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Vladimir Scovachek Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.07.06 21:47:00 - [1] - Quote It's so funny how one P2W person kills my whole team by himself without losing any of his armor. That is just bull crap. Why do the low quality players have to suffer?
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 153	Posted - 2014.07.06 21:51:00 - [2] - Quote Because they are crap. Service with a smile
jenza aranda BetaMax. 3336	Posted - 2014.07.06 21:52:00 - [3] - Quote P2W is a very old subject in dust and I still maintain its not P2W, (not that i am disagreeing with you that the game needs to be fixed) Pay to win means to get a definitive advantage over non paying players in game, items a non paying player can't get. Every Aurum item just allows you to access better gear sooner but holds no actual advantage in terms of stats. All you need to do is save up your SP a little longer and you have them. Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Yokal Bob Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 517	Posted - 2014.07.06 21:53:00 - [4] - Quote yeah pay to win in standard grade or less bpo's well done mate If its not anime, its not real
Echoist Dogs of War Gaming 293	Posted - 2014.07.06 21:59:00 - [5] - Quote He's just mad that he can't aim, I suggest something with a large ammo clip or... Maybe a repair tool? Could always use more logis lol. Dropship Gunner STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle. Owner of a "Insta Bacon Machine" called STINGY
Vladimir Scovachek Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.07.06 22:06:00 - [6] - Quote Echoist wrote: He's just mad that he can't aim, I suggest something with a large ammo clip or... Maybe a repair tool? Could always use more logis lol. I'm mad? But you decided to make a comment. So obviously the only one mad is you.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4181	Posted - 2014.07.06 22:28:00 - [7] - Quote The only P2W item are Boosters, which allow you to advance at a higher rate than somebody that never bought anything, and as we all know; Better Gear, Better Base Stats = Win. The use of Aurum weapons mean that either the player won them, bought them because they don't have enough skills, wanted to be more ISK efficient, or were saps for CCP's appropriately thin marketing campaign. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Eko Sol Strange Playings 519	Posted - 2014.07.06 22:33:00 - [8] - Quote In Dust's case I have a serious issue with the debate for P2W. 1st, the best uplink in the game is AUR if you don't go into the LP store. Even if you only get 5 spawns just be a advanced A-Logi and you get 11. 2nd, There are TONS of BPO's that give people huge advantages. Running BPO's saves isk for the times you want Proto. No new player has this advantage. 3rd, If you are like me and make a good living then you buy tons of omega's every time you can. Then use them on events. Hence why I have only played since like November and have almost 30 mil SP. Tell me that is truly not an advantage? 4th, Being able to purchase an item above your current SP is a way of paying to win. You get more PG/CPU thus more HP and, typically, do more damage. The advantage is small but for experienced and skilled FPS players it is gigantic. This game may not be P2W in the traditional sense but in some ways it is definitely P2W on the lower part of the spectrum. There is no debate on the matter. The facts are facts. PSN is "Ekopalm" Playing: Murdered Soul Suspect WIP: Child of Light, MGS5 Welcome to play with me anytime, message me.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3031	Posted - 2014.07.06 22:53:00 - [9] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: In Dust's case I have a serious issue with the debate for P2W. 1st, the best uplink in the game is AUR if you don't go into the LP store. Even if you only get 5 spawns just be a advanced A-Logi and you get 11. LP store is free is it not, does that not solve the issue? The whole point of the LP store is to get 'AUR-Named' items with paying for them. 2nd, There are TONS of BPO's that give people huge advantages. Running BPO's saves isk for the times you want Proto. No new player has this advantage. BPO's only apply to standard gear, which is only marginally (as in just barely) better than mlt. New players have access to 3 unlimited fits, for the entire duration of the game,, without paying a dime. 3rd, If you are like me and make a good living then you buy tons of omega's every time you can. Then use them on events. Hence why I have