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Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1865	Posted - 2014.06.30 20:42:00 - [1] - Quote True Adamance wrote: INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Hakyou Brutor wrote: Hey, do you anti-tank guys (not av guys, there's a difference) who constantly want tanks to be nerfed even know what its like to tank? It's fcking horrible. You asked for tanks to be nerfed cause you were too lazy to get off your *, pick up a forge or swarm launcher, and kill us. No, instead you went on the forums and cried like a bunch of btches, now my 15 mil SP I have into tanks is completely fcked. It's not that I'm a sht tanker, cause even the best tanker in the game can't kill a forger 20 meters in front of him cause the dispersion is soo bad. That is the problem. No matter how skilled you are, or how much SP you have, there is no way to kill anything more than 10 meters away from you. The ONLY place tanks have in PC anymore is as counter tanks. Imagine you fired your gun directly at someones head and it went literally everywhere except your target. Tanking: officially the least fun role. I'm actually all cool with being an AV platform. I personally think that's primarily what HAV should be. The Highest tier and most powerful AV units on the battlefield. That's why I would like to think that all forms of vehicle would be encouraged to be placed on the field to that Tanks can become a viable and regular play style. Not only this but I would like to think in Legion Tanks could have a designated role and or certain actions they can perform to aid in the combat so that their inclusion in battles is more tactical the power based. Issue is though that Hakyou is right. HAV operation is not enjoyable. Rails have arbitrary range restictions that do not make sense, combat is relegated to shot range brawls with no long range options, vehicles have constant fast regeneration encouraging a hit, run, and regen rather than longer battles and tactical module use. Additionally modules and fittings have be dumbed down so much there are so few viable tank builds or options for combat vehicles..... I have no issue with Tanks being unable to directly and easily engage infantry with their large turrets I think that is great and makes incentive for tankers to fit and use secondarly light turret gunners, or to run with squads for protection. That In my mind is how it should be. Personally I'd be all for tanks having greater HP but less regen, or slower regen. 300 meters isnt long range? Dude its a ***** Railgun..... most large calibre projectile weapons can fire 800m +..... a mass accelerated rail round would go for miles. 300m is short range in comparison. However this is a game and people are such whining gits they couldn't handle realism....... Except in RL the battlefields aren't held within redlines. Basically your "realism" on a rail in Dust would equate to rail tanks having access to the entire battlefield from any vantage point. Rail sniping from one redline into the other redline, IRL, would be: fires bunker buster from Taiwan, takes out military base in North Dakota .5 seconds later. That's not happening. TL;DR: Balance before Realism. We've been saying it since closed beta, and they are finally listening. You want realism, go play BF. Dis be Sci-Fi, yo. Edit: Didn't look who said that before responding.... that's not a comment I've come to expect from you True.... are you okay? PSN ID: AlbelNox2569** Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1865	Posted - 2014.06.30 22:10:00 - [2] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Just concerned that players whining will cost HAV their potential of having a designated role and place on the battlefield. Thats not to say I don't appreciate the concerns of Dropshippers etc...... but why in other games do Tanks feel like powerful engines of war and Dusts feel sterile and broken as all hell? I'm against HAV Large Turret being Anti Infantry effective.... I would like to see HAVers having their own over arcing goals that bring them into contact with infantry but don't wholly unbalance their combat and give HAV their own objectives to fulfil to aid the team. I cannot fault any of that, I agree wholeheartedly. A few random points I would like to make that I feel would improve the vehicle experience: If CCP could bump the player count up to 24v24, having 5 tanks on the field wouldn't feel as unbalanced. Balance vehicle vs vehicle combat FIRST, then you look at AV vs vehicle. The large turrets vs the other vehicles and the other vehicles vs tanks, that needs to be in balance. Then you can start scaling AV up and down to make it viable. Small blaster turrets need to be fixed since they are the only small turret useless against infantry, the other two can already 2 shot most suits at MLT level. This gives tankers a reason to have gunners and fit small turrets, and I've already begun to notice a lot more tankers doing this recently with the rails and missiles. Your tank CAN be a slaying machine, but you as the tanker are not the slayer but the support and AV for your gunners. If vehicle count were separated into # deployable per class (3 LAV/3 DS/3 Tank just for example) it would help those who spec into certain vehicles be able to call in what they run easier without 5 noobs in MLT LAV's sucking up all of the RDV slots before you can spawn in. Priority in vehicle balancing should be placed on finding a way for Tank turrets v tank to be balanced with Rail v DS/ADS. It doesn't matter AS much with LAV's since LAV's v turrets are relatively in a good spot. LRTs and LMTs should be able to look up almost 90 degrees so they can fight flying vehicles better, but they should not be able to look down below base level (straight ahead). The damage of a fully specced rail with damage mods should 2-3 piece a fully tanked and specced ADS and 3-4 piece a fully tanked and specced DS, but the RoF should be low enough that pilots have time to realize they are taking damage and take counter measures if they have fast enough reflexes. The RoF on rails needs to be taken into account just as much as the damage when balancing. As for tanks having their own roles, I wrote a post a while back about that.... let's see here... Baal Omniscient wrote: In a perfect world we would have gates up in roadways with high HP that tanks could knock down to allow infantry through, AI or capsuleer operated drones would be flying around attacking the other team's infantry that the tanks could fight against, and limits would be put on where vehicles could be spawned to prevent tower rail sniping. Objectives would hold strategic value. Points would not only control Null cannons, but also operate weaponry that auto-fired on troops moving up, requiring a tank to push in on it, using itself as a shield for troops hiding behind it! And other points would control AV weaponry that required infantry to push on it so that vehicles could get close and crash in the gate for them! Towers would scrape the sky and the capture point would be in the center, allowing you to push from the bottom or fly to the top and fight your way down! Battles on seas of lava set up on huge harvesting rigs where the battlefield breaks apart under you as you fight to gain control of the rig for you alliance's harvesting rights! Perhaps those of you moving to Legion might see all of that one day... If only, right? Anyway, I'm with you on that 100%. It's just not likely we'll see that in Dust.... PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0

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