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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:37:00 -
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This is my current suit. I run Gal Commando for the Suit Bonuses and because, well, I'm Gallente.
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- STD Gal Commando G-1 (3k)
- Militia Scrambler Rifle (.6k)
- Breach Assault Rifle (2k)
- Militia Kin Cat (.4k)
- Militia Stamina Recovery/Booster (.4k)
- Militia Repair Tool (.4k)
Around 7.5k, but I don't do math that well. Run ambush most of the time, get 15 average in Ambush and 20 in Ambush OMS
Quote:Skills that I have that relate to this:
- Maxed dropsuit upgrade skills except for Biotics
- Gallente Heavy Suits lvl 3, Gallente Commando Suits lvl 3
- AR Max Level + Max Proficiency
- ScR Max Level + Lvl 1 Proficiency
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:42:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Why are you stacking Scrambler Rifles on this suit?
You are ignoring you racial bonuses and not receiving anything for it. in doing so you become significantly less effective than even a basic Amarr Commando.
Look into Plasma Cannon, Shotguns, and Burst and Tactical Assault Rifles. All gain the damage bonus to plasma hybrid weapons, and have, now, we well defined roles.
TAR cost an arm and a leg. Its all about what you use well, and well, I used to use ScR's full time. So I'm still good at using them, and figured skill would override racial bonus.
PLC is good, but feels clunky and ineffective on a Commando, I've always used it with a scout that runs 8+m/s and had good effect with it...but I'll consider this again.
I haven't checked out shotguns yet. Will do. Thanks True :3
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:axINVICTUSxa wrote:[quote=True Adamance] If that was the case, and I can understand aesthetic and lore driven selection, what did you not roll with the Amarr Commando. Additionally you have selected 2 of the same type of weapon..... perhaps if you explain a little more about how you play or wish to play the Commando I can provide a bit better feed back. Additionally I would suggest Plasma weapons since you can pick up AR and Plasma Canon on the cheap these days. I do wish to point out the Burst AR does on a Lvl 5 Gallente Commando almost 750 DPSd and a Plasma Cannon gains an extra 150-200 damage per blob. Consider that that bonus to damage is one of your best assets as a Commando.
Ah, I see now.
Most of the time I give fire support so that my squad can move around and flank with ease, and yet at the same time not be as bogged down as a full on Sentinel.
About two of the same weapon I am slightly confused, Comrade True. I often replace TAR with ScR depending on what and where my engagements are. BAR I always keep on my Commando. I often use BAR as my ARR but with racial bonuses + no charge to shoot time.
However, I do sense sage advice and will take into account the effort that you provided here already and as thus will make sure it does not go to waste :3
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:54:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I can't really speak for your play style (honestly the entire fitting looks ****** up to me), but I can give you some basic pointers-
-Drop the kincat and cardiac reg; replace them with reps
-Unless you're hell-bent on the scrambler+AR combo, get rid of the scrambler and get either a rail rifle or a plasma cannon (depending on whether you want to be a mid-range specialist or a CQC specialist)
-Unless you're hell-bent on the repair tool thing, replace it with nanohives.
I understand the Kincat + Cardiac Reg, will replace with reps.
However, Comrade McBob, although I deeply respect you I cannot agree--don't you think BREACH Assault Rifle is the new Rail Rifle? There's no charge time, and higher damage, and without Railgun recoil.
Repair tool is just to earn extra points if I'm with heavies. But true, the nanohives will allow me to run solo.
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:58:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I can't really speak for your play style (honestly the entire fitting looks ****** up to me), but I can give you some basic pointers-
-Drop the kincat and cardiac reg; replace them with reps
-Unless you're hell-bent on the scrambler+AR combo, get rid of the scrambler and get either a rail rifle or a plasma cannon (depending on whether you want to be a mid-range specialist or a CQC specialist)
-Unless you're hell-bent on the repair tool thing, replace it with nanohives. Basically my suggestions. A proper Gallente fit is more than a match for anything that can be thrown at it. Roll-up fast, hit hard, fortify, hunker down, and rep through anything that comes back at you. Gallente Gk.0 1 Plate 2 Complex Reps 1 Damage Module (I'm assuming a 1/3 fit) Allotek Triage (I think its called) Nanohive Allotek Burst Rifle Proto Plasma Cannon. All up you get some nice Reps with maxed skills to about 15 per second, plus your Nanohive not to mention a 15% increase to damage output due to damage module coupled with maxed Commando Skills.
