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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:16:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Lol, OK Sota.
/yawn
no substance to be found here. Time to move on to read real candidate threads.
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Zatara Rought
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:28:00 -
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Feel free. I think trolling mine is quite boring.
Candidate for CPM1 Go VOTE! Dust514.com
They call me Princess Zatata <3
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:49:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Feel free. I think trolling mine is quite boring.
That's a poor comment. I might of been aggressive, but they were stated clearly, no trolling. Besides maybe one comment on a 2 lined post, anyways, but at that point you were already dodging and hiding, so what does it matter?
You are just a bad candidate and this thread proves it.
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Zatara Rought
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:52:00 -
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Mmmmhmmm. OK Bud Thanks for stopping by.
Candidate for CPM1 Go VOTE! Dust514.com
They call me Princess Zatata <3
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
246
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:57:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Mmmmhmmm. OK Bud Thanks for stopping by.
It was by request, I would of dropped by earlier but you made a last minute application. Hopefully whatever kept you from applying for a month doesn't stop you for communicating with CCP. Though we all know you'll be doing more listening then communicating. LOL
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Zatara Rought
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 09:58:00 -
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I will do a lot of listening indeed.
Candidate for CPM1 Go VOTE! Dust514.com
They call me Princess Zatata <3
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:07:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:I will do a lot of listening indeed.
When you have nothing to add it's better to listen. +1 for the wisdom.
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Zatara Rought
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:28:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I will do a lot of listening indeed. When you have nothing to add it's better to listen. +1 for the wisdom.
Thank you. Although I will be able to contribute because I listen. :D
Candidate for CPM1 Go VOTE! Dust514.com
They call me Princess Zatata <3
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:42:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:SoTasLost Property wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I will do a lot of listening indeed. When you have nothing to add it's better to listen. +1 for the wisdom. Thank you. Although I will be able to contribute because I listen. :D
If this thread is any indication of your level of thoughts we might be better off with you just listening. Lol
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dwater
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:46:00 -
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Since Zatara is too nice I'll say it.
Go **** yourself Sota. Stop trolling his thread.
Zatara Rought wrote:As for endorsements I've been endorsed by quite a few people, if you'd like to read a bit from the 'experts' endorsements here they are: Experts PollSome of the people you mentioned will be great contributors among others also made individual endorsements and are listed such as Cross and Keval: Keval LongstridePokey DravonAeon AmadiCross AtuSoraya Xel
It's called politics, if they treat you like dirt they might get treated the same. Quote:They have to maintain a professional image, plus they aren't sure who they'll be working with on CPM so it's better to keep everyone on friendly levels. I wouldn't read into it.
They have to maintain a professional image by listing which 7 candidates they will be voting thus obviously not keeping everyone on friendly levels? *facepalm*
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How about link something other then how well you can kiss ass?
Because people support him he's kissed their ass?  You're a biased POS joke.
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My main attack was the substance you brought here, and you counter by singling out my endorsement comment? How many other remarks did I make that are all true that you ignored?
He proved you wrong on numerous things right here and you ignore them because you just want to troll.
You said he only parrots, he proved otherwise where he was at the forefront. You said "oh he occupies a big position of power" and failed to give examples of why that's wrong when he says the CSM have tons of examples how it's just fine. You said he didn't post 'content' and I checked every other thread...none of them would meet criteria for 'content' and yet you're only here for him. **** he refuted you further by checking the CSM threads. It's obvious you can't promise things that you may not be able to deliver on, but I know Zat knows what's wrong with the game because he listens. Something this thread proves you can't do.
You judged his entire candidacy on a post. Or so you say. Ghost posted up already before you came here about how much you just want to hurt Zat's campaign because you're butthurt about something.
All you're trying to do is make him angry, which isn't going to work because he knows you're nothing but a stupid troll.
Go be butthurt with your friends, Zat will make a great CPM member.
If i'm responding it's because you're entertaining or you're an idiot and I don't want you to nerf my gun.
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dwater
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:47:00 -
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now, can we get back to deadspace 3 in peace? Bye bye butthurt boy
If i'm responding it's because you're entertaining or you're an idiot and I don't want you to nerf my gun.
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dwater
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:48:00 -
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Also, voted.
If i'm responding it's because you're entertaining or you're an idiot and I don't want you to nerf my gun.
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dwater
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:49:00 -
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Also, why didn't you just ask him about a specific issue? BECAUSE YOU JUST WANT TO TROLL AND NITPICK
 
If i'm responding it's because you're entertaining or you're an idiot and I don't want you to nerf my gun.
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KenKaniff69
Subdreddit
2447
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Posted - 2014.07.08 10:58:00 -
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I'll be reporting all his posts. It's obvious to anyone that can read sota has a bone to pick. Seriously Sota?
You didn't stop in Anarchide's or anyone else's thread, you are just trolling this one. While we appreciate the help in proving Zat's patience. Others can bump his thread without the agenda.
