The skills for the module were not to well thought out as that came across my mind other than uhh i don't know ( 5% Shield hardener efficiency per level )

EDIT: Disregard heavies for the time being as they are getting a cpu/pg decrease thanks.

Thread should have been here.

So you're saying hardeners only on light and medium dropsuits?

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Defy Gravity 446	Posted - 2014.07.10 06:46:00 - [1] - Quote I'm not sure if this idea has been discussed before but I just wanted to throw my idea out there. you can agree/disagree but I want community feedback on this and how it would change the game. So staring blankly at my ps3 I thought about an idea. Shield/Armor Hardeners on dropsuits ( Passive of course ) It could mean a small increase in ttk ( with exceptions ) So here's what I thought Shield Hardener: 3% Reduction to pg cost per level STD 3% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 40 PG 8 ADV 6% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 55 PG 14 PRO 8% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 70 PG 18 Armor Hardener: 3% Reduction to cpu cost per level STD 2% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 35 PG 10 ADV 4% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 50 PG 16 PRO 6% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 65 PG 20 So the high cpu on shield hardeners go well with shield oriented suits ( cough caldari ) Because they usually have high base cpu. And with the skill to reduce pg usage per level it fits in because most shield tankers need pg to fit extenders etc. And as armor hardeners go with more armor oriented suits and they usually have more pg to fit plating etc. The CPU reduction per level because it allows the armor tanker to fit things like Damage Mods etc. So tell me what you guys think! The skills for the module were not to well thought out as that came across my mind other than uhh i don't know ( 5% Shield hardener efficiency per level ) EDIT: Disregard heavies for the time being as they are getting a cpu/pg decrease thanks. If I kill you in game, look for a confirmation that says "I Just Killed You"
Jett Pezzin Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 195	Posted - 2014.07.10 06:55:00 - [2] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: I'm not sure if this idea has been discussed before but I just wanted to throw my idea out there. you can agree/disagree but I want community feedback on this and how it would change the game. So staring blankly at my ps3 I thought about an idea. Shield/Armor Hardeners on dropsuits ( Passive of course ) It could mean a small increase in ttk ( with exceptions ) So here's what I thought Shield Hardener: 3% Reduction to pg cost per level STD 3% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 40 PG 8 ADV 6% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 55 PG 14 PRO 8% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 70 PG 18 Armor Hardener: 3% Reduction to cpu cost per level STD 2% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 35 PG 10 ADV 4% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 50 PG 16 PRO 6% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 65 PG 20 So the high cpu on shield hardeners go well with shield oriented suits ( cough caldari ) Because they usually have high base cpu. And with the skill to reduce pg usage per level it fits in because most shield tankers need pg to fit extenders etc. And as armor hardeners go with more armor oriented suits and they usually have more pg to fit plating etc. The CPU reduction per level because it allows the armor tanker to fit things like Damage Mods etc. So tell me what you guys think! The skills for the module were not to well thought out as that came across my mind other than uhh i don't know ( 5% Shield hardener efficiency per level ) EDIT: Disregard heavies for the time being as they are getting a cpu/pg decrease thanks. Thread should have been here. So you're saying hardeners only on light and medium dropsuits? CEO of Terminal Courtesy! ------- Newest member of Proficiency V.
Defy Gravity 446	Posted - 2014.07.10 06:59:00 - [3] - Quote Jett Pezzin wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: I'm not sure if this idea has been discussed before but I just wanted to throw my idea out there. you can agree/disagree but I want community feedback on this and how it would change the game. So staring blankly at my ps3 I thought about an idea. Shield/Armor Hardeners on dropsuits ( Passive of course ) It could mean a small increase in ttk ( with exceptions ) So here's what I thought Shield Hardener: 3% Reduction to pg cost per level STD 3% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 40 PG 8 ADV 6% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 55 PG 14 PRO 8% Reduction to Laser/Blaster weaponry damage taken CPU: 70 PG 18 Armor Hardener: 3% Reduction to cpu cost per level STD 2% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 35 PG 10 ADV 4% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 50 PG 16 PRO 6% Reduction to Rail/Projectile weaponry damage taken CPU 65 PG 20 So the high cpu on shield hardeners go well with shield oriented suits ( cough caldari ) Because they usually have high base cpu. And with the skill to reduce pg usage per level it fits in because most shield tankers need pg to fit extenders etc. And as armor hardeners go with more armor oriented suits and they usually have more pg to fit plating etc. The CPU reduction per level because it allows the armor tanker to fit things like Damage Mods etc. So tell me what you guys think! The skills for the module were not to well thought out as that came across my mind other than uhh i don't know ( 5% Shield hardener efficiency per level ) EDIT: Disregard heavies for the time being as they are getting a cpu/pg decrease thanks. Thread should have been here. So you're saying hardeners only on light and medium dropsuits? Sorry about posting here. And no its meant for heavy to but there reducing the cpu pg. so I wouldn't be sure how it would effect it. If I kill you in game, look for a confirmation that says "I Just Killed You"
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3538	Posted - 2014.07.10 07:02:00 - [4] - Quote Yes make it happen Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! Changes to the A-logi is the embodiment ofCCPLogic
Jett Pezzin Terminal Courtesy Proficiency V. 197	Posted - 2014.07.10 07:04:00 - [5] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Sorry about posting here. And no its mean't for heavies too but there reducing the cpu pg. so I wouldn't be sure how it would effect it. Hmm :/ Well heavies have enough defense systems (shield/armor) already. I don't think hardeners would be a good idea to add to something that already has like 1000 armor. That would be ridiculous. CEO of Terminal Courtesy! ------- Newest member of Proficiency V.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3538	Posted - 2014.07.10 07:10:00 - [6] - Quote That's why I'd have to be active hardeners Run, hide in fear while you can for the Amarr Scout is on the hunt! Changes to the A-logi is the embodiment ofCCPLogic
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 181	Posted - 2014.07.10 07:19:00 - [7] - Quote Hardeners for dropsuits? Let's talk new game modes. We need to push that envelope more...
Defy Gravity 446	Posted - 2014.07.10 22:43:00 - [8] - Quote bump If I kill you in game, look for a confirmation that says "I Just Killed You"
Zelda Harkinian Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 49	Posted - 2014.07.10 22:48:00 - [9] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: That's why I'd have to be active hardeners it could work. At first I was thinking, it wouldn't make sense to make them active because when you're getting shot at you don't have to time to activate a module, sometimes you don't even have enough time to turn around and shoot back. but it would work amazing if you and your squad are about to storm a room. activate shield/ armor hardeners, and then swarm in swat style. good idea. ^_^ also, I wonder how effective it would be if instead of a module it was an equipment and gave the bonus to both shields and armor.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10808	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:00:00 - [10] - Quote So basically, armor suits will never used hardeners? k Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC

