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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:50:00 -
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https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B42cvyl4BvAfUDcwTFYxZnFZVHc&usp=drive_web
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Obodiah Garro
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:53:00 -
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Dont even need to look at that to know that ScR rifles need nerfed to **** 
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WeapondigitX V7
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:02:00 -
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SCRs better not get nerfed. But if they reduce heat cost ALOT then I will be fine with the changes. Hard to kill fast armor tankers sometimes that are skilled. Over heat is a big issue. |
Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:02:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Dont even need to look at that to know that ScR rifles need nerfed to ****
It is worth pointing out these DPS values are the absolute maximum. While most people can't achieve these values with standard controllers it shows the need for ROF caps.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:04:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:SCRs better not get nerfed. But if they reduce heat cost ALOT then I will be fine with the changes. Hard to kill fast armor tankers sometimes that are skilled. Over heat is a big issue.
The Scrambler Rifle doesn't need a 'traditional nerf' but it needs a rate of fire cap
(six rounds per second) in order to control that higher DPS.
The same needs to be done to the Combat Rifle and Tactical Rifle
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:27:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:WeapondigitX V7 wrote:SCRs better not get nerfed. But if they reduce heat cost ALOT then I will be fine with the changes. Hard to kill fast armor tankers sometimes that are skilled. Over heat is a big issue. The Scrambler Rifle doesn't need a 'traditional nerf' but it needs a rate of fire cap (six rounds per second) in order to control that higher DPS. The same needs to be done to the Combat Rifle and Tactical Rifle
I'd also say that it needs a hip-fire nerf, as it's too good in CQC for something that's supposed to be a long range weapon.
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:29:00 -
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Are you trolling?
The RR is crap compared to CR.
As is every other fine rifle, except perhaps the ScR.
Time to put down the graphs and shoot more bad guys.
You're just plain wrong.
Try the CR. See for yourself.
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Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:29:00 -
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The ACR is the best rifle.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:32:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:WeapondigitX V7 wrote:SCRs better not get nerfed. But if they reduce heat cost ALOT then I will be fine with the changes. Hard to kill fast armor tankers sometimes that are skilled. Over heat is a big issue. The Scrambler Rifle doesn't need a 'traditional nerf' but it needs a rate of fire cap (six rounds per second) in order to control that higher DPS. The same needs to be done to the Combat Rifle and Tactical Rifle I'd also say that it needs a hip-fire nerf, as it's too good in CQC for something that's supposed to be a long range weapon.
Yes this also rather necessary, the DPS and Range are not the only things that need to be balanced.
Gallante ------- Minmatar --------- Amarr --------- Caldari
DPS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Range
Hipfire Accuracy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ADS Accuracy
Kick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Recoil
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:34:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Are you trolling?
The RR is crap compared to CR.
As is every other fine rifle, except perhaps the ScR.
Time to put down the graphs and shoot more bad guys.
You're just plain wrong.
Try the CR. See for yourself.
No these numbers are real, the RR and ARR have the longest range, and nowhere near the lowest DPS, this is broken.
I do agree however that the Burst Combat Rifle requires a ROB (Rate of Burst) cap so that no more than 4 bursts a second are possible
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:35:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:
No these numbers are real ...
That explains why Nyain San doesn't use Combat Rifles. 
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:36:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:The ACR is the best rifle.
To the contrary it has one the lowest ranges and one of the lowest DPS values, you maybe confusing it with the Burst Combat Rifle, which is capable of being fired fully automatic and has considerbly more range.
Secondly you may simply be encountering better players who use the ACR than the RR who sit in Sentinel Suits.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:38:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
No these numbers are real ...
That explains why Nyain San doesn't use Combat Rifles.
Precisely, look at the values as you can see the Scrambler Rifle has by far the highest 'achievable' DPS, however the RR has the longest range and highly competitive DPS, this is why they still are so well used.
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:40:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
No these numbers are real ...
That explains why Nyain San doesn't use Combat Rifles. Precisely, look at the values as you can see the Scrambler Rifle has by far the highest 'achievable' DPS, however the RR has the longest range and highly competitive DPS, this is why they still are so well used.
I was pulling your chain.
If you played Dust, you'd realize that Nyain San uses CR more than anything else. Seriously, you're missing something. Play the game. Test your theories. See that you are wrong.
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:42:00 -
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I totally agree, buff the assault combat rifle  |
Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:44:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
No these numbers are real ...
That explains why Nyain San doesn't use Combat Rifles. Precisely, look at the values as you can see the Scrambler Rifle has by far the highest 'achievable' DPS, however the RR has the longest range and highly competitive DPS, this is why they still are so well used. Not precisely. I was pulling your chain. If you played Dust, you'd realize that Nyain San uses CR more than anything else.
Personally I see them with shotgun's more often than not! 
But once again refer to my Rate of Burst Cap on Combat Rifles, I'm not saying the CR is balanced, infact what I'm saying is they are all broken.
I do play regularly using an ACR, and still do moderately.
But just because I can do well with the weapon does not mean that it or any other weapon is balanced.
Furthermore the Projectile profile is broken, I have omitted this from the data in the graph.
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Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:47:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:The ACR is the best rifle. To the contrary it has one the lowest ranges and one of the lowest DPS values, you maybe confusing it with the Burst Combat Rifle, which is capable of being fired fully automatic and has considerbly more range. Secondly you may simply be encountering better players who use the ACR than the RR who sit in Sentinel Suits.
I'm encountering scouts using the ACR like its a long range shotgun.
