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FLAY LOCKED
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.03 02:33:00 -
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Is this true? Assuming I have Gallente Scouts to 5 with maxed dampening and cloaks, will I be unscannable with a proto cloak on?
Will I be able to avoid a 4x complex precision enhanced Caldari Scout or a proto Gallente Logi with a Duvolle focused Scanner? |
Lea Silencio
0uter.Heaven
1546
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:31:00 -
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Excellent question...
PurificationGäó
It's what I do.
Amarr Victor
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
1022
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:36:00 -
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FLAY LOCKED wrote:Is this true? Assuming I have Gallente Scouts to 5 with maxed dampening and cloaks, will I be unscannable with a proto cloak on?
Will I be able to avoid a 4x complex precision enhanced Caldari Scout or a proto Gallente Logi with a Duvolle focused Scanner?
I don't think so. The cloak mostly takes away the visual but not so much the electronic signature.
I could be wrong, though.
Munch
Anyone who buys AUR now is a fool.
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Ghost Kaisar
The Last of DusT.
General Tso's Alliance
5702
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Posted - 2014.07.03 03:40:00 -
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Pro Gal Scout with 2x Complex Damps and a PRO cloak active will dodge ALMOST anything in the game.
It'll dodge 3x Cal Scouts for certain. Which is basically all you need to do.
That Crazy Minmatar Fanatic
Stabbing Heavies for the Republic since Uprising 1.1
PSN: EVL_Elgost105
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Auris Lionesse
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
919
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Posted - 2014.07.03 04:28:00 -
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as far as i know, im not currently aware whether or not the gal scout or cloak has been nerfed on the signature front.
but you used to be unscannable for 9/10 cases.
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Miokai Zahou
The Southern Legion
Final Resolution.
311
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Posted - 2014.07.03 04:28:00 -
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I sometimes run ck.0 scout suit with x4 complex precision and a focused scanner for my team and I can see everything.
Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
347
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Posted - 2014.07.03 04:45:00 -
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If it gets you lower than 15db then only a 4x precision enhanced cal scout can see you. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2858
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:47:00 -
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Let's work it out. I just hope I'm right.
So, a maxed GalScout with 2 complex damps will have a profile of 15.72 dB. With a proto cloak on, that number should drop to around 14.15 dB. A CalScout with 4 enhancers will be able to scan down to 14.91 dB. A Focused Scanner will scan down to 20dB, but in the hands of a Galogi, it will be able to scan down to 15dB.
If none of these values get rounded to the nearest whole and if my numbers are in fact correct, a GalScout with 2 complex damps and a proto cloak could evade all passive and active scans.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. |
Silver Strike44
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP
Dark Taboo
86
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Posted - 2014.07.03 05:59:00 -
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According to Haerr's alpha hotfix scan table, this fit should be able to evade any and all scanners.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
15126
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Posted - 2014.07.03 06:04:00 -
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Only whilst cloaked.
To be fully unscannable you need 3x damps.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Polka will never die.
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
3953
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Posted - 2014.07.03 07:49:00 -
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You need 3 Compies to be unscannable
Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
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Nrabatar Zorig
Nos Nothi
117
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Posted - 2014.07.03 07:53:00 -
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See this table. Green means one, cyan two, blue three, purple four and pink five complex damps. As others have stated, a Gal scout can only be unscannable with a proto cloak and three complex damps.
Shaman Zorig of the Vherokior Tribe
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3391
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Posted - 2014.07.03 07:56:00 -
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You need 3 complex damps to stay hidden from a gal. logi that has a focused scanner otherwise you are screwed. That means however that every other scout still gets picked up on scans. |
Sum1ne Else
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1236
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Posted - 2014.07.03 08:20:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Let's work it out. I just hope I'm right.
So, a maxed GalScout with 2 complex damps will have a profile of 15.72 dB. With a proto cloak on, that number should drop to around 14.15 dB. A CalScout with 4 enhancers will be able to scan down to 14.91 dB. A Focused Scanner will scan down to 20dB, but in the hands of a Galogi, it will be able to scan down to 15dB.
If none of these values get rounded to the nearest whole and if my numbers are in fact correct, a GalScout with 2 complex damps and a proto cloak could evade all passive and active scans.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
All numbers are rounded up; so if it was 14.1 it would get rounded upto 15. As a Gal scout you may as well just run enhanced cloak and 2 complex damps. 3 complex precision can see you but you can see them too and they will have far less Hp. People see see you with their eyes glistening in the screen anyways. Its usually 'scrubs' too because they dont check the HUD
Impressive? Longest PLC Kill 151.8m - OHK on a Heavy
Logi mk.0 - Commando gk.0 - Scout gk.0
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2862
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Posted - 2014.07.03 10:06:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:[quote=LT SHANKS]All numbers are rounded up; so if it was 14.1 it would get rounded upto 15. As a Gal scout you may as well just run enhanced cloak and 2 complex damps. 3 complex precision can see you but you can see them too and they will have far less Hp. People see see you with their eyes glistening in the screen anyways. Its usually 'scrubs' too because they dont check the HUD
Ahh, so all numbers are rounded up to the nearest whole? Well, that sucks. Did you personally test this? I have no friends in this game, so testing it myself would be hard to do. |
Sum1ne Else
G0DS AM0NG MEN
General Tso's Alliance
1238
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Posted - 2014.07.03 10:28:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Sum1ne Else wrote:All numbers are rounded up; so if it was 14.1 it would get rounded upto 15. As a Gal scout you may as well just run enhanced cloak and 2 complex damps. 3 complex precision can see you but you can see them too and they will have far less Hp. People see see you with their eyes glistening in the screen anyways. Its usually 'scrubs' too because they dont check the HUD Ahh, so all numbers are rounded up to the nearest whole? Well, that sucks. Did you personally test this? I have no friends in this game, so testing it myself would be hard to do.
