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WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.07.02 11:59:00 -
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HMG's damage multiplier to vehicles needs to be increased more.
I think it was increased in hotfix bravo. I don't think it was enough.
My experience after hotfix bravo tells me that HMG's can fire a whole clip at tanks and LAVs and be no threat at 15m. |
Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
Psychotic Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.02 12:07:00 -
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So a non-AV weapon isn't good at AV. Imagine that.
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WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:08:00 -
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It is not meant to be 'good' at AV.
But I remember the devs saying that hotfix bravo was meant to change how much damage the HMG did to vehicles to make it a small threat if a vehicle sat still at a distance of 15 meters for 20 seconds.
It takes many HMG clips to kill a LAV still. I thought the devs wanted to shorten it to roughly 5 whole clips.
I assume that the changes to the HMG in hotfix bravo were implemented. |
WeapondigitX V7
The Exemplars
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.07.02 13:14:00 -
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Never mind, no changes were mentioned in google spreadsheet in hotfix bravo. It seems the changes to HMG were not implemented.
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Emo Skellington
The Neutral Zone
Psychotic Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:10:00 -
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I have something to say about this.
The shield repair rate out does the DPS of an HMG
This makes it harder to go thru it and defeat the armor... (almost how eve works with shield tanking)
The only difference that would make a huge impact would be the shields of vehicles registering the HMG as damage (even though its really not much) and the shield regen kick in doesn't come in until the shield delay time is reached without sustaining more damage.
Thats the only way the HMG can become a threat to vehicles. Against armor its completely fine cause at 15m you can dumpo so much DPS in vehicles and suits and its effectiveness against armor.
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
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Posted - 2014.07.02 14:16:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:HMG's damage multiplier to vehicles needs to be increased more.
I think it was increased in hotfix bravo. I don't think it was enough.
My experience after hotfix bravo tells me that HMG's can fire a whole clip at tanks and LAVs and be no threat at 15m.
if I can destroy lavs with a breach rifle. surl;ey a hmg does. ever tried fluxing away shields. hmgs don't do **** vs shields.
I bouth a low flying python down by throwing 2 flux nades to drop his shields then pounded away with my breach plasma rifle. prtty funny hpow caladri vehicles die to gallenten plasma weaponry.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
General Tso's Alliance
1042
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Posted - 2014.07.02 20:09:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:HMG's damage multiplier to vehicles needs to be increased more.
I think it was increased in hotfix bravo. I don't think it was enough.
My experience after hotfix bravo tells me that HMG's can fire a whole clip at tanks and LAVs and be no threat at 15m.
No, they actually work rather decent on LAV's. More than once I've had to move away from an HMG because my car was taking more damage than I would have liked.
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CELESTA AUNGM
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.02 21:41:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:
No, they actually work rather decent on LAV's. More than once I've had to move away from an HMG because my car was taking more damage than I would have liked.
Thank you, Tebu. I think you have illustrated what, honestly, OUGHT to be happening with the HMG. And I'm glad it DOES do that, and I'm glad that's ALL it does.
This thread is highlighting the subject of "User Behavior" in Dust. The game is GREAT because it offers SO many different weapons/variations... but that's also BAD, only in that it invites players to want to OVERREACH and blur their objectives.
Do I want to be the one others can rely on to smash the enemy DS or HAV or Proto LAV when it shows up? Then I need to trick my suit to carry a dedicated AV weapon, and skill into it until it's effective at my objective.
Do I want to be the one who annihilates INFANTRY by the truckload? Then I need to sport a dedicated infantry-sweeper like the HMG.
If I develop such SP skill that my HMG HAMMER-RIPS the darn skin and mirrors and fuzzy dice and driver off the truck, while it's decimating the poor troops that tried in vane to escape in the truck....and the driver had to run off so scared he h to change his underwear when he got back to the redline... then I should be PROUD of my HMG, not peeved that it won't kill the thing I don't want to invest better time and gear in killing.
I've had HMGs spray a couple of passengers right out of my climbing Dropship! Almost makes ME want to try the HMG, if it does THAT!
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
514
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Posted - 2014.07.02 23:47:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:HMG's damage multiplier to vehicles needs to be increased more.
I think it was increased in hotfix bravo. I don't think it was enough.
My experience after hotfix bravo tells me that HMG's can fire a whole clip at tanks and LAVs and be no threat at 15m.
I finished off a LAV multiple times with my basic HMG and a MLT heavy Damage mod. Just saying.
Go into Factional Warfare and summon a supped up LAV. Throw a flux at it and shoot at it. You will destroy it.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11513
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Posted - 2014.07.03 00:07:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:HMG's damage multiplier to vehicles needs to be increased more.
I think it was increased in hotfix bravo. I don't think it was enough.
My experience after hotfix bravo tells me that HMG's can fire a whole clip at tanks and LAVs and be no threat at 15m.
Yeah because bullets that can penetrate 25mm plating (Amarr Heavy thickness) Will do soooooooo much more damage to 120mm plating........