only played since like November and have almost 30 mil SP. Tell me that is truly not an advantage? You can have 300mil SP, but as I'm sure you are aware SP only gets you so far, just because you have more SP does not make you any more likely to beat me in my mlt amarr suit 4th, Being able to purchase an item above your current SP is a way of paying to win. You get more PG/CPU thus more HP and, typically, do more damage. The advantage is small but for experienced and skilled FPS players it is gigantic. If we had a matchmaking system that put AUR proto gear with traditional advanced gear, then yesmthat would undoubtedly be a pay to win feature, but considering we have NO matchmaking, no its not. This game may not be P2W in the traditional sense but in some ways it is definitely P2W on the lower part of the spectrum. There is no debate on the matter. The facts are facts. There is plenty of debate over the matter, the fact fact that you have to, give arguements to prove your point, shows this. The fact this, thread even exsists shows it is very much up for debate. OP, unfortunately just because he is in AUR gear is not the reason he beat you. The reason he beat you is because, he beat you. Chances are he was in proto variant gear in which case, it wouldn't matter if he was AUR or not he would still have clobbered you all the same. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 634	Posted - 2014.07.06 22:54:00 - [10] - Quote i remember when the killswitch gek was p2w in chromosome and the fused contact grenades in the beginning of uprising.

Eko Sol Strange Playings 520	Posted - 2014.07.06 22:57:00 - [11] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Eko Sol wrote: In Dust's case I have a serious issue with the debate for P2W. 1st, the best uplink in the game is AUR if you don't go into the LP store. Even if you only get 5 spawns just be a advanced A-Logi and you get 11. LP store is free is it not, does that not solve the issue? The whole point of the LP store is to get 'AUR-Named' items with paying for them. 2nd, There are TONS of BPO's that give people huge advantages. Running BPO's saves isk for the times you want Proto. No new player has this advantage. BPO's only apply to standard gear, which is only marginally (as in just barely) better than mlt. New players have access to 3 unlimited fits, for the entire duration of the game,, without paying a dime. 3rd, If you are like me and make a good living then you buy tons of omega's every time you can. Then use them on events. Hence why I have only played since like November and have almost 30 mil SP. Tell me that is truly not an advantage? You can have 300mil SP, but as I'm sure you are aware SP only gets you so far, just because you have more SP does not make you any more likely to beat me in my mlt amarr suit 4th, Being able to purchase an item above your current SP is a way of paying to win. You get more PG/CPU thus more HP and, typically, do more damage. The advantage is small but for experienced and skilled FPS players it is gigantic. If we had a matchmaking system that put AUR proto gear with traditional advanced gear, then yesmthat would undoubtedly be a pay to win feature, but considering we have NO matchmaking, no its not. This game may not be P2W in the traditional sense but in some ways it is definitely P2W on the lower part of the spectrum. There is no debate on the matter. The facts are facts. There is plenty of debate over the matter, the fact fact that you have to, give arguements to prove your point, shows this. The fact this, thread even exsists shows it is very much up for debate. OP, unfortunately just because he is in AUR gear is not the reason he beat you. The reason he beat you is because, he beat you. Chances are he was in proto variant gear in which case, it wouldn't matter if he was AUR or not he would still have clobbered you all the same. I wasn't giving facts to prove an argument I was just stating that you can pay to get something better than those that don't pay hence it is P2W. Your rebuttles are terrible. They still prove me to be correct. Someone brand new without doing anything but buying AUR and AUR items can have an advantage over someone else that is brand new that can't afford it. PSN is "Ekopalm" Playing: Murdered Soul Suspect WIP: Child of Light, MGS5 Welcome to play with me anytime, message me.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3031	Posted - 2014.07.06 22:58:00 - [12] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: i remember when the killswitch gek was p2w in chromosome and the fused contact grenades in the beginning of uprising. Contacts were most definitely pay to win at the time, but they are kinda useless now. