DUST Search - [suggestion] make the ion pistol useful

General12912 wrote:

MINA Longstrike wrote:

If you have gallente assault 5 and sharpshooter 5 the ion pistol jumps up to about 72% accuracy - that's about 17% more accurate than a breach scrambler pistol. The only real problem with the ion pistol is its range. But essentially the ion pistol is a pocket pistol/shotgun.

As blackstar said, thats not balanced. and the ion pistol is nowhere near a "pocket shotgun." it does not shoot a burst of numerous plasma shots. it is what the weapon says it is: a pistol.

i am lv 5 Gallente assault. i have been since the HAV changes (during the dawn of the OP tank). the ion pistol does slightly better than it did, but it still cannot compete with other sidearms. its only real advantage is the charged shot, which is supposed to insta-kill "soft targets." this mainly includes scouts. however, as we all know, scouts hav been hp tanking beyond belief. so a charged shot doesnt really work.

dont tell me tha the charged shot can be good for tactical surpression, because its a close-ranged pistol, not long ranged.

the distance it can fire is fine, its a gallente weapon. but it needs to pack a little more of a punch in trade-off for its short range. even something like boosting its regular, non-charged shot damage by 5 hitpoints MAY work. i dnt think it should have the best damage for a pistol, as it has the best rate of fire. it needs to be the best dps pistol though when one fires its regular shots. especially since the pistol belonging to the race that uses the highest dps, the minmatar flaylock pistol, takes on the characteristics of their other attack style, high damage vs armor and splash damage (though the flaylock does not have too much splash damage, it once did, and today it still has some.)

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General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 203	Posted - 2014.06.29 04:49:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously, CCP, it sucks. pistols are supposed to be an accurate weapon, yet this gun is probably the most inaccurate thing i have ever seen. its not a Minmatar gun, so fix this! the sadder part is that the Minmatar's pistol, the Flaylock Pistol, is more accurate than the ion pistol. and their guns are supposed to be inaccurate. the charge shot is even useless. and it stops you from shooting after its done, which is a really bad idea for a close-quarters weapon. i sugeest you either increase its accuracy or, better yet, increase its damage. its damage is behind its other pistol cousins anyways. Every suit Gk.0 <3 Gallente Federation Patriot
MINA Longstrike 932	Posted - 2014.06.29 06:00:00 - [2] - Quote If you have gallente assault 5 and sharpshooter 5 the ion pistol jumps up to about 72% accuracy - that's about 17% more accurate than a breach scrambler pistol. The only real problem with the ion pistol is its range. But essentially the ion pistol is a pocket pistol/shotgun. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 565	Posted - 2014.06.29 07:30:00 - [3] - Quote Ion Pistol is a little lacking, but not much. Dispersion is a little much I'd say, especially for such a close up gun.
BL4CKST4R Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 2842	Posted - 2014.06.29 12:31:00 - [4] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: If you have gallente assault 5 and sharpshooter 5 the ion pistol jumps up to about 72% accuracy - that's about 17% more accurate than a breach scrambler pistol. The only real problem with the ion pistol is its range. But essentially the ion pistol is a pocket pistol/shotgun. So for the gun to he good it requires close to 3M SP in investment vs a gun that requires somewhere around 300K that's pretty balanced ;). As for the pocket pistol shotgun thing anything the ion pistol can do every other side arm can do it leagues better with little SP investment. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
Grimmiers 604	Posted - 2014.06.29 13:04:00 - [5] - Quote Make it so charge up meter is 1:1 with heat with scaled damage with slower cool down and have the operation skill decrease cooldown time. The damage and clip could stay as is to promote using both the charge shot and semi auto shots. The heat build up per shot should be fixed at 8 minimum. So if I did a shot at half charge it would do 175 damage and I would be left with 50 heat capacity meaning I would have up to 6 follow up shots. Overall the damage would be about 475 before I overheated. Overheating should be something you can avoid and this is why the ion pistol fails as a cqc pistol.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 203	Posted - 2014.07.05 23:58:00 - [6] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: If you have gallente assault 5 and sharpshooter 5 the ion pistol jumps up to about 72% accuracy - that's about 17% more accurate than a breach scrambler pistol. The only real problem with the ion pistol is its range. But essentially the ion pistol is a pocket pistol/shotgun. As blackstar said, thats not balanced. and the ion pistol is nowhere near a "pocket shotgun." it does not shoot a burst of numerous plasma shots. it is what the weapon says it is: a pistol. i am lv 5 Gallente assault. i have been since the HAV changes (during the dawn of the OP tank). the ion pistol does slightly better than it did, but it still cannot compete with other sidearms. its only real advantage is the charged shot, which is supposed to insta-kill "soft targets." this mainly includes scouts. however, as we all know, scouts hav been hp tanking beyond belief. so a charged shot doesnt really work. dont tell me tha the charged shot can be good for tactical surpression, because its a close-ranged pistol, not long ranged. the distance it can fire is fine, its a gallente weapon. but it needs to pack a little more of a punch in trade-off for its short range. even something like boosting its regular, non-charged shot damage by 5 hitpoints MAY work. i dnt think it should have the best damage for a pistol, as it has the best rate of fire. it needs to be the best dps pistol though when one fires its regular shots. especially since the pistol belonging to the race that uses the highest dps, the minmatar flaylock pistol, takes on the characteristics of their other attack style, high damage vs armor and splash damage (though the flaylock does not have too much splash damage, it once did, and today it still has some.) Every suit Gk.0 <3 Gallente Federation Patriot
MINA Longstrike 976	Posted - 2014.07.07 21:35:00 - [7] - Quote General12912 wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: If you have gallente assault 5 and sharpshooter 5 the ion pistol jumps up to about 72% accuracy - that's about 17% more accurate than a breach scrambler pistol. The only real problem with the ion pistol is its range. But essentially the ion pistol is a pocket pistol/shotgun. As blackstar said, thats not balanced. and the ion pistol is nowhere near a "pocket shotgun." it does not shoot a burst of numerous plasma shots. it is what the weapon says it is: a pistol. i am lv 5 Gallente assault. i have been since the HAV changes (during the dawn of the OP tank). the ion pistol does slightly better than it did, but it still cannot compete with other sidearms. its only real advantage is the charged shot, which is supposed to insta-kill "soft targets." this mainly includes scouts. however, as we all know, scouts hav been hp tanking beyond belief. so a charged shot doesnt really work. dont tell me tha the charged shot can be good for tactical surpression, because its a close-ranged pistol, not long ranged. the distance it can fire is fine, its a gallente weapon. but it needs to pack a little more of a punch in trade-off for its short range. even something like boosting its regular, non-charged shot damage by 5 hitpoints MAY work. i dnt think it should have the best damage for a pistol, as it has the best rate of fire. it needs to be the best dps pistol though when one fires its regular shots. especially since the pistol belonging to the race that uses the highest dps, the minmatar flaylock pistol, takes on the characteristics of their other attack style, high damage vs armor and splash damage (though the flaylock does not have too much splash damage, it once did, and today it still has some.) I didn't comment on whether it was balanced or not. I said that with the proper investment it isn't bad, just severely underrated. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Zindorak CaUsE-4-CoNcErN 59	Posted - 2014.07.08 01:08:00 - [8] - Quote I agree Here's a video to Cyrius Li-Moody's review on it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck0b0_3cW9c
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15253	Posted - 2014.07.08 08:26:00 - [9] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: If you have gallente assault 5 and sharpshooter 5 the ion pistol jumps up to about 72% accuracy - that's about 17% more accurate than a breach scrambler pistol. The only real problem with the ion pistol is its range. But essentially the ion pistol is a pocket pistol/shotgun. The ion pistol is in the bottom 3 for all weapons. It is one of the least damaging. It is impossible to kill moderately armoured targets in one clip, even at proto landing all your shots. The charge shot is pathetic because it forces you into overheat at sub 20m.a The utterly pitiful damage of the weapon hardly merits being called a 'pocket shotgun'. Putting 3m SP into the Galassault is very costly and if that accuracy boost is needed to make the weapon usable then it's broken on everything else. The scrambler pistol outperforms it in almost every single way. More damage per shot, more DPS, more range, a powerful headshot bonus, better accuracy, better damage per clip... If you really believe it's a pocket shotgun, then I doubt you've touched it. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 380	Posted - 2014.07.08 11:44:00 - [10] - Quote if the ion pistol sucked then why am I instana killing over half the red berrys in 1 shot with it? oh and don't get me started on dealing with shotgun scouts. they absolutey hate the thing. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*