Ahh I see many thanks!!! This seems a great idea for a proto-fit (which I have not at the moment). Will run with this, I have been enlightened.
Although I probably will not change my cheap fit and leave as is :3
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:06:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:axINVICTUSxa wrote:True Adamance wrote:axINVICTUSxa wrote:[quote=True Adamance] If that was the case, and I can understand aesthetic and lore driven selection, what did you not roll with the Amarr Commando. Additionally you have selected 2 of the same type of weapon..... perhaps if you explain a little more about how you play or wish to play the Commando I can provide a bit better feed back. Additionally I would suggest Plasma weapons since you can pick up AR and Plasma Canon on the cheap these days. I do wish to point out the Burst AR does on a Lvl 5 Gallente Commando almost 750 DPSd and a Plasma Cannon gains an extra 150-200 damage per blob. Consider that that bonus to damage is one of your best assets as a Commando. Ah, I see now. Most of the time I give fire support so that my squad can move around and flank with ease, and yet at the same time not be as bogged down as a full on Sentinel. About two of the same weapon I am slightly confused, Comrade True. I often replace TAR with ScR depending on what and where my engagements are. BAR I always keep on my Commando. I often use BAR as my ARR but with racial bonuses + no charge to shoot time. However, I do sense sage advice and will take into account the effort that you provided here already and as thus will make sure it does not go to waste :3 You are doing your role right. Fire Support and Suppression is how Aero taught me to think, but I'll only suggest to you that your fire support role can be achieved with, if not better, Gallente tech. However if you prefer to be at long range then I would have suggested the Caldari or Amarr Commandos. Basically as I see it the Gall Commando is more agressive, closer ranged, but puts out more raw fire power being able to support the squad at medium Range as well as during assaults at close range. Also consider that the strength of a Commando does not lie in its capacity to fit two weapons which damage different tanking types (aka- you are not strong because you can fit an SCR and a Combat Rifle) your strength lies in your ability to select weapons that compliment one another in establishing your base of fire as well as providing an adaptable hull for potential AV combat. E.G- My Amarr Ak.0 Fit consists of Amarr Ak.0 Viziam Laser Rifle Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle My Plates, Repair Units, and Damage Modules Wyrkomi Nanite Injector My build allows me to dominate long to medium range engagement while relying on my ASCR in close ranged combat. while taking full advantage of the damage bonuses.
I see. In this case I might as well have been born Amarrian--I already have maxed out prof and leveling for LR, and up to Prof 1 on ScR.
But if I were merely to copy you, Comrade True, what then do I become? A copycat, a fake of True Adamance that can never be as good as the real.
No, that cannot, that should not be. I will take your advice, treat it like the sage words they are, apply it to my suit, and become the person and individual that would make your advice shine through my actions.
Thank you, Comrade True. I have been inspired and enlightened today, and I thank all else who have participated in this thread.
Spasiba.
-Invictus
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:07:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I updated my post (post #3) with my advice. Quite a lengthy read but I wanted to make sure I covered everything I viewed as critical to any aspiring commando.
Many thanks!
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:18:00 -
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Quote:Ok, you're definitely approaching the suit all wrong. Firstly, I see a lot of militia. The name of the game isn't how cheap you can make your fit, it's how cost effective you can make it. The Commando suit especially is one of those suits where invested extra ISK into quality weapons and modules will result in much better performance meaning less deaths and more straight profit!
I see. Although my suit already performs quite well (15/4 or 20/5, whether its Ambush or Ambush OMS on average), I can see how having better equipment can allow me to get even better ratios. In longer matches, this would be even more so.
