DUST Search - [Idea] Daily SP Bonus revamp

Seymour KrelbornX wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Discussed this idea with some of the other candidates and it was fairly well received, decided to bring this to the rest of the community to hear some input.

While the daily SP bonus is fine on it's own, I think there are some ways we can change it up to address some pressure points.

The current system requires you to log-on to your character to receive the additional SP. This does not give incentive to playing the game, just logging in to collect your little bonus. It's a Skinner's box, if anything.

If you -don't- log in, the effects are rather punishing in that it resets your progress back to zero. A loss of 10,500 SP a week.

So while the effects aren't exactly enormous, it is rather irritating to have to raise your chain back up.

The proposal:

Change the daily log-in to only give the reward after completion of a single match per day. If a match isn't completed, the progress drops down a level instead of resetting to the beginning. This gives incentive for people to actually play the game and may encourage them to play -more- as they're already sitting down with the controller in their hands. If they don't, it's not so big a deal as they just don't get the 500 extra SP they would have if they did.

Discuss.

I honestly don't see this changing much... if we have to force people who don't really want to play just to get 6k sp... the issue should be more focused on why we need to force people to play to begin with.

furthermore I see this just making the most obstinate of us rubber band afking a match to get their paltry reward....

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Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6190	Posted - 2014.07.09 06:39:00 - [1] - Quote Discussed this idea with some of the other candidates and it was fairly well received, decided to bring this to the rest of the community to hear some input. While the daily SP bonus is fine on it's own, I think there are some ways we can change it up to address some pressure points. The current system requires you to log-on to your character to receive the additional SP. This does not give incentive to playing the game, just logging in to collect your little bonus. It's a Skinner's box, if anything. If you -don't- log in, the effects are rather punishing in that it resets your progress back to zero. A loss of 10,500 SP a week. So while the effects aren't exactly enormous, it is rather irritating to have to raise your chain back up. The proposal: Change the daily log-in to only give the reward after completion of a single match per day. If a match isn't completed, the progress drops down a level instead of resetting to the beginning. This gives incentive for people to actually play the game and may encourage them to play -more- as they're already sitting down with the controller in their hands. If they don't, it's not so big a deal as they just don't get the 500 extra SP they would have if they did. Discuss. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2241	Posted - 2014.07.09 06:42:00 - [2] - Quote So essentially you're upping the requirement by making players play at least 1 match, but lowering the penalty to the loss of 1 level instead of all levels if you fail to play your match for the day. Pretty solid idea, I'm always up for encouraging players to play more, but not killing their entire bonus if life happens to get in the way for a day. Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1566	Posted - 2014.07.09 06:43:00 - [3] - Quote Not a fan of it. I on occasion cannot access my ps3 for a day, and would hate to lose my 267 days active. Mind you, this is my ocd talking. Delt for CPM1 Moss-delt on skype
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2876	Posted - 2014.07.09 06:46:00 - [4] - Quote I'm in favor. I admit to days where I never get into a match because I have other things going on, and hey, i got my bonus. Really shouldn't be rewarding that. And it's not like an ambush match takes very long, it's more than justifiable to actually ask people to play a wee bit for their SP. Mossellia Delt wrote: I on occasion cannot access my ps3 for a day, and would hate to lose my 267 days active. Mind you, this is my ocd talking. I have no sympathy. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 670	Posted - 2014.07.09 06:48:00 - [5] - Quote I talked about this in General a couple of weeks ago, and it basically came down to this. There is a SP multiplier that increases in increments of .50 and caps at 6. The SP multiplier only affects SP gained from time in battle rather than WP from battle(closes disparity between vets and noobs). The SP Multiplier only affects your first completed match So basically: 1st day- 3.0 SP Multiplier 2nd- 3.5 3rd- 4.0 etc "Your forefathers fought for the Empress, it is your choice to follow them or not." Captain Dante to "Forever".
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6190	Posted - 2014.07.09 06:48:00 - [6] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Not a fan of it. I on occasion cannot access my ps3 for a day, and would hate to lose my 267 days active. Mind you, this is my ocd talking. I don't think it's much to ask to have someone play a 10-minute Ambush match as opposed to starting up the PS3 and spending two minutes logging in but I understand fully where you're coming from. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2241	Posted - 2014.07.09 07:05:00 - [7] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Not a fan of it. I on occasion cannot access my ps3 for a day, and would hate to lose my 267 days active. Mind you, this is my ocd talking. You would lose your progress under the current system as well, unless you have some means to log into your account and get the bonus without using a PS3? Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1566	Posted - 2014.07.09 07:09:00 - [8] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Not a fan of it. I on occasion cannot access my ps3 for a day, and would hate to lose my 267 days active. Mind you, this is my ocd talking. You would lose your progress under the current system as well, unless you have some means to log into your account and get the bonus without using a PS3? House mate who has zero interest in video games will do it for me in exchange to doing his dishes. Like I stated, this is a rare event, like, a wedding. Delt for CPM1 Moss-delt on skype
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2241	Posted - 2014.07.09 08:10:00 - [9] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Not a fan of it. I on occasion cannot access my ps3 for a day, and would hate to lose my 267 days active. Mind you, this is my ocd talking. You would lose your progress under the current system as well, unless you have some means to log into your account and get the bonus without using a PS3? House mate who has zero interest in video games will do it for me in exchange to doing his dishes. Like I stated, this is a rare event, like, a wedding. Does that actually count as 267 days of being 'active' Like my ideas? Pokey Dravon for CPM1
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2578	Posted - 2014.07.10 16:25:00 - [10] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: So essentially you're upping the requirement by making players play at least 1 match, but lowering the penalty to the loss of 1 level instead of all levels if you fail to play your match for the day. Pretty solid idea, I'm always up for encouraging players to play more, but not killing their entire bonus if life happens to get in the way for a day. ^This There are times when I simply can't get on that day, but when I can get on I actually play. The ability to not lose the whole bonus because I have to work late or whatever on a given day would be nice. That being said I am, as ever, open to other input about the concept. 0.02 ISK Cross Vote Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate

Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 71	Posted - 2014.07.10 17:36:00 - [11] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Not a fan of it. I on occasion cannot access my ps3 for a day, and would hate to lose my 267 days active. Mind you, this is my ocd talking. This. Ithink it should increase by 1k sp every day instead of it being 6k after 7 days. Im on day 72
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6222	Posted - 2014.07.10 18:12:00 - [12] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Not a fan of it. I on occasion cannot access my ps3 for a day, and would hate to lose my 267 days active. Mind you, this is my ocd talking. You would lose your progress under the current system as well, unless you have some means to log into your account and get the bonus without using a PS3? House mate who has zero interest in video games will do it for me in exchange to doing his dishes. Like I stated, this is a rare event, like, a wedding. Does that actually count as 267 days of being 'active' Pretty much hit the nail on the head, IMO. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14560	Posted - 2014.07.10 18:38:00 - [13] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Not a fan of it. I on occasion cannot access my ps3 for a day, and would hate to lose my 267 days active. Mind you, this is my ocd talking. You would lose your progress under the current system as well, unless you have some means to log into your account and get the bonus without using a PS3? House mate who has zero interest in video games will do it for me in exchange to doing his dishes. Like I stated, this is a rare event, like, a wedding. Does that actually count as 267 days of being 'active' Pretty much hit the nail on the head, IMO. What's to stop someone from just AFKing for that one match? Seems like adding a layer of complexity for complexities sake. The Future
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6224	Posted - 2014.07.10 18:48:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Seems like adding a layer of complexity for complexities sake. So someone AFKing through a match instead of just logging in to collect payouts from Skinner's box and not playing is... Preferable? /grabs rubber band and straps it to his controller - continues browsing forums. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2412	Posted - 2014.07.10 18:51:00 - [15] - Quote Have sense, i would not QQ about this feature PSN: ogamega I'm not a chef, i'm just a man who likes to cook.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14560	Posted - 2014.07.10 18:53:00 - [16] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Seems like adding a layer of complexity for complexities sake. So someone AFKing through a match instead of just logging in to collect payouts from Skinner's box and not playing is... Preferable? /grabs rubber band and straps it to his controller - continues browsing forums. Someone logging in and leaving doesn't harm anyone. Someone logging in and AFKing harms the match by putting them down one player. The first effects no one, the second lowers the quality of gameplay. Since it's abundantly clear that CCP has no idea how to address AFKing, and given the state of things, will not do so anytime soon, changing this mechanic is pretty much just pointless. The Future
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 439	Posted - 2014.07.10 21:12:00 - [17] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Discussed this idea with some of the other candidates and it was fairly well received, decided to bring this to the rest of the community to hear some input. While the daily SP bonus is fine on it's own, I think there are some ways we can change it up to address some pressure points. The current system requires you to log-on to your character to receive the additional SP. This does not give incentive to playing the game, just logging in to collect your little bonus. It's a Skinner's box, if anything. If you -don't- log in, the effects are rather punishing in that it resets your progress back to zero. A loss of 10,500 SP a week. So while the effects aren't exactly enormous, it is rather irritating to have to raise your chain back up. The proposal: Change the daily log-in to only give the reward after completion of a single match per day. If a match isn't completed, the progress drops down a level instead of resetting to the beginning. This gives incentive for people to actually play the game and may encourage them to play -more- as they're already sitting down with the controller in their hands. If they don't, it's not so big a deal as they just don't get the 500 extra SP they would have if they did. Discuss. I honestly don't see this changing much... if we have to force people who don't really want to play just to get 6k sp... the issue should be more focused on why we need to force people to play to begin with. furthermore I see this just making the most obstinate of us rubber band afking a match to get their paltry reward....
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6235	Posted - 2014.07.10 23:07:00 - [18] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Discussed this idea with some of the other candidates and it was fairly well received, decided to bring this to the rest of the community to hear some input. While the daily SP bonus is fine on it's own, I think there are some ways we can change it up to address some pressure points. The current system requires you to log-on to your character to receive the additional SP. This does not give incentive to playing the game, just logging in to collect your little bonus. It's a Skinner's box, if anything. If you -don't- log in, the effects are rather punishing in that it resets your progress back to zero. A loss of 10,500 SP a week. So while the effects aren't exactly enormous, it is rather irritating to have to raise your chain back up. The proposal: Change the daily log-in to only give the reward after completion of a single match per day. If a match isn't completed, the progress drops down a level instead of resetting to the beginning. This gives incentive for people to actually play the game and may encourage them to play -more- as they're already sitting down with the controller in their hands. If they don't, it's not so big a deal as they just don't get the 500 extra SP they would have if they did. Discuss. I honestly don't see this changing much... if we have to force people who don't really want to play just to get 6k sp... the issue should be more focused on why we need to force people to play to begin with. furthermore I see this just making the most obstinate of us rubber band afking a match to get their paltry reward.... Fair point. Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1


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