Fizzer94 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2859	Posted - 2014.07.08 12:51:00 - [11] - Quote Fix pistols in general IoP More RoF: 450-475 More DAM: 75-82.5 (350 Charged) Better Accuracy (better than current, but still worse than ScP. GalAssaultV should make it slightly more accurate than ScP.) ScP More RoF: 425-450 Smaller Mag: 6(11 at PRO) FlaP More Radius BoP I honestly don't even know. I used it once. Didn't like. I'm not even sure if its broken, tbh. My best match on Dust, 23/6/4 Placon. Please unnerf ScPs and fix IoPs...
Finn Colman Immortal Guides 25	Posted - 2014.07.08 15:26:00 - [12] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Fix pistols in general IoP More RoF: 450-475 More DAM: 75-82.5 (350 Charged) Better Accuracy (better than current, but still worse than ScP. GalAssaultV should make it slightly more accurate than ScP.) ScP More RoF: 425-450 Smaller Mag: 6(11 at PRO) FlaP More Radius BoP I honestly don't even know. I used it once. Didn't like. I'm not even sure if its broken, tbh. Personally I think that the RoF on the Scrambler Pistol is alright and I use a Breach ScP, but I can agree to less shots per battery if I get a higher RoF. (I used Burst ScP before the nerf, but I was not aware of the nerf until after I switched). The Bolt Pistol is fine, It's just a unique weapon that requires an operator who will account for this (otherwise it is difficult to hit with). [Edit: If anything the Bolt Pistol could use a slightly quicker spool-up time.] Flaylock Pistol is slightly UP, let's make sure that it gets buffed, but not too much. Ion Pistol is a joke, imo it needs a greater absolute range as well.
VikingKong iBUN G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 114	Posted - 2014.07.08 19:13:00 - [13] - Quote Minmatar guns are not supposed to be inaccurate. Where the hell do people get these ridiculous ideas?


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