You're confusing probing ships with scouts - they aren't, interceptors and their parallels as well as ships like interdictors are the scouts of eve, and they have lowish health, they can punch above their weight and they are lightning fast.

And the term 'scout' in dust is really a colloquial misnomer, they should probably called 'operatives', the scouts united channel refers to caldari scouts as 'wardens' and the gallente scouts as 'ghosts' which really describes what they do, I haven't heard their description of amarr or matari scouts though. Combat scouts are an entirely different role in dust than the covert ops ships in eve.

Eve Online scouts are nothing like in Dust. they have no ability to tank. no ability to deal significant damage or dps. They are slow and fragile. They are meant for moving around unseen, gathering information about enemy strength and locations.

Dust scouts on the other hand, are fast, deal the same damage as any other class, and have the ability to tank. This is all while they can move unseen, gathering info about the enemy.

There is something wrong with the translation of the definition of a scout between Dust and Eve.

Eve define scouts as fragile units meant for stealth and info gathering, clearly not designed for combat. At no point has Eve ever had a combat focused scout unit. They maintain a division of power. any unit capable of revealing an enemy and tracking them down, isnt not also able to effectively engage that same target.

Dust believes scouts should be able to quickly track down a target then also destroy it. theres no counter to cloaks in dust like there is in Eve either. In Dust, even if youre standing on an enemies head, jumping up and down and tea bagging him, you wont decloak. Eve doesnt allow that. Getting to close to anything while cloak will disable the cloak.

The ability of scouts in Dust to deal exactly the same dps as any other suit class can be compared to an old horror from Eve's early days. At one point in Eve, all missile launchers were exactly the same size. It didnt matter that cruise missiles were meant for larger targets, nothing kept a small frigate from fitting them. Thats exactly what happened too. The Caldari Kestrel frigate would mount 4 cruise missile launchers and fly around at speeds no one could match, with a weapon system with more range than any other, dealing damage the that was more the the ship itself could take in one shot. If you saw this ship floating in space, you were dead and there was nothing you could do about it.

Dust scouts are the same way. If you see a scout, youre screwed. you cant see him on your radar, you cant see him if he cloaks, you cant outrun him, and more often than not he will always get the first shot in.

How does that contribute to a role meant for gathering info and being stealthy?

Ask an Eve dev why Assault ships cant have covert ops cloaks. He'll tell you it'd be OP.

Ask an Eve dev why scout ships cant have the same dps as assault ships. He'll tell you it'd be OP.

Dust needs division of power.

The reason they don't behave like RL scouts is because they can't laser paint your ass for air strikes and artillery while they hide from retaliation.

How a first recon team operates compared to spy planes....
Ok so im guessing you dont build starships using the same characteristics as a scout tropper,

What works tactically and strategically in "naval simulation," which eve very loosely is, rarely translates well to infantry. The reason scouts don't act like eve scouts is the dust scouts cannot light a cyno and teleport a squad of fatties and tanks on top of you.

The reason they don't behave like RL scouts is because they can't laser paint your ass for air strikes and artillery while they hide from retaliation.

and no, for the record, I cannot freaking type

Take it up with CCP allowing every suit to equip any weapon they want.

Scouts with AR/CR/ScR/RR are bullpoop. Give'em shottys, knives and snipers(and side arms) and the suit becomes balanced.

Eve Online scouts are nothing like in Dust. they have no ability to tank. no ability to deal significant damage or dps. They are slow and fragile. They are meant for moving around unseen, gathering information about enemy strength and locations.

...Stuff...

Dust needs division of power.

I've said it before and no doubt I'll say it again. This isn't Eve and trying to directly transplant Eve concepts into the game is ridiculous.

The reason scouts in Dust aren't the same as scout ships is Eve is the same reason i can't fit 15m3 of drones in my hull and my angular momentum is negligible. We're not a spaceships. PEW PEW!

comparing an MMO/RPG to an FPS and trying to make them identical is priceless

I'm sorry but you really cannot compare scouts in dust to anything in EVE. The gameplay is totally different, the way scanning and target acquisition works in both games is vastly different. Not to mention the fact that the battlefield landscape is also totally different.

Like others have said, do you mean a probing covert ops or do you mean 'ceptors etc... there are many different niches in EVE that do not exist in DUST unfortunately.

according to the in game description ccp wrote for scouts, they should be functioning more like probing covert ops.

Take it up with CCP allowing every suit to equip any weapon they want.

Scouts with AR/CR/ScR/RR are bullpoop. Give'em shottys, knives and snipers(and side arms) and the suit becomes balanced.

Plenty of scouts still run the role as it was intended. Not as light assaults, but as squishy light frames that die in an instant to anything with more firepower than an Ion Pistol. My favorite Minmatar scout fits generally have around 270 shielding and 87 armor, and that's with the armor and shielding skills increased, and I use them for scouting. It's unlikely to ever be stopped as long as choice exists, people are going to take the easiest route when available, so unless CCP takes one of the selling points of this game away completely, there are always going to be people who abuse the mechanics...

For example... I run a Minmatar Heavy suit with two kincats and precision enhancers. I have an HMG though... should I be allowed to outrun assaults, have more health than most of them, and have the most powerful weapon in the game?

The terms "scout" is not listed in the ship category on eve online. What you refer are either covert ops ships or a n00b ship with a 1 day alt which is looking if there is a gatecamp ahead.

In EVE there are many more types of frigates, all of which have special roles. In dust we have one scout per race, meaning we have to use our suits for multiple roles.

Also in EVE, large ships have a disadvantage against smaller ships because of speed, signature radius, weapon tracking, ect.

In EVE I have killed many cruisers, battlecruises and even a few battleships with a frigate because once you get under their guns and kill their drones they are fuked if they don't have a neutralizer.

Yet in Dust an hmg heavy can instakill scouts, and medium frames and any heavy with less SP invested. Dust is alot less balanced than EVE is.

What works tactically and strategically in "naval simulation," which eve very loosely is, rarely translates well to infantry. The reason scouts don't act like eve scouts is the dust scouts cannot light a cyno and teleport a squad of fatties and tanks on top of you.

The reason they don't behave like RL scouts is because they can't laser paint your ass for air strikes and artillery while they hide from retaliation.

and no, for the record, I cannot freaking type

So let me get this straight: You want Scouts to be:

1: Slow

2: no weapons or equipment at all, unless it is Scout equipment

Denied.

So let me get this straight: You want Scouts to be:

1: Slow

2: no weapons or equipment at all, unless it is Scout equipment

Denied.

Um.... pretty sure the stealth bombers from eve are like our dust scouts.

Mmmmm. I'd read that again... In your case I'd read it over about 20 times.

Suits need to have divisions of power
- This means that different modules need to have different penalties according to which suit uses them.
--AKA individual penalties, such as scout suits get a 2x speed reduction penalty for using plates/ shields, or a blanket penalty such as a damage reduction for increasing their health over certain limits (for all classes).

Weapons need better divisions as well
- Rapid fire guns should have FAR more recoil when used by scouts, due to there being fewer power servos in the suit to make them lighter... Possibly even enough recoil, that if you held it down, it would actively pull the reticule in a random direction. This would naturally reduce the ability to use rapid fire weaponry, and make them less effective than assaults without touching the weapon stats.
or
-Light weapons get separated into high and low power variants (as in rapid fire requires more suit compensation so high power, and self contained guns with no suit compensation are low power) Then suits get segregated according to which power class they have access to.

What else?