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:49:00 -
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You should take this thread down.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 15:18:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:The ACR is the best rifle. To the contrary it has one the lowest ranges and one of the lowest DPS values, you maybe confusing it with the Burst Combat Rifle, which is capable of being fired fully automatic and has considerbly more range. Secondly you may simply be encountering better players who use the ACR than the RR who sit in Sentinel Suits. I'm encountering scouts using the ACR like its a long range shotgun.
"Scouts"
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 15:20:00 -
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This however is much more balanced
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OYGYch9cUVaM9jX06BTUC9pc5LY8w6wrtQHjMKn6z5w/edit?usp=sharing
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Izlare Lenix
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP
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Posted - 2014.07.02 15:44:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Dont even need to look at that to know that ScR rifles need nerfed to ****
Do you even use the ScR? Because if you did you would know it is the most balanced rifle in the game because of heat buildup and it has the worst damage profile.
The ScR is the least used of all the rifles. And since most players will always flock to the most OP weapon available, the ScR being the least used proves for most players it's cons outweigh its pros.
I have used the ScR for more than six months and I love it because I have adapted to it. But the Boundless CR is so much stronger than the viziam it's not even funny. I stopped useing the CR a while ago because it is too easy. At least with the ScR I have to aim properly and manage overheat. The CR is just point and shoot until reload.
Players have always claimed the ScR is too strong yet the simple fact it has never filled the kill feed like CRs, RRs, Hmgs and shotguns disproves this claim.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 15:56:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Obodiah Garro wrote:Dont even need to look at that to know that ScR rifles need nerfed to **** Do you even use the ScR? Because if you did you would know it is the most balanced rifle in the game because of heat buildup and it has the worst damage profile. The ScR is the least used of all the rifles. And since most players will always flock to the most OP weapon available, the ScR being the least used proves for most players it's cons outweigh its pros. I have used the ScR for more than six months and I love it because I have adapted to it. But the Boundless CR is so much stronger than the viziam it's not even funny. I stopped useing the CR a while ago because it is too easy. At least with the ScR I have to aim properly and manage overheat. The CR is just point and shoot until reload. Players have always claimed the ScR is too strong yet the simple fact it has never filled the kill feed like CRs, RRs, Hmgs and shotguns disproves this claim.
This is not necessarily what the graph shows, the graph only shows the highest achievable DPS, it does not show, damage profile or other limitations.
However it does show the ScR needs a ROF cap so that it can NEVER reach the 800 DPS it currently can.
What this shows is how there is no organization to the rifles, how some of the shortest range rifles also have the lowest damage. Etc etc.
Because of the current state of rifles their is no tactical choice between races only mathematical!
This why the Burst Combat Rifle and the RR are so prelevant.
It needs proper balancing!
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Lea Silencio
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Posted - 2014.07.02 16:17:00 -
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The ScR is the LEAST used of all of the rifle variants.
Confirmed by CCP.
I know this has nothing to do with anything...just thought I would remind people.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
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Posted - 2014.07.02 16:40:00 -
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OP, either your numbers are wrong or they're meaningless. RR is a pub gun these days; it can't compete with AR let alone CR any more, and a good ScR user wrecks everything without being able to touch that RoF.
Lea Silencio wrote:The ScR is the LEAST used of all of the rifle variants.
Confirmed by CCP.
I know this has nothing to do with anything...just thought I would remind people.
As a ScR user I would just like to emphasise that correlation =/= causation and just because it is unused doesn't necessarily mean it isn't OP (though I don't think it is).
I think it could use an RoF cap to about 550 though.
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Atiim
Fooly Cooly.
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Posted - 2014.07.02 16:42:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:The ScR is the LEAST used of all of the rifle variants.
Confirmed by CCP.
I know this has nothing to do with anything...just thought I would remind people.
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The Swarm Launcher was the 3rd least used weapon in Uprising 1.3, but that doesn't change the fact that it was "OP" either; just a friendly reminder as well.
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Alpha 443-6732
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Posted - 2014.07.02 17:36:00 -
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The CR is the only problem rifle at the moment.
There are many more relevant factors to balance from instead of simply using dps and range.
You would completely destroy balance with these changes.
OP is either a troll or just ******* deluded. |
Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 22:17:00 -
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Alpha 443-6732 wrote:The CR is the only problem rifle at the moment.
There are many more relevant factors to balance from instead of simply using dps and range.
You would completely destroy balance with these changes.
OP is either a troll or just ******* deluded.
Thank you for your well structured and organized arguement.
However, I am aware there is more to perfect balance than just range vs dps.
However, however,
Let's Assume that we fix the Combat Rifles profile.
So that +20% Armour and -20% Shields
All assault rifles have similar magazine sizes, so I put to you if you are balancing weapons off their 'feel', are you sure that is the best to balance.
What difference does
ROF make when the DPS is the same?
Recoil make if the target is dead before it leaves the target?
Sure there is more to it than that, but Range vs DPS is by far the most important factor!
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.07.02 22:23:00 -
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I don't even. *Facepalm*. Epic fail. *jackie chan face*.
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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.07.02 22:30:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:I don't even. *Facepalm*. Epic fail. *jackie chan face*.
/thread
Fantastic data, brilliant arguments, unbelievable presentation!
10/10
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Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2014.07.02 22:31:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:I don't even. *Facepalm*. Epic fail. *jackie chan face*.
/thread
Fantastic data, brilliant arguments, unbelievable presentation! 10/10
Very doge. Much epicness. Fantastic. 10/10 would fap to again.
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