Honestly, scouts were complaining before that they had NO regen, mainly on Armor, requiring a logi.

The 3/s i feel is fine, but the assault needs a buff, maybe to 4 or 5/s, keeping it as 'slightly more regenerative' than a Scout.

Make shield delays 1s longer than the assault, eg 3/4 Seconds on Caldari Assault, 4/5 on Scout.

IMO, Assaults need better regen than Scouts/basic meds, but needs to not be monstrous.

I don't think the issue with assault is the fact that scouts regen to fast(the assault do need faster regen just not scout level). The problem lies within how much HP the scouts has and how easy a scout can equip 1 of the 4 Racial Rifles,

I am working on a post now. I believe the best way to make a role for the assault player is to make them the RifleMen of Dust. They would give up the least amount of thing in order to fit one of the 4 rifles we have. Hopefully I will have my post done tonight. I believe we can balance the assault by changing the CPU/PG of a couple of modules along with smaller tweaks to the suits. If we limit the HP potential of the scout better then we can ensure the assault carves a niche between scouts and commandos.

Yes they are tanking because it works. I am suggesting we limit their stacking of hit points not reduce their regen. Even with my vision the Assault still needs a boost to regen just not become better then scouts. A scout needs to pop in hit you with a high alpha weapon and disappear. they need the high regen to fight like this. They do not need the 400-600 hit points.

Assaults need the 2% damage per level that commandos have. Commandos are changed to 20% increased magazine and max ammo capacity per level.

Assaults need a bonus that benefits their weapon, and a bonus that benefits their racial tank.

These examples are to illustrate a point.

Assault skill: 2% light/sidearm damage per level.

Amarr: 5% laser weaponry heat buildup and 5% armor plate efficiency per level
Caldari: 5% decreased reload of hybrid - rail weaponry and 5% efficiency to shield extenders per level
Gallente: 5% decreased hybrid - blaster weaponry kick and 5% efficiency to armor repairers per level
Minmatar: 10% increased projectile/explosive weapon magazine size and 10% efficiency to shield rechargers per level

This makes assaults a general purpose slayer suit, good at dealing damage with some staying power, but not near as much as heavies. Change bonuses as needed (personally I'd make minmatar have increased damage mod efficiency instead of recharger) to balance, but the idea remains. One racial weapon bonus, and one racial tank bonus.

My idea is to limit scout to 2 sidearms. Their job isn't to kill, its to scout and relay Intel. The sidearms allow it to defend itself long enough to break contact and escape.

Now assaults deal more damage, and scouts can't play as slayers.

I don't think regen on a scout should matter...

they should be dead in a few hits.

scouts should not have any shield or armor tank.... they are speed tankers (or should be).

a scout who is seen should be a dead scout. an unseen scout however should be a deadly scout...

I was against making cloaks less "cloaky" I think they should be invisible to all but scans. and I think they should move much quicker.
but a proto scout should die from a few shots from an std rifle, and 1/4 of a shotgun blast.

right now scouts do the assaults job better than the assault should be able to do it.

****** idea beyond sh*t.

Changing the Recharge rate or delay of the scout will only cause Caldari Scouts to become Gallenete brick tank scouts. Who can still scan down your assault suit or make the scout suit disappear from the battle field. Lets look at some examples I see playing out.

Scout 1 has high regen and low hit points.
He does his job and sneak behind your team and shotguns someone in the back. You hear the shot turn and hit him a few times. The scout breaks combat and tries to escape. His high recharge allow him to gain back some of that life back so he can take another hit from you before finding cover or disappearing.

Scout 2 has lower then assault regen and low hit points(he attempting to be a scout)
He does his job and sneak behind your team and shotguns someone in the back and hits you with a couple of smg bullets. You hear the shot turn and hit him a few times. Now he can try to break combat and run away, but you regen faster then he does so it benefits you if combat is broken, He could stay an fight and attempt to out last you with inferior hit points but will most likely die. If he runs you can pursue him and put the last bullet in him before he finds cover.

Scout 3 has lower then assault regen and high hit points(Scout 2 learned to not be a scout)
He does his job and sneak up behind your team. Guns down you squad mate with his CR and starts hitting you. You return fire. Now Scout 3 already knows it more beneficial to you if combat breaks so he in it for the long haul and is fully plated up. Due to the plates their is a marginal difference between your Hit points and scout got the drop on you. Your losing the hit point war so you try to break combat to make use of your high regen but the scout is faster then you and it not going to let you escape. You die.

Example 1
Scout 1 was rewarded for playing his role and feels good about the choices he made. And in this case even if he didn't find cover he probably blames himself for dying.

Example 2
Scout 2 receive no reward for doing playing his role. Yes he killed a guy but he can't escape from you.

Example 3
Scout 3 was able to gun down 2 people because it was better for him to play like an assault and tank up due to not having high regen. He also learned the using niche weapon that require position are not worth the effort and instead sticks solely to the Rifles. Scout 3 wants to fight like scout 1 but if he tries he ends up being like scout 2. So Scout 3 become an assault scout so he can still enjoy the game.


The biggest issue that we have balancing suits is the CPU and PG cost of modules. Look at the scout, it is easier to fit armor plates and shield regulators in a low slot then it is to fit Kin Cats and Code breakers. Its cheaper to fit Combat rifles then shotguns. Why regulate yourself to an intended role when you can equip more stuff by acting like an assault.


(I would like to thank everyone this has been a good discussion on the matter)

Meh I'm not the best critic for god but I'll troll all day let's let bojo explain it he's a better explainer thingy p.S he's better then me

This is why (among other reasons) the Assault role needs to be defined by it's gank not it's tank. Give Assault suits a damage push that's native to the suit.

Nerfing scouts will no more make the Assault viable than nerfing Logi will make the assault viable. Even nerfting both will just mean that the heavy suits become the only worth while option.
Assault suits need both love and uniqueness, Without making them excel within a niche (LW dps output) they will remain in contention with too many other suits because of their current status as 'mid-range generalists'.

Revisiting balance after the assault suits get the touch ups they require will, in my view, be more effective than altering the scouts (or logis) before we know what changes will ultimately come to the assault suits.

Cheers,
Cross

You're not bridging the connection between low HP and fast recovery.

You can't make a light suit be the medium. Here is how things work:

Heavy - High HP - Slow Speeds - Heavy Weapons or 2 Light
Medium - Medium HP - Medium Speed - Most Slots
Light - Low HP - High Speeds - eWar

This is how things work because it's on a balance scale. Every suit has a frame weight pro, con, and specialty. Your suggestion would balance as so:

Medium - Medium HP - High Regen Speed/Medium Movement - Most Slots
Light - Low HP - Medium Regen/Fast Movement- Ewar

You end up with an imbalance. The notion of trying to suggest a method of dissuading scouts from tanking is noble however as you say you have many suits and you stand less to lose from such a suggestion. CCP has already castrated scouts by nerfing eWar instead of tanking. You want to further it and castrate our regen all in the name of nerfing tank?

If you want to nerf tank then nerf tank! Why must people suggest building a 70 mile road around the problem? Scouts should not be HP tanking so why nerf regen and eWar? If you take away regen and eWar what else is left to do but tank?

Also to end on a note of lemon zest I would agree with Cross as a good direction for the Assault to take.

I can't make you see your folly you are hell bent that the role of the Assaults is to regen. However I am not threatened by your suggestion because it will never come true. Just like 99/100 of all suggestions.