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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.07.03 21:34:00 -
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1. Enter a PVE match
2. Plug in Booster and activate
3. Everyone but you gets additional salvage quality/storage/harvest speed ect ect.
thoughts? ideas? suggestions? restrictions?
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.03 21:42:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. Enter a PVE match
2. Plug in Booster and activate
3. Everyone but you gets additional salvage quality/storage/harvest speed ect ect.
thoughts? ideas? suggestions? restrictions?
No one, absolutely no one, in this community is that altruistic
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
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Posted - 2014.07.03 21:44:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. Enter a PVE match
2. Plug in Booster and activate
3. Everyone but you gets additional salvage quality/storage/harvest speed ect ect.
thoughts? ideas? suggestions? restrictions? No one, absolutely no one, in this community is that altruistic
Don't be so sure.
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
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Posted - 2014.07.03 21:48:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. Enter a PVE match
2. Plug in Booster and activate
3. Everyone but you gets additional salvage quality/storage/harvest speed ect ect.
thoughts? ideas? suggestions? restrictions? No one, absolutely no one, in this community is that altruistic Don't be so sure.
If they're in a PC where it is all of their chums on either side sure, but in a pub?
I highly doubt it (except for those who would read this and do it just to make my statement false).
I think that would happen regardless of who made the statement, there would be at least a small handful looking to falsify it.
"Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
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Posted - 2014.07.03 21:51:00 -
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I would much prefer abolishing the concept of boosters altogether and CCP Z will have to do just that if he's remotely serious about
CCP Z wrote:[...] working on the fairest, none pay to win system ever seem in a free to play game.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
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Posted - 2014.07.03 21:58:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:I would much prefer abolishing the concept of boosters altogether and CCP Z will have to do just that if he's remotely serious aboutCCP Z wrote:[...] working on the fairest, none pay to win system ever seem in a free to play game.
I wouldn't completly abolish them. I would however ask for the removal of paying for SP boosters.
In EVE boosters can help alot and can be purchased with ISK on the player market or LP from the loyalty store. Some boosters and implants are illegal but others arn't.
More Reading on Boosters
More Reading on Implants
As for the OP. I like the idea, however i think it would be more of a squad/platoon bonus than it would be a booster.
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
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Posted - 2014.07.03 22:02:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:I would much prefer abolishing the concept of boosters altogether and CCP Z will have to do just that if he's remotely serious aboutCCP Z wrote:[...] working on the fairest, none pay to win system ever seem in a free to play game. I wouldn't completly abolish them. I would however ask for the removal of paying for SP boosters. In EVE boosters can help alot and can be purchased with ISK on the player market or LP from the loyalty store. Some boosters and implants are illegal but others arn't. More Reading on BoostersMore Reading on ImplantsAs for the OP. I like the idea, however i think it would be more of a squad/platoon bonus than it would be a booster. Sure. I was strictly referring to AUR based boosters as part of the revenue stream +á la Dust. If IWS is talking ISK/LP boosters then have at it.
This in the form of a module would be a perfect fit for the hopefully upcoming commander class btw.
ORE commander suits anyone?
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.07.03 22:12:00 -
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Well with market you can resell boosters for isk hopefully.
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Jonny D Buelle
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Posted - 2014.07.03 22:27:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well with market you can resell boosters for isk hopefully.
If the market works anything like the one in EVE, then yes you should be able to sell unused boosters. It's how most people make their ISK doing missions and FW. They earn LP and use it to buy boosters and implants to sell on the market.
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
1466
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Posted - 2014.07.03 22:34:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well with market you can resell boosters for isk hopefully. Fair enough. I actually assumed as much. But under this rule set AUR gear would be fine as well since its only non-temporary function is also strictly economical by saving the ISK, analogous to gaining more ISK from additional/better loot.
Seeing as CCP Z doesn't want to bring AUR gear over to Legion:
CCP Z wrote:We will be very far away from what DUST currently is (no gear/items for AURUM, players who donGÇÖt want to spend money will still have access to all GÇ£paidGÇ¥optionsGǪ).
I'd assume that he's looking to remove any and all gameplay affecting offerings from the revenue stream.