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
247
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:09:00 -
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I'm not even sure why I read Dwarters post, it seems like he has a thought, but doesn't quite deliver. Do you care to point out what exactly he refuted and how?
Without the rage, this time. This is suppose to be a civil discussion and I find your mannerism quite rude. :3
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dwater
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:11:00 -
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It's all there. And don't be a *****, you've been rude over and over.
If i'm responding it's because you're entertaining or you're an idiot and I don't want you to nerf my gun.
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
247
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:12:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:I'll be reporting all his posts. It's obvious to anyone that can read sota has a bone to pick. Seriously Sota?
You didn't stop in Anarchide's or anyone else's thread, you are just trolling this one. While we appreciate the help in proving Zat's patience. Others can bump his thread without the agenda.
Sorry, but bone to pick or not that doesn't constitute as trolling. As long as I hold myself with proper conduct and remain on topic all you can do is reply the best you can with what wit you have.
But feel free to try, anyways. Good to know instead of straight answers you guys try to just get rid of any opposition.
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dwater
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:12:00 -
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Honestly, EVERYONE knows you're not here for any other reason than to troll Zat.
So Zat just needs to ignore everything you say until you grow up. Which is sad because I'm younger than you.
If i'm responding it's because you're entertaining or you're an idiot and I don't want you to nerf my gun.
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dwater
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:14:00 -
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It's quite easy to see it's trolling. Especially because once you already said you were finished and are contributing nothing by continuing posting. You're simply being a ******* loitering troll.
If i'm responding it's because you're entertaining or you're an idiot and I don't want you to nerf my gun.
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dwater
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:14:00 -
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SOTA'S NOTHING BUT A TROLL AND EVERYONE READING NEEDS TO KNOW THIS!
If i'm responding it's because you're entertaining or you're an idiot and I don't want you to nerf my gun.
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:15:00 -
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dwater wrote:It's all there. And don't be a *****, you've been rude over and over.
again, it was never shared. Care to shoot me another statement of, "Go look for it yourself" in a thread designed to go to know CPM?
Care to explain how it's a good idea for a CEO who has to run a corps daily and set up future should be given access to game changing information well a head of time?
Care to explain anything with something other then, "You should know." Because I am stating I don't and have not received a decent reply to it. If that bothers you take it else where, this is not the thread for it.
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:16:00 -
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dwater wrote:It's quite easy to see it's trolling. Especially because once you already said you were finished and are contributing nothing by continuing posting. You're simply being a ******* loitering troll.
I did what I said I'd do and returned, what's wrong?
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KenKaniff69
Subdreddit
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:16:00 -
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I'll give it a whirl.
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:24:00 -
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I will say this one more time so the FA guys can read it, again, for maybe the fourth time. Picking Zatara for CPM is basically picking any decent member of the community, he adds nothing more or less then the next joe. What exactly defines him as something we need on CPM? Because you guys like him? Well, then why don't we all vote in General John Ripper? He'll listen just as well as Zatara, has an actual programming background to comprehend what is being said to him, and is probably more active over-all both in game and on forums.
Do you see my point?
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KenKaniff69
Subdreddit
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:42:00 -
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Quote:Where's the content? Where's his side of the NPE? PC changes? Game mechanic changes? Why do we need to ask him these questions when they are fundamental to the success and progression to this game and should be obviously mentioned?
Please show me where any CPM candidates said specifically how they are going to 'fix' NPE or PC for Dust in their respective campaign posts?
To my knowledge none do, because until we get clear answers about what is possible, you'd be overpromising what you can't guarantee.
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Simply put - Zatara's campaign is completely dependent on his popularity.
Lol, more like Infamy has been a huge distraction from his campaign.
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His actual ability as CPM will be 100% reliant on what others tell him and how he communicates.
A baseless assertion you haven't proven. Easy to say nasty things about a person, much tougher to make them stick without showing where he's done this.
And he refuted it here
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I think the assertion i'm 100% dependent on others is false, and can be proven by examples such as GImble's podcast where I disagreed with everyone there -before- 1.8 that the assault suits bonuses would suck, the work I contributed with Rattati's threads on gal scouts that was fully implemented, and more.
Off the top of his head he stated ways he's been calling out issues, not just bandwagoning.
I'm sure he could list more, but those examples suffice in proving you wrong.
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None of them are in any real positions of power where it'll influence there decision making.
You, on the other hand, are.
Actually, wrong, they all are. And many of them are involved in PC.
Gonna skip the stuff Soraya refuted himself.
Zatara answered the idea you can't hold power in game here by evidence from the past:
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KenKaniff69
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:45:00 -
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Many many many of the best CSM members have been power players in their respective corps/alliances and contributed just fine.
I do not think being in a position of power in game should be a deterrent to serving on the CSM or CPM.
The number of CSM that have held power positions in game is numerous, but they handled the responsibility admirably.