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Vicious Minotaur 1059	Posted - 2014.07.06 23:01:00 - [13] - Quote This game IS fixed, though... It is fixed in the manner by which, say, boxing matches are fixed. I am a minotaur.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3031	Posted - 2014.07.06 23:12:00 - [14] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Eko Sol wrote: In Dust's case I have a serious issue with the debate for P2W. 1st, the best uplink in the game is AUR if you don't go into the LP store. Even if you only get 5 spawns just be a advanced A-Logi and you get 11. LP store is free is it not, does that not solve the issue? The whole point of the LP store is to get 'AUR-Named' items with paying for them. 2nd, There are TONS of BPO's that give people huge advantages. Running BPO's saves isk for the times you want Proto. No new player has this advantage. BPO's only apply to standard gear, which is only marginally (as in just barely) better than mlt. New players have access to 3 unlimited fits, for the entire duration of the game,, without paying a dime. 3rd, If you are like me and make a good living then you buy tons of omega's every time you can. Then use them on events. Hence why I have only played since like November and have almost 30 mil SP. Tell me that is truly not an advantage? You can have 300mil SP, but as I'm sure you are aware SP only gets you so far, just because you have more SP does not make you any more likely to beat me in my mlt amarr suit 4th, Being able to purchase an item above your current SP is a way of paying to win. You get more PG/CPU thus more HP and, typically, do more damage. The advantage is small but for experienced and skilled FPS players it is gigantic. If we had a matchmaking system that put AUR proto gear with traditional advanced gear, then yesmthat would undoubtedly be a pay to win feature, but considering we have NO matchmaking, no its not. This game may not be P2W in the traditional sense but in some ways it is definitely P2W on the lower part of the spectrum. There is no debate on the matter. The facts are facts. There is plenty of debate over the matter, the fact fact that you have to, give arguements to prove your point, shows this. The fact this, thread even exsists shows it is very much up for debate. OP, unfortunately just because he is in AUR gear is not the reason he beat you. The reason he beat you is because, he beat you. Chances are he was in proto variant gear in which case, it wouldn't matter if he was AUR or not he would still have clobbered you all the same. I wasn't giving facts to prove an argument I was just stating that you can pay to get something better than those that don't pay hence it is P2W. Your rebuttles are terrible. They still prove me to be correct. Someone brand new without doing anything but buying AUR and AUR items can have an advantage over someone else that is brand new that can't afford it. So you completly actually ignore the arguements then? I'll say again, BPO's give pretty minimal improvements, litterally the difference is PG/CPU usage. If I paid 30 quid for a BPO I'd be damn dissapointed. You still seem to competly ignore that actual skill trumps SP everytime. Being able to pay for suits over your current SP if anything gives you a disadvantage. Since you don't recieve the bonuses and passive boosts. An AUR Proto at Advanced SP is worse off then a Proto at Proto SP. The only thing you can actually pertain to argue is the boosters, but once you get past about 5 mill SP you can have all the important upgrades in Dropsuit Upgrades, so we are once again on pretty even ground. More SP just means you can be more wasteful, it gives you more choice but the end result can still be the same. You do not get enough of an advantage for it to be P2W, for an example of PSW I would refer you to ES online, you can pay with real money for gear that is blantantly overpowered, that is P2W, since the advantage you recieve is enough to make victory assured. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Eko Sol Strange Playings 520	Posted - 2014.07.06 23:29:00 - [15] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Eko Sol wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Eko Sol wrote: In Dust's case I have a serious issue with the debate for P2W. 1st, the best uplink in the game is AUR if you don't go into the LP store. Even if you only get 5 spawns just be a advanced A-Logi and you get 11. LP store is free is it not, does that not solve the issue? The whole point of the LP store is to get 'AUR-Named' items with paying for them. 2nd, There are TONS of BPO's that give people huge advantages. Running BPO's saves isk for the times you want Proto. No new player has this advantage. BPO's only apply to standard gear, which is only marginally (as in just barely) better than mlt. New players have access to 3 unlimited fits, for the entire duration of the game,, without paying a dime. 3rd, If you are like me and make a good living then you buy tons of omega's every time you can. Then use them on events. Hence why I have only played since like November and have almost 30 mil SP. Tell me that is truly not an advantage? You can have 300mil SP, but as I'm sure you are aware SP only gets you so far, just because you have more SP does not make you any more likely to beat me in my mlt amarr suit 4th, Being able to purchase an item above your current SP is a way of paying to win. You get more PG/CPU thus more HP and, typically, do more damage. The advantage is small but for experienced and skilled FPS players it is gigantic. If we had a matchmaking system that put AUR proto gear with traditional advanced gear, then yesmthat would undoubtedly be a pay to win feature, but considering we have NO matchmaking, no its not. This game may not be P2W in the traditional sense but in some ways it is definitely P2W on the lower part of the spectrum. There is no debate on the matter. The facts are facts. There is plenty of debate over the matter, the fact fact that you have to, give arguements to prove your point, shows this. The fact this, thread even exsists shows it is very much up for debate. OP, unfortunately just because he is in AUR gear is not the reason he beat you. The reason he beat you is because, he beat you. Chances are he was in proto variant gear in which case, it wouldn't matter if he was AUR or not he would still have clobbered you all the same. I wasn't giving facts to prove an argument I was just stating that you can pay to get something better than those that don't pay hence it is P2W. Your rebuttles are terrible. They still prove me to be correct. Someone brand new without doing anything but buying AUR and AUR items can have an advantage over someone else that is brand new that can't afford it. So you completly actually ignore the arguements then? I'll say again, BPO's give pretty minimal improvements, litterally the difference is PG/CPU usage. If I paid 30 quid for a BPO I'd be damn dissapointed. You still seem to competly ignore that actual skill trumps SP everytime. Being able to pay for suits over your current SP if anything gives you a disadvantage. Since you don't recieve the bonuses and passive boosts. An AUR Proto at Advanced SP is worse off then a Proto at Proto SP. The only thing you can actually pertain to argue is the boosters, but once you get past about 5 mill SP you can have all the important upgrades in Dropsuit Upgrades, so we are once again on pretty even ground. More SP just means you can be more wasteful, it gives you more choice but the end result can still be the same. You do not get enough of an advantage for it to be P2W, for an example of PSW I would refer you to ES online, you can pay with real money for gear that is blantantly overpowered, that is P2W, since the advantage you recieve is enough to make victory assured. Yes I am ignoring your idiotic "arguments". 32 brand new players started the game and 16 happened to be in the same side of the match all with 40k AUR and the other 16 on the other side that do not have any AUR. Take that, and then tell me that the side with the AUR has no advantage. Assume every player has equal skill in FPS's, use default settings, and never played or watch the game played before. The fact is that the AUR side will have the advantage. Period. As long as you can gain ANY advantage using real world money over ANY player that also plays automatically makes this a low spectrum P2W operation. Your arguments don't mean squat. I don't care that someone buys aurum and is still at a disadvantage over vets. That doesn't' mean you don't get an advantage when buying aur over other new players that cannot. Until you can prove that there is ZERO P2W in the game you will have ZERO validity in your "argument". It is P2W. Get over it. I'm done mentoring you padawan. You are own your own now and must find your own path within the force. I'll now place you in on Alderaan a bit before the major catastrophe. Wait, wrong universe right? PSN is "Ekopalm" Playing: Murdered Soul Suspect WIP: Child of Light, MGS5 Welcome to play with me anytime, message me.