There's also the question of how "fair" it is to expect players to regularly purchase several types of boosters for ISK to not lose the competitive edge. Including this one we'd already be at four (passive, active, preferred LP, loot) different boosters to buy in order to be on an even playing field.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.07.03 22:38:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well with market you can resell boosters for isk hopefully. Fair enough. I actually assumed as much. But under this rule set AUR gear would be fine as well since its only non-temporary function is also strictly economical by saving the ISK, analogous to gaining more ISK from additional/better loot. Seeing as CCP Z doesn't want to bring AUR gear over to Legion: CCP Z wrote:We will be very far away from what DUST currently is (no gear/items for AURUM, players who donGÇÖt want to spend money will still have access to all GÇ£paidGÇ¥optionsGǪ). I'd assume that he's looking to remove any and all gameplay affecting offerings from the revenue stream. There's also the question of how "fair" it is to expect players to regularly purchase several types of boosters for ISK to not lose the competitive edge. Including this one we'd already be at four (passive, active, preferred LP, loot) different boosters to buy in order to be on an even playing field.
Well I was thinking more of a community building thing though you know?
Throws down free loot booster and shout to the whole map
"This Loot booster was brought to you by Illegal acquisitions; join our corp today for more funzies"
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
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Posted - 2014.07.03 22:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well I was thinking more of a community building thing though you know?
Throws down free loot booster and shout to the whole map
"This Loot booster was brought to you by Illegal acquisitions; join our corp today for more funzies" I can totally understand your intentions here. But let's not fool ourselves, thinking that this won't turn into something every high tier corp will feel compelled to use as much as possible in order to maximize profits.
This booster will be used as a community building tool just as much as active boosters are used purely for their convenience (and not as a way to maximize SP gain for as many toons as possible).
This is why f2p monetization is such a difficult thing to do, especially if you define "fair" and "non-p2w" as two of your central objectives.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11558
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Posted - 2014.07.03 22:57:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. Enter a PVE match
2. Plug in Booster and activate
3. Everyone but you gets additional salvage quality/storage/harvest speed ect ect.
These types of boosters are good on a per battle basis and are only deployed in public matches so the most number that you can willingly benefit is your squad and depending on function may stack. Costs Aurum of course.
thoughts? ideas? suggestions? restrictions?
That does not seem to be in the New Eden spirit.
Why should I benefit the community in a match where there might be Minmatar loyalists?
*"I watched you. From candle to a torch you grew. I'll always remember those days with great affection." - Satja Askarin
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. Enter a PVE match
2. Plug in Booster and activate
3. Everyone but you gets additional salvage quality/storage/harvest speed ect ect.
These types of boosters are good on a per battle basis and are only deployed in public matches so the most number that you can willingly benefit is your squad and depending on function may stack. Costs Aurum of course.
thoughts? ideas? suggestions? restrictions? That does not seem to be in the New Eden spirit. Why should I benefit the community in a match where there might be Minmatar loyalists?
What if racially themed?
Golden shower booster! Increase amarr loot.
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:06:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:What if racially themed?
Golden shower booster! Increase amarr loot. There goes the PG16 rating 
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:18:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. Enter a PVE match
2. Plug in Booster and activate
3. Everyone but you gets additional salvage quality/storage/harvest speed ect ect.
These types of boosters are good on a per battle basis and are only deployed in public matches so the most number that you can willingly benefit is your squad and depending on function may stack. Costs Aurum of course.
thoughts? ideas? suggestions? restrictions? That does not seem to be in the New Eden spirit. Why should I benefit the community in a match where there might be Minmatar loyalists? What if racially themed? Golden shower booster! Increase amarr loot.
EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW this is why you aren't Amarr IWS.
But more seriously..... I just don't see it contributing to creating a gritty, capitalistic, New Eden. kindness and giving aren't exactly two core components of our universe.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:24:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. Enter a PVE match
2. Plug in Booster and activate
3. Everyone but you gets additional salvage quality/storage/harvest speed ect ect.
These types of boosters are good on a per battle basis and are only deployed in public matches so the most number that you can willingly benefit is your squad and depending on function may stack. Costs Aurum of course.
thoughts? ideas? suggestions? restrictions? That does not seem to be in the New Eden spirit. Why should I benefit the community in a match where there might be Minmatar loyalists? What if racially themed? Golden shower booster! Increase amarr loot. EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW this is why you aren't Amarr IWS. But more seriously..... I just don't see it contributing to creating a gritty, capitalistic, New Eden. kindness and giving aren't exactly two core components of our universe.
Core Component of our universe is doing things that affects other players though. Whenever good or bad.
Case in point; Player Ran Schools vs Mercenary Corp that got hired to make your day go wrong.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:40:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. Enter a PVE match
2. Plug in Booster and activate
3. Everyone but you gets additional salvage quality/storage/harvest speed ect ect.
thoughts? ideas? suggestions? restrictions? No one, absolutely no one, in this community is that altruistic Don't be so sure. If they're in a PC where it is all of their chums on either side sure, but in a pub? I highly doubt it (except for those who would read this and do it just to make my statement false). I think that would happen regardless of who made the statement, there would be at least a small handful looking to falsify it.