This is a much larger pool of evidence than the assertions based off Kane.
Quote:Your experience is them all combined x 10. No one doubts you know how to use mechanics, but does that mean you understand them enough to help CCP?
Your OP pretty much says no
Omission is a fail way of deciding he's incapable of doing it. Which is a large problem with this whole line of trolling.
Even if he did make a mistake and should have added info about some specifics, which he has elsewhere, it should have been a call for change, not dismissal. Just more evidence of why you're here. To be a jerk troll.
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I could vote in almost anyone else and would expect them to do what your OP is claiming makes you special.
Which is exactly as it should be. Anyone who is willing to be an effective communicator to CCP for us all is qualified to be on the CPM. This is all that matters. The CPM don't handle game balance. It's just a bonus knowing what motivates him and his experience.
Quote:Some of the people you mentioned will be great contributors among others also made individual endorsements and are listed such as Cross and Keval:
Keval Longstride
Pokey Dravon
Aeon Amadi
Cross Atu
Soraya Xel
He posts a list of people who specifically endorsed him at the cost of not endorsing another candidate and your response proves you didn't even read or get that at all:
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It's called politics, if they treat you like dirt they might get treated the same. They have to maintain a professional image, plus they aren't sure who they'll be working with on CPM so it's better to keep everyone on friendly levels. I wouldn't read into it.
They didn't need to be nice to him when there are plenty of other viable candidates they could have endorsed. And it certainly doesn't keep it at friendly levels by omitting others. So I would read into it. You won't because it refutes your biased perception. Go ask them how about? Nah you'll find a reason not to of course.
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KenKaniff69
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:46:00 -
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Quote:A parrot is better then nothing.
Already refuted, you just ignored the rebuttal without addressing it.
So exactly who is doing this? Quote:"How many other remarks did I make that are all true that you ignored?"
Seems like it is YOU Sota.
No wonder at that point he was wise to begin ignoring you "Lol, OK Sota."
Everything since is just you saying insulting things.
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Zatara Rought
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:52:00 -
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Wow, guys. Chill. Sota homie I appreciate your negative feedback, and I think you've made yourself quite clear. Neither side will progress this any further so please.
I'm not going to respond any further to you because I know you're here to be a ****. That's fine, I can't stop you.
The elections are up, people. Now is the time to go check out vote match and try to energize your friends to vote their conscience.
Candidate for CPM1 Go VOTE! Dust514.com
They call me Princess Zatata <3
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SoTasLost Property
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
249
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Posted - 2014.07.08 11:56:00 -
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You should run for CPM Ken, not Zatara. lol
Also, when did I say any candidate was going to fix anything?
And when is being average good? If zatara isn't special then there's a list of candidates who are basically on equal footing with him. So what it boils down too - who cares the most to get things done for the community? You're posting for Zatara who couldn't reply himself, so that shows that.
and if you check with EvE they too have a problem with CEO and CSM being the same, it's a topic there as well, and I'm sure there were several candidates who won enough trust to get through that, but does that make it right?
Enough, I really do grow tired of this, I will make this my last post and will just look forward to the reply:
Why is picking Zatara a better option then anyone else????
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KenKaniff69
Subdreddit
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Posted - 2014.07.08 12:03:00 -
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SoTasLost Property wrote:You should run for CPM Ken, not Zatara. lol
Also, when did I say any candidate was going to fix anything?
And when is being average good? If zatara isn't special then there's a list of candidates who are basically on equal footing with him. So what it boils down too - who cares the most to get things done for the community? You're posting for Zatara who couldn't reply himself, so that shows that.
and if you check with EvE they too have a problem with CEO and CSM being the same, it's a topic there as well, and I'm sure there were several candidates who won enough trust to get through that, but does that make it right?
Enough, I really do grow tired of this, I will make this my last post and will just look forward to the reply:
Why is picking Zatara a better option then anyone else????
I just reposted what you ignored.
They are on equal footing in a sense. But Not many can prove they have been here for the community.
Endeavors such as Zat's Feedback threads recently on Gal Scouts/E-war, his thread that was widely supported to increase min scout base hack speed so that a gal scout can't best it, and his crowdscourcing thread on assaults to try and find the best idea to present to Rattati, on top of the added experience that is uniquely his (He has WAY more experience playing the game than anyone else aside from Aeon and Appia to my knowledge) all make him a fitting candidate and demonstrate that unlike some candidates that have some ideas of what they want to do, Zat's been here for the community trying to improve it.
He proved this to me long ago from the moment he took me in from Subdreddit and inspired and taught me how to be competitive in PC.
It's not a problem there in the CSM, you're completely mistaken. Some people gripe, but the players who are in positions and still serve (which is many even of the CSM today) have no issues.
I'd like to hear of just 3 candidates that failed to get 'trust' enough due to their position in their respective corp/alliance as your post insinuates.
Good luck.
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