Quote:Next your weapon choices. At first I thought maybe you were going for different damage profiles, but even then the Assault Rifle and SCR are both shield oriented. And really you don't want to be picking weapons based on damage profiles anyways, you want to pick based on complimentary ranges and try to stick within your racial bonuses. So if you are going Gallente, I'd either try for Assault Rifle and Plasma Cannon if you are a good shot or Assault Rifle and Shotgun and try to stick to enclosed areas.
Heh heh although I'm already 22.6 mil SP into the game, even this I did not know my Damage Profiles; always thought that AR was armor oriented. But I see your point, maybe I'll pick up RR since Gal Commando gets bonuses on it, I think. Although one reason I haven't done this already is that my RR is at Lvl 4 without proficiency, while my AR is maxed out Proficiency.
Quote:Another note on the default charge scrambler rifle, as much as I love it I avoid it on my commandos. This is just a preference, but I find even maxed out it cannot dish out enough damage to kill a lot of suits before overheating. This is fine on the Amarr Assault with the heat reduction or even any other medium or light suit that is coupled with a sidearm to help finish things off (as most sidearms will have about the same range as a scrambler rifle), but if you are going to take advantage of the ability to carry two light weapons and pick weapons with complimentary ranges, your second light weapon may not necessarily serve as a great finisher like sidearms, so I stick with assault scrambler rifles on my commandos.
Hmm, I didn't think about this. This is true, I find myself overheating a lot, and often times ducking behind cover because of an overheat, while a blueberry might steal my kill--and sometimes, the raspberry runs away. I see why using a ScR with this layout may not be a good idea.
Quote:As far as the equipment goes, definitely ditch the repair tool. If you are repairing someone that means you don't have any of your guns out and there goes your suits main advantage. And trust me, one you max your skills out you will be much more beneficial to your team in a fire fight but shooting back at the enemies opposed to trying to keep someone up. I'd swap that out for a nanite injector. The reason is because if you are carrying two light weapons with complimentary ranges than you are the ideal suit to clear enemies off downed teammates, also reviving someone only takes a split second and you are back to firing your guns, and (I know this is going to sound bad) your newly revived teammate can provide an excellent distraction and/or shield to help you take out the enemy. Most importantly though Commandos work great in squads with other Commandos, so if you both carry needles and keep each other alive it is more useful than any other equipment.
Main role of a Commando as Fire Support, I see. I didn't think about Needles there, but will definitely think about it. If I run solo I might take Comrade True's opinion on taking a Nanohive (R) with me.
Quote:Onto skills, I suggest getting your Armor Upgrades and Shield Upgrades to 4 first. Then get get your armor repairers to 5, you'll want to be running complex repairers even on your advanced fits. Then pick either the PLC and Shotgun and get that up, save your scrambler rifle for other fits or skill into Amarr Commando. Then get your weapon's ammo capacity and rapid reload to at least 3 but preferrably 4. Then max out your Commando skill for full bonuses, then add other skills like Dropsuit Biotic Upgrades, and finally work on maxing out all the related skills you started.
Already maxed out DS Upgrades except for Biotics, thats the only reason I'm running Militia Kin Cats + Cardiac Regs.
Comrade Aero...you and Comrade True have inspired me in the ways of the Commando. I will forever work hard with both of your advice in mind! Many thanks!
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:19:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
Meh my fit is a carbon Copy of Aero's except I like gank over tank.
But Aero is my alt so its all cool.
The confusion is real.
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:27:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:If full prof in galmando and ar ide go:
std galmando
Gek
Basic ar
M1
Adv scanner
2 x prof damp.
If you cant make isk with that....
*blinks* since my current fit only costs me 7.5k, I only spend about 30k a match while getting in return about 170-200k, after Corp taxes.