Echoist Dogs of War Gaming 294	Posted - 2014.07.07 00:17:00 - [16] - Quote Vladimir Scovachek wrote: Echoist wrote: He's just mad that he can't aim, I suggest something with a large ammo clip or... Maybe a repair tool? Could always use more logis lol. I'm mad? But you decided to make a comment. So obviously the only one mad is you. sigh here we go... I decided to make a comment because I'm a smart ass, cause I was bored and just surfing the internet. Why would I be mad? I don't even take this game or the developers seriously, lol. Besides I wasn't the one who posted about it's "bs" that one player can take out four or however many (i forgot and I'm not really interested enough to look) other players. Oh, and from what I've seen Aur gear gives no actual combat benefit over regular gear. So to those who actually believe that Aur gear gives you some kind of combat prowess over others that just means they're looking for something to blame other than themselves for being incapable of staying on target. P.S. don't expect a reply because it's obvious that you'll just turn this forum post into a ranty and unneccessary "argument", have a nice day and remember that weird symbol in the middle of the screen is where you're aiming lol. Dropship Gunner STINGY: Yes I did nickname my laser rifle. Owner of a "Insta Bacon Machine" called STINGY
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 420	Posted - 2014.07.07 00:45:00 - [17] - Quote I have not once thought this game was P2W, been here since open beta, never spent a dime, I do just as good or even better than these P2W, anyway you don't need to be P2W in order to stomp, he probably had a proto suit, and since his armor didn't go down, he probably had a Logi. If you go to other FTPMMO games, you will trully see what P2W means. To the other people commenting above me, are you really fighting over this? Only thing in this game worth a damn is boosters, all they do is give you a quick boost, its not like they make you any better, a scrub in a proto suit is only a scrub with more HP. Also the thing with BPO's, and aurum gear, giving them lots of money, doesn't really matter, if you are even half decent you should be able to turn an isk profit in this game, money management and what not. Also we have the frontline suit, and the other 2, switch out the primary, and boom its a suit that cost basically 100 isk fully desposable, you can die 100 times a match and still turn a profit.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 3595	Posted - 2014.07.07 01:08:00 - [18] - Quote My crappy KDR is living proof of it not being P2W . Other players have said it better above, but just take any BF or CoD game, you have to grind and grind to unlock the best weapons plus superior weapons in DLC. DUST needs the same dedication and actually allows you to choose your own progression instead of following the preset unlocks. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10701	Posted - 2014.07.07 01:14:00 - [19] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: My crappy KDR is living proof of it not being P2W . Other players have said it better above, but just take any BF or CoD game, you have to grind and grind to unlock the best weapons plus superior weapons in DLC. DUST needs the same dedication and actually allows you to choose your own progression instead of following the preset unlocks. The AK5C is probably the best carbine in BF4 and it's your first unlock :\| Pretty much all the rifles are side upgrades. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
axINVICTUSxa DETHDEALERS RISE of LEGION 168	Posted - 2014.07.07 01:17:00 - [20] - Quote Vladimir Scovachek wrote: It's so funny how one P2W person kills my whole team by himself without losing any of his armor. That is just bull crap. Why do the low quality players have to suffer? (TL: Lets go comrade) Davai Tovarisch, not much we can do about it except to fight on. If you need tips help or want to squad up message me ingame. Wherever the Wind (Aero) might take me, may it ever be True, for the way of the Commando is noble and right.

ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1384	Posted - 2014.07.07 01:19:00 - [21] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: P2W is a very old subject in dust and I still maintain its not P2W, (not that i am disagreeing with you that the game needs to be fixed) Pay to win means to get a definitive advantage over non paying players in game, items a non paying player can't get. Every Aurum item just allows you to access better gear sooner but holds no actual advantage in terms of stats. All you need to do is save up your SP a little longer and you have them. Why does everyone say that you unlock the same weapon sooner? Aren't all Aurum weapons actually inferior? I mean, the passives may not matter to everyone, but, I can tell the difference when I use a Kaalakiota Tactical Sniper Rifle on my main with Lvl 5 Operation versus using a Horizon with only Lvl 3.., If you find an issue and I stumble upon your thread, I will do my darnedest to get the issue known. Also, Raptors...