Defy Gravity 446	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:02:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So basically, armor suits will never used hardeners? k huh? If I kill you in game, look for a confirmation that says "I Just Killed You"
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11759	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:10:00 - [12] - Quote It's probably not worth it because 1 plate with its natural resistances against laser and plasma would probably provide more EHP anyway. Not that I don't like the idea though. One of the reasons these are fit in EVE is because plates and extenders are rather expensive in terms of fitting space and as ships have natural shield and armour resists varying depending on their racial proclivities..... so adding to those, or aiding in buffing weak resistances is necessary. In dust it is not..... "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
Zelda Harkinian Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 56	Posted - 2014.07.11 00:35:00 - [13] - Quote what if it was an equipment like the cloak but it gave a very noticeable reduction to damage taken? So, and I should warn you, I'm terrible with numbers, this is just an example: standard- 4 seconds, 25% reduction to damage taken to shields and armor- cool down time 30 seconds advanced- 5 seconds, 45% reduction to damage taken to shields and armor- cool down time 45 seconds prototype- 5 seconds, 65% reduction to damage taken to shields and armor- cool down time 1 minute. these numbers don't represent any balance, but are there more to get the idea across on how an equipment like "hardeners" would work. I'm sure with some tweaking, it could become a very useful item.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10811	Posted - 2014.07.11 01:37:00 - [14] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So basically, armor suits will never used hardeners? k huh? For what reason would armor resists be weaker than shields? Give me one good reason. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
CamClarke Inner.Hell 56	Posted - 2014.07.11 01:48:00 - [15] - Quote EHP from a single equivalent shield extender/STD armor plate is higher for less CPU/PG at every tier across the board, including for Heavies.
Defy Gravity 447	Posted - 2014.07.11 06:06:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So basically, armor suits will never used hardeners? k huh? For what reason would armor resists be weaker than shields? Give me one good reason. I only made armor resists weaker because of the difference between vehicle Armor/Shield Hardeners & That shields are more hit and run so they have a small edge when engaging. If I kill you in game, look for a confirmation that says "I Just Killed You"
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10814	Posted - 2014.07.11 10:49:00 - [17] - Quote Defy Gravity wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Defy Gravity wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So basically, armor suits will never used hardeners? k huh? For what reason would armor resists be weaker than shields? Give me one good reason. I only made armor resists weaker because of the difference between vehicle Armor/Shield Hardeners & That shields are more hit and run so they have a small edge when engaging. The modules you are suggesting are passive. In vehicles they're active. Armor hardeners last longer and recharge faster, here they're simply inferior. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10814	Posted - 2014.07.11 10:50:00 - [18] - Quote CamClarke wrote: EHP from a single equivalent shield extender/STD armor plate is higher for less CPU/PG at every tier across the board, including for Heavies. Now look at HP/s. Doesn't look like sunshine and rainbows now, does it? Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC


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