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Bojo The Mighty
Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno
3949
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Posted - 2014.07.03 00:08:00 -
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HMG hurts LAVs
My methana had its shields ripped off rather quickly by one. It couldn't kill me though because I had good reps, high armor (comp plate), and because I didn't sit there long enough. The HMG makes LAVs run away which is all it should do. You are confused as to what an HMG should be doing.
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Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1528
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Posted - 2014.07.03 01:08:00 -
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Emo Skellington wrote:I have something to say about this.
The shield repair rate out does the DPS of an HMG
This makes it harder to go thru it and defeat the armor... (almost how eve works with shield tanking)
The only difference that would make a huge impact would be the shields of vehicles registering the HMG as damage (even though its really not much) and the shield regen kick in doesn't come in until the shield delay time is reached without sustaining more damage.
Thats the only way the HMG can become a threat to vehicles. Against armor its completely fine cause at 15m you can dumpo so much DPS in vehicles and suits and its effectiveness against armor.
This. The only way to take out LAVs with the HMG currently is to flux the shields, then you can go to town.
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Grimmiers
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Posted - 2014.07.03 11:52:00 -
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I think aiming at the weak spot of an lav made the efficiency rating jump from 40 to 100%. The weak spot is the hood of the car. You just need a flux for shield lavs because it's impossible to deplete shields with small arms fire. |
wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
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Posted - 2014.07.03 19:20:00 -
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fly a dropship close to 2 proto heavies with boundlesses and check out how much damage you take. Although I would like to see a burst hmg do better damage to vehicles.
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Defy Gravity
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Posted - 2014.07.04 01:23:00 -
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I call bullshit iv'e destroyed hundreds of lavs with my hmg with the buff. As far a I see it HMG to LAV damage is perfect it'll make LAV Heavys think twice before approaching me. And lav drivers who make the littlest mistake would be better off getting out and letting me kill them.
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PIMP MAC DADDY 2100374163
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Posted - 2014.07.04 01:23:00 -
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I call bullshit iv'e destroyed hundreds of lavs with my hmg with the buff. As far a I see it HMG to LAV damage is perfect it'll make LAV Heavys think twice before approaching me. And lav drivers who make the littlest mistake would be better off getting out and letting me kill them.
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CCP Rattati
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.04 06:50:00 -
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Right now the shield repair is not interrupted by the HMG, so cannot harm a fully shielded vehicle. However, when shields are down, the HMG in optimal does plenty of damage to a LAV, enough at least to provide a killing stroke. We believe that is a fine balance.
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Jonny D Buelle
Mors Effera
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Posted - 2014.07.04 07:03:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Right now the shield repair is not interrupted by the HMG, so cannot harm a fully shielded vehicle. However, when shields are down, the HMG in optimal does plenty of damage to a LAV, enough at least to provide a killing stroke. We believe that is a fine balance.
As an HMG user, it is actually more than capable of taking down LAVs, against tanks is another story.
Typically if I want to destroy an LAV with an HMG I just quickly check to see if it is a Caldari or a Gallente which would change my tatic on how to take it head on. If it is Caldari LAV, pop the shields with a flux and blow it up with the HMG. If Gallente, I just fire until I hear the boom.
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nicholas73
Glitched Connection
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Posted - 2014.07.04 12:42:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Right now the shield repair is not interrupted by the HMG, so cannot harm a fully shielded vehicle. However, when shields are down, the HMG in optimal does plenty of damage to a LAV, enough at least to provide a killing stroke. We believe that is a fine balance.
Armour LAVs have too much HP to begin with, a few days ago I threw 2 Lai Dai packed AV grenade at a Methana (the guy was using rail turrents) and it still survived.
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lithkul devant
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
269
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Posted - 2014.07.04 14:02:00 -
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I might not have destroyed hundreads of LAVs with an HMG, but the basic HMG with a low end damage mod is now capable of either taking off the shields of an LAV by itself or if the shields are off killing it, this is a substantial improvement from how it was, where the HMG could not even get an LAV past the 50% mark of the shielding (Unless you were using proto but that's a different subject) HMGs can scare off people using LAVs, I've also seen far less fatties using the LAV to just go around and kill people feeling that they have immunity. |
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.06 05:59:00 -
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nicholas73 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Right now the shield repair is not interrupted by the HMG, so cannot harm a fully shielded vehicle. However, when shields are down, the HMG in optimal does plenty of damage to a LAV, enough at least to provide a killing stroke. We believe that is a fine balance. Armour LAVs have too much HP to begin with, a few days ago I threw 2 Lai Dai packed AV grenade at a Methana (the guy was using rail turrents) and it still survived.
AV grenades are not a primary AV weapon (I don't care what tier they are), they are an assistant to primary AV (remotes, forge guns, swarm launchers, and well... plasma cannons I suppose). They require substantially lower effort and investment than proper AV, so they shouldn't utterly destroy vehicles whatsoever.
Unless we ever receive tiered vehicles, I would never support the ability for Lai Dai Packed Av grenades to destroy milita or standard LAVs with ease. |
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