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 1047	Posted - 2014.07.07 01:22:00 - [22] - Quote Vladimir Scovachek wrote: It's so funny how one P2W person kills my whole team by himself without losing any of his armor. That is just bull crap. Why do the low quality players have to suffer? Pay to win my ass. It's a lack of SP. Which equates to TIME. The longer you play the better stuff you have access to. Or you can buy aur gear that gets you a pro gear without the skills, BUT YOU STILL LACK THE SKILL. Try an gun with proficiency 5, with max level in shields in armor, plus secondary skills to PG/CPU, ect ect ect. Play to win maybe, but it damn sure ain't pay to win. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Egonz4 395	Posted - 2014.07.07 01:51:00 - [23] - Quote Vladimir Scovachek wrote: It's so funny how one P2W person kills my whole team by himself without losing any of his armor. That is just bull crap. Why do the low quality players have to suffer? I know!...plus the op murder taxis, and that op flaylock and ion pistol....omg! Good troll Master of The Flaylock
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11666	Posted - 2014.07.07 01:52:00 - [24] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: jenza aranda wrote: P2W is a very old subject in dust and I still maintain its not P2W, (not that i am disagreeing with you that the game needs to be fixed) Pay to win means to get a definitive advantage over non paying players in game, items a non paying player can't get. Every Aurum item just allows you to access better gear sooner but holds no actual advantage in terms of stats. All you need to do is save up your SP a little longer and you have them. Why does everyone say that you unlock the same weapon sooner? Aren't all Aurum weapons actually inferior? I mean, the passives may not matter to everyone, but, I can tell the difference when I use a Kaalakiota Tactical Sniper Rifle on my main with Lvl 5 Operation versus using a Horizon with only Lvl 3.., No.....but the lack of supporting skills is definitely a part of that feeling. Aurum gear allows a player with lower skill levels to advance to prototype gear. For example the "Bloodgrail Viziam Scrambler Rifle" only requires ScR Op III instead of the traditional ScR OP V. It's stats are exactly the same for all intensive purposes. However you loose out on the benefits of the skill levels you are missing. I think directly attributes to your perception that Aurum gear is less efficient. "So you came back......My son, my Udorian son.....bearing the filthy blood of his heathen mother." - Eaderan Ouryon
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5579	Posted - 2014.07.07 02:15:00 - [25] - Quote I wouldn't call dust P2W, as anything you get with AUR is functionally the same as ISK gear. In reality, it wouldn't make any difference if you were killed by someone with proto ISK gear or proto AUR gear. pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Eko Sol Strange Playings 522	Posted - 2014.07.07 04:24:00 - [26] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I wouldn't call dust P2W, as anything you get with AUR is functionally the same as ISK gear. In reality, it wouldn't make any difference if you were killed by someone with proto ISK gear or proto AUR gear. Urban Dictionary states that "pay to win" is defines as: Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying. 1) I know that Urban Dictionary doesn't count but until someone provides a better source you are screwed. 2) 2 new players start the game, one uses AUR for better gear and boosters, the other can't. The 1st one has paid for an advantage that the other cannot have at that time. THe fact that, at some point, someone will have the same skill, sp, isk, gear, etc. as an AUR doesn't change the fact that AT SOME POINT DURING THE GAME PLAYING PROCESS 2 new players will have different access to different "stuff" in which the one with AUR will have an advantage over anyone that does or cannot have AUR. This game lets you buy better gear and items than everyone else at a faster rate. So using AUR you can buy better gear before another player may be able to using normal grinding methods. Show me a better source for the definition and I will accept defeat. Until then live in your illusion. CCP Ratatti, I bet you never spent a real dime on AUR and if you did you got scammed out of a paycheck. I really mean that. Even in restaurants you get a free dinner and sometimes 2 meals for long shifts. PSN is "Ekopalm" Playing: Murdered Soul Suspect WIP: Child of Light, MGS5 Welcome to play with me anytime, message me.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 4485	Posted - 2014.07.07 04:27:00 - [27] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: In Dust's case I have a serious issue with the debate for P2W. 1st, the best uplink in the game is AUR if you don't go into the LP store. Even if you only get 5 spawns just be a advanced A-Logi and you get 11. 