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Hawkings Greenback wrote:

Beren Hurin wrote:

Hawkings Greenback wrote:

Beren Hurin wrote:

A selling point on logi equipment balance at PRO. If passive scans are removed, then it will be the logi's job to scan. Getting that extra scanner at PRO for the amarr and caldari will be helpful.

That still doesn't make loosing a side arm slot any easier if I have to now go & save SP for proto scanners.

This isn't an argument in favor of the logi suit being balanced for a logi role. If your complaint is that "my SP I spent on weapon effectivness now makes my logi less effective as a logi" isn't really valid.

The point of the tweak is to make logis play their logi/support role, and assaults be worthwhile in their niche.

Not sure how I am not playing my role as a logi if I have a side arm & use it. Removing the side arm slot DOES NOT in any way help a set of suits with poorly conceived bonus. Also if the the assault suits were any good then more people would use them. The fact that people would prefer to go scout, heavy or even logi says a lot about the assault suit not the others.

Besides, as I have pointed out, my link bonus does not work when I am dead. So I try & ensure I stay alive long enough to protect the links & myself to allow the bonus to work & for people to return to the battlefield quicker.

This is not a discussion for me about OHNOESMYSIDARMISUSELESSNOW, it is a point about why is there a need to remove it in the first place. Its not going to magically make assaults better & I certainly don't see hordes of Amarr logis roaming the battlefield killing all in sight. The sidearm is useful, for me. I like it. It saves my life ( though not always Sad


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Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2447	Posted - 2014.07.09 19:03:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: * Reactive Plates to 1-2-3% 1-2-3 HP/s repaired? ....or 1-2-3% armor resists!!!
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2449	Posted - 2014.07.10 11:46:00 - [2] - Quote A selling point on logi equipment balance at PRO. If passive scans are removed, then it will be the logi's job to scan. Getting that extra scanner at PRO for the amarr and caldari will be helpful.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2449	Posted - 2014.07.10 11:57:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: That's sort of where we see this going, rather than fitting penalties. Plus, good efficacy bonuses to encourage more flavorful playstyles. Define 'flavorful playstyles'? Assuming light weapons get a fitting cost increase across the board, are we talking something like a general assault -6% light weapon fitting cost decrease and an additional -3% racial weapon fitting cost decrease?
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2449	Posted - 2014.07.10 12:00:00 - [4] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: A selling point on logi equipment balance at PRO. If passive scans are removed, then it will be the logi's job to scan. Getting that extra scanner at PRO for the amarr and caldari will be helpful. That still doesn't make loosing a side arm slot any easier if I have to now go & save SP for proto scanners. This isn't an argument in favor of the logi suit being balanced for a logi role. If your complaint is that "my SP I spent on weapon effectivness now makes my logi less effective as a logi" isn't really valid. The point of the tweak is to make logis play their logi/support role, and assaults be worthwhile in their niche.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2449	Posted - 2014.07.10 12:21:00 - [5] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: A selling point on logi equipment balance at PRO. If passive scans are removed, then it will be the logi's job to scan. Getting that extra scanner at PRO for the amarr and caldari will be helpful. That still doesn't make loosing a side arm slot any easier if I have to now go & save SP for proto scanners. This isn't an argument in favor of the logi suit being balanced for a logi role. If your complaint is that "my SP I spent on weapon effectivness now makes my logi less effective as a logi" isn't really valid. The point of the tweak is to make logis play their logi/support role, and assaults be worthwhile in their niche. Not sure how I am not playing my role as a logi if I have a side arm & use it. Removing the side arm slot DOES NOT in any way help a set of suits with poorly conceived bonus. Also if the the assault suits were any good then more people would use them. The fact that people would prefer to go scout, heavy or even logi says a lot about the assault suit not the others. Besides, as I have pointed out, my link bonus does not work when I am dead. So I try & ensure I stay alive long enough to protect the links & myself to allow the bonus to work & for people to return to the battlefield quicker. This is not a discussion for me about OHNOESMYSIDARMISUSELESSNOW, it is a point about why is there a need to remove it in the first place. Its not going to magically make assaults better & I certainly don't see hordes of Amarr logis roaming the battlefield killing all in sight. The sidearm is useful, for me. I like it. It saves my life ( though not always ). I don't think the argument is that it makes assaults better absolutely. It makes them a better choice relatively (assuming decent bonuses too.) If your option is between -10% ehp and speed when switching between amarr assault to logi, but then gaining +2 equipment, then it seems pretty favorable for the logi. But if you also lose a sidearm, it makes it significantly less potent. Also, I don't know if its your job to be 'protecting' your uplinks/equipment you drop as a logi. To some extent in prepared 1v1s yes. But more than likely, unless you are running at least a scan, and you have backup hives, you're left with just one other equipment slot for now and still open up to stealthy scout flanks.