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:34:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:axINVICTUSxa wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I can't really speak for your play style (honestly the entire fitting looks ****** up to me), but I can give you some basic pointers-
-Drop the kincat and cardiac reg; replace them with reps
-Unless you're hell-bent on the scrambler+AR combo, get rid of the scrambler and get either a rail rifle or a plasma cannon (depending on whether you want to be a mid-range specialist or a CQC specialist)
-Unless you're hell-bent on the repair tool thing, replace it with nanohives. I understand the Kincat + Cardiac Reg, will replace with reps. However, Comrade McBob, although I deeply respect you I cannot agree--don't you think BREACH Assault Rifle is the new Rail Rifle? There's no charge time, and higher damage, and without Railgun recoil. Repair tool is just to earn extra points if I'm with heavies. But true, the nanohives will allow me to run solo. I'm saying the rail rifle because of range
And ScR does not have that range?
At any rate, I have decided to follow Comrade True and Aero's footsteps and suggestions. There way of the Commando seems right and noble, and at any rate I have decided to not let them or their advice down.
Right now I do not matter...but all that matters is when any of us meets up on the battlefield--whether we fight honorably as opponents or bravely as comrades.
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:36:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:
Excellent work, grasshopper. You identification of false commandos is improving.
The bagging is real. I respect Comrade Aero and True equally, however, and have no favorites :3
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.27 01:05:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:axINVICTUSxa wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:
Excellent work, grasshopper. You identification of false commandos is improving.
The bagging is real. I respect Comrade Aero and True equally, however, and have no favorites :3 Hmm, maybe if you really want to follow in our footsteps I can try a little experiment and see if True Adamance is ready to graduate as an official AA Master Commando (AA = Aero Approved). If you wish to join our ranks, I shall make True Adamance your Sensei and you his grasshopper.
Gladly, the honor is mine :3
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Posted - 2014.06.27 01:08:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:So much Amarr in this thread.
Eugh Amarr's Leader: Jamyl SarumGallente's Leader: Jacus RodenWhich one is "Eugh" now? The Amarr, that ass is infected. Amarr- Only faction led by a badass, super empowered lesbian, with the unique ability to scare the living **** out of any and every man she comes into contact with, not to mention all them Terran super weapons..... she seems to be able to find. Gallente- Faction led by a U-nat arms dealing, stick of an old man, so ugly and without swag not even the whores on Caille will touch him.
O.o The Amarr faction is led by a Lesbian?
Pardon me, but my young Russian bones do not allow me to serve under such a leader. Or at the very least, are somewhat opposed to the ideas that such a leader might come forthwith. No matter--a great leader is not determined by one's sexuality but rather the wisdom and intelligence he or she can procure and apply, in my opinion.
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Posted - 2014.06.27 04:46:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Mine and True's leadership isn't even remotely comparable to that of the great Empress Jamyl. She has the commanding presence of divinity. The mere sight of her grace strikes the enemies in fear, her elegant whispers deafen the enemies' roar.
Ahh, your loyalty towards your Empress and your cause is admirable, and justly so. Aye, so admirable that a manly young man like myself is humbled and brought to tears.
Many of the Federatsii have long since grown dis-illusioned with the subtle corruption of our leadership.
If I may:
Quote:The only blood that defines a man's race and allegiance is the blood of the cause he fights for and the blood he spills in fighting--subsequently sacrificing--for that cause.
I will gladly give my life for those who are worthy. Regrettably, I must admit I learned this only through the sacrifice of one worthier than me, in exchange for my petty life. It is a long story that the Scout Union and Brotherhood knows only about. But I bring not the troubles of the real world, the conflicts, the wars, into this one.
Comrade True and Comrade Aero, my allegiance falls with the two of you now and with the Commando Code. May I flourish under your leadership and guidance.
Wherever the Wind (Aero) might take me, may it ever be True, for the way of the Commando is noble and right.
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axINVICTUSxa
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Posted - 2014.06.28 06:50:00 -
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I see the light. Everything that Comrade True and Comrade Aero said was right. GK-13 Burst and GB-9 Breach combo + double reps gave me a 15-0 victory in Ambush (50 kills) for the very first time in a month.
Thank you, Senseis. The advice is golden. My advice to any other Commando aspiring to join the noble Brotherhood ought to take their advice at full face value.
Wherever the Wind (Aero) might take me, may it ever be True, for the way of the Commando is noble and right.
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