2nd, There are TONS of BPO's that give people huge advantages. Running BPO's saves isk for the times you want Proto. No new player has this advantage. 3rd, If you are like me and make a good living then you buy tons of omega's every time you can. Then use them on events. Hence why I have only played since like November and have almost 30 mil SP. Tell me that is truly not an advantage? 4th, Being able to purchase an item above your current SP is a way of paying to win. You get more PG/CPU thus more HP and, typically, do more damage. The advantage is small but for experienced and skilled FPS players it is gigantic. This game may not be P2W in the traditional sense but in some ways it is definitely P2W on the lower part of the spectrum. There is no debate on the matter. The facts are facts. All players have free suits they can use Earn 500Mil ISK Gentlemen's Club "No poors allowed" Chat Channel: Vik PC

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 3614	Posted - 2014.07.07 04:38:00 - [28] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I wouldn't call dust P2W, as anything you get with AUR is functionally the same as ISK gear. In reality, it wouldn't make any difference if you were killed by someone with proto ISK gear or proto AUR gear. Urban Dictionary states that "pay to win" is defines as: Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying. 1) I know that Urban Dictionary doesn't count but until someone provides a better source you are screwed. 2) 2 new players start the game, one uses AUR for better gear and boosters, the other can't. The 1st one has paid for an advantage that the other cannot have at that time. THe fact that, at some point, someone will have the same skill, sp, isk, gear, etc. as an AUR doesn't change the fact that AT SOME POINT DURING THE GAME PLAYING PROCESS 2 new players will have different access to different "stuff" in which the one with AUR will have an advantage over anyone that does or cannot have AUR. This game lets you buy better gear and items than everyone else at a faster rate. So using AUR you can buy better gear before another player may be able to using normal grinding methods. Show me a better source for the definition and I will accept defeat. Until then live in your illusion. CCP Ratatti, I bet you never spent a real dime on AUR and if you did you got scammed out of a paycheck. I really mean that. Even in restaurants you get a free dinner and sometimes 2 meals for long shifts. You just lost a bet. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1657	Posted - 2014.07.07 04:46:00 - [29] - Quote Dust has no Pay to win. All equipment has their ISk/FW variant. everything is obtainable, easily with isk. Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
Eko Sol Strange Playings 522	Posted - 2014.07.07 04:57:00 - [30] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Eko Sol wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: I wouldn't call dust P2W, as anything you get with AUR is functionally the same as ISK gear. In reality, it wouldn't make any difference if you were killed by someone with proto ISK gear or proto AUR gear. Urban Dictionary states that "pay to win" is defines as: Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying. 1) I know that Urban Dictionary doesn't count but until someone provides a better source you are screwed. 2) 2 new players start the game, one uses AUR for better gear and boosters, the other can't. The 1st one has paid for an advantage that the other cannot have at that time. THe fact that, at some point, someone will have the same skill, sp, isk, gear, etc. as an AUR doesn't change the fact that AT SOME POINT DURING THE GAME PLAYING PROCESS 2 new players will have different access to different "stuff" in which the one with AUR will have an advantage over anyone that does or cannot have AUR. This game lets you buy better gear and items than everyone else at a faster rate. So using AUR you can buy better gear before another player may be able to using normal grinding methods. Show me a better source for the definition and I will accept defeat. Until then live in your illusion. CCP Ratatti, I bet you never spent a real dime on AUR and if you did you got scammed out of a paycheck. I really mean that. Even in restaurants you get a free dinner and sometimes 2 meals for long shifts. You just lost a bet. HAHA, I wasn't being mean. I really didn't think you would even be allowed to spend AUR. GG, you win. PSN is "Ekopalm" Playing: Murdered Soul Suspect WIP: Child of Light, MGS5 Welcome to play with me anytime, message me.



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