Me thinks Hawkin Pete and the Molon Labe. did some in game testing. This is just number crunching and numbers rounding up is what the devs said. I think with adv cloak its 14.94 so youll be at 15, proto cloak is 14.15 so you will be the same 15.
Impressive? Longest PLC Kill 151.8m - OHK on a Heavy
Logi mk.0 - Commando gk.0 - Scout gk.0
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Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10623
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Posted - 2014.07.03 13:26:00 -
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Wait, what?
A gal scout needs 3?
Then what's the e'fing difference?
That dampening bonus is useless, everyone needs 3 
Not to mention how incredibly overpowered that makes scanning, not just against Gal scouts but against all scouts.
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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FLAY LOCKED
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2014.07.03 13:33:00 -
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If I'm understanding this correctly, there is no way for a Gallente scout to be completely unscannable unless the player uses up three slots for dampeners?
Does this not apply to all scouts then? I'm a bit lost here... |
KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1105
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Posted - 2014.07.03 13:57:00 -
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Nrabatar Zorig wrote:See this table. Green means one, cyan two, blue three, purple four and pink five complex damps. As others have stated, a Gal scout can only be unscannable with a proto cloak and three complex damps.
What's the date of that table?
Sadly it won't say either build or date 
:-S
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1105
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Posted - 2014.07.03 14:03:00 -
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Whatever the real answer,
Having 24/7 undetectability and getting to be absolutely sure about it
should come with terrible cost, most likely thru sacrificing other fittings.
If it should be allowed at all.
Note that the above is different from having that 100% stealth with cloak on.
That is perfectly fine, as it is not on all the time automatically!
That brings the important choice into equasion, when to activate cloak and when to save it.
:-S
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NAV HIV
The Generals
1852
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Posted - 2014.07.03 14:19:00 -
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FLAY LOCKED wrote:Is this true? Assuming I have Gallente Scouts to 5 with maxed dampening and cloaks, will I be unscannable with a proto cloak on?
Will I be able to avoid a 4x complex precision enhanced Caldari Scout or a proto Gallente Logi with a Duvolle focused Scanner?
True :) |
Cat Merc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
10623
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Posted - 2014.07.03 14:32:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote:Whatever the real answer,
Having 24/7 undetectability and getting to be absolutely sure about it
should come with terrible cost, most likely thru sacrificing other fittings.
If it should be allowed at all.
Note that the above is different from having that 100% stealth with cloak on.
That is perfectly fine, as it is not on all the time automatically!
That brings the important choice into equasion, when to activate cloak and when to save it.
No, it should not come at a terrible cost.
Scanning allows you to see the entire enemy team, and it's shared with squad mates.
Dampening only works on an individual basis.
So to hide your entire team from ONE scanner, you need all 16 players to put on profile dampeners.
See how scanning is MUCH more powerful than dampening?
Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dirt Nap Squad.
3455
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Posted - 2014.07.03 15:22:00 -
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It comes out to the old bonus, so yes.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Jotun Izalaru
Goonfeet
144
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Posted - 2014.07.03 16:52:00 -
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The best way to stay unscannable to is to kill the 4 or five calscouts. Easy! |
CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
1235
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Posted - 2014.07.03 16:52:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Wait, what? A gal scout needs 3? Then what's the e'fing difference? That dampening bonus is useless, everyone needs 3 Not to mention how incredibly overpowered that makes scanning, not just against Gal scouts but against all scouts.
Well they did nerf the Gallente scout too much in my opinion. They need to buff the Minmatar and possibly the Amarr scout a little too.
MY LIFE FOR AIUR!
You gonna' give me orders?
Bluurglleezerrgllee
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
997
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Posted - 2014.07.03 17:13:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Wait, what? A gal scout needs 3? Then what's the e'fing difference? That dampening bonus is useless, everyone needs 3 Not to mention how incredibly overpowered that makes scanning, not just against Gal scouts but against all scouts. Well they did nerf the Gallente scout too much in my opinion. They need to buff the Minmatar and possibly the Amarr scout a little too.
CCP simply destroyed the role of the gal scout to prevent brick tanking but they oversaw that brick tankingis all that seem valid. running with three damps is not exactly a reasonable fit for gal scouts...
The funny part is CCP believed the old focussed scanner is OP (or well basically ALL scanners) so they nerfed them. But at the same time they created a suit that is a perma 360 degree focussed scanner  ....In some cases I really dont understand the reasoning that CCP shows...
But back to topic yes its possible to beat ALL scanners with a proto gal scout but the only way to be sure is to equip 3 complex damps as the others have already pointed out... |
Zimander
45
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Posted - 2014.07.03 17:30:00 -
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FLAY LOCKED wrote:Is this true? Assuming I have Gallente Scouts to 5 with maxed dampening and cloaks, will I be unscannable with a proto cloak on?
Will I be able to avoid a 4x complex precision enhanced Caldari Scout or a proto Gallente Logi with a Duvolle focused Scanner?
With 3x complex dampener and lvl 5 gal scout your profile will be on 14.48dB and if i remember Duvolle scaner can pick only to 20dB but with pro logi scan will be on 15dB
even pro cal scout will can see everything to 14.91 with 4x complex prcision so like you see gal scout lvl 5 is invisible for all scaners |
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