People do it anyways whether or not you brought it up. Right now, there are players who have Orca's or other command ships in Eve Online where they just sit near the sun or in a POS tower giving out fleet boosts for everyone doing Incursions in the system. However, since they're not on grid with the fleet, they don't get ISK or LP rewards so they depend heavily on ISK donations provided by those who are thankful for those giving the fleet boosts.
So it's going to happen regardless. It's an Eve thing to do.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. Enter a PVE match
2. Plug in Booster and activate
3. Everyone but you gets additional salvage quality/storage/harvest speed ect ect.
These types of boosters are good on a per battle basis and are only deployed in public matches so the most number that you can willingly benefit is your squad and depending on function may stack. Costs Aurum of course.
thoughts? ideas? suggestions? restrictions? That does not seem to be in the New Eden spirit. Why should I benefit the community in a match where there might be Minmatar loyalists? What if racially themed? Golden shower booster! Increase amarr loot. EEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW this is why you aren't Amarr IWS. But more seriously..... I just don't see it contributing to creating a gritty, capitalistic, New Eden. kindness and giving aren't exactly two core components of our universe. Core Component of our universe is doing things that affects other players though. Whenever good or bad. Case in point; Player Ran Schools vs Mercenary Corp that got hired to make your day go wrong.
But how do you explain how this booster works?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:1. Enter a PVE match
2. Plug in Booster and activate
3. Everyone but you gets additional salvage quality/storage/harvest speed ect ect.
These types of boosters are good on a per battle basis and are only deployed in public matches so the most number that you can willingly benefit is your squad and depending on function may stack. Costs Aurum of course.
thoughts? ideas? suggestions? restrictions? That does not seem to be in the New Eden spirit. Why should I benefit the community in a match where there might be Minmatar loyalists?
Don't under estimate the organizational capacity of the inhabitants of New Eden.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:50:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
But how do you explain how this booster works?
Simple you're giving up your booster slot to co-process other people in the local network's results boost the performance of their harvesters. This should also stack so the bonus overall should be weak-ish. Booster should be cheap to pop too considering it only lasts a single fight.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:
But how do you explain how this booster works?
Simple you're giving up your booster slot to co-process other people in the local network's results boost the performance of their harvesters. This should also stack so the bonus overall should be weak-ish. Booster should be cheap to pop too considering it only lasts a single fight.
Oh you mean like a salvage module/ mining fleet bonus for the open world salvage stuff Wolfman is talking about.
Personally I'd like it limited t squad, or platoon (YES I HOPE PLATOON SIZED STUFFS), anyone who directly linked to the squad leader in a meaningful way.
Benefiting the yield of any harvesters being operated by the group.
I think I understand what you mean.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.07.04 00:09:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:
But how do you explain how this booster works?
Simple you're giving up your booster slot to co-process other people in the local network's results boost the performance of their harvesters. This should also stack so the bonus overall should be weak-ish. Booster should be cheap to pop too considering it only lasts a single fight. Oh you mean like a salvage module/ mining fleet bonus for the open world salvage stuff Wolfman is talking about. Personally I'd like it limited t squad, or platoon (YES I HOPE PLATOON SIZED STUFFS), anyone who directly linked to the squad leader in a meaningful way. Benefiting the yield of any harvesters being operated by the group. I think I understand what you mean.
The squad only thing would be reserved for gang link modules that should be normally purchasable through the market via isk or looted via pve. I wouldn't mind those either and would lift the self not getting bonus restriction.
These Boosters are AUR original purchases
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.07.04 00:13:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:
But how do you explain how this booster works?
Simple you're giving up your booster slot to co-process other people in the local network's results boost the performance of their harvesters. This should also stack so the bonus overall should be weak-ish. Booster should be cheap to pop too considering it only lasts a single fight. Oh you mean like a salvage module/ mining fleet bonus for the open world salvage stuff Wolfman is talking about. Personally I'd like it limited t squad, or platoon (YES I HOPE PLATOON SIZED STUFFS), anyone who directly linked to the squad leader in a meaningful way. Benefiting the yield of any harvesters being operated by the group. I think I understand what you mean. The squad only thing would be reserved for gang link modules that should be normally purchasable through the market via isk or looted via pve. I wouldn't mind those either and would lift the self not getting bonus restriction. These Boosters are AUR original purchases
Personally I am against random generosity in video games..... sounds horrible I know.
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