Humble Seeker
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Posted - 2014.06.28 16:39:00 -
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Brokerib wrote:DeathwindRising wrote:Eve Online scouts are nothing like in Dust. they have no ability to tank. no ability to deal significant damage or dps. They are slow and fragile. They are meant for moving around unseen, gathering information about enemy strength and locations.
Dust scouts on the other hand, are fast, deal the same damage as any other class, and have the ability to tank. This is all while they can move unseen, gathering info about the enemy.
There is something wrong with the translation of the definition of a scout between Dust and Eve.
Eve define scouts as fragile units meant for stealth and info gathering, clearly not designed for combat. At no point has Eve ever had a combat focused scout unit. They maintain a division of power. any unit capable of revealing an enemy and tracking them down, isnt not also able to effectively engage that same target.
Dust believes scouts should be able to quickly track down a target then also destroy it. theres no counter to cloaks in dust like there is in Eve either. In Dust, even if youre standing on an enemies head, jumping up and down and tea bagging him, you wont decloak. Eve doesnt allow that. Getting to close to anything while cloak will disable the cloak.
The ability of scouts in Dust to deal exactly the same dps as any other suit class can be compared to an old horror from Eve's early days. At one point in Eve, all missile launchers were exactly the same size. It didnt matter that cruise missiles were meant for larger targets, nothing kept a small frigate from fitting them. Thats exactly what happened too. The Caldari Kestrel frigate would mount 4 cruise missile launchers and fly around at speeds no one could match, with a weapon system with more range than any other, dealing damage the that was more the the ship itself could take in one shot. If you saw this ship floating in space, you were dead and there was nothing you could do about it.
Dust scouts are the same way. If you see a scout, youre screwed. you cant see him on your radar, you cant see him if he cloaks, you cant outrun him, and more often than not he will always get the first shot in.
How does that contribute to a role meant for gathering info and being stealthy?
Ask an Eve dev why Assault ships cant have covert ops cloaks. He'll tell you it'd be OP.
Ask an Eve dev why scout ships cant have the same dps as assault ships. He'll tell you it'd be OP.
Dust needs division of power. I've said it before and no doubt I'll say it again. This isn't Eve and trying to directly transplant Eve concepts into the game is ridiculous. The reason scouts in Dust aren't the same as scout ships is Eve is the same reason i can't fit 15m3 of drones in my hull and my angular momentum is negligible. We're not a spaceships. PEW PEW!
You're right...to an extent.
Shotguns scouts are still a plague on DUST.
You know the last game to give a cloaking class shotguns? It was Planetside 2. And shotgun infiltrators quickly became came the most goddamn annoying and exploitable thing in the game.
Sound familiar?
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Humble Seeker
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Posted - 2014.06.29 01:19:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:I'm sorry but you really cannot compare scouts in dust to anything in EVE. The gameplay is totally different, the way scanning and target acquisition works in both games is vastly different. Not to mention the fact that the battlefield landscape is also totally different.
Like others have said, do you mean a probing covert ops or do you mean 'ceptors etc... there are many different niches in EVE that do not exist in DUST unfortunately. according to the in game description ccp wrote for scouts, they should be functioning more like probing covert ops.
Oh, but Scouts do probe.
With shotguns.
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