DUST Search - Minja lv5 in 600k, dear lord(or True) help me!

Jotun Izalaru wrote:

Don't use a cloak, cloaks make you stupid.

Learn patience - even if the enemy knows you're there, if you're fast enough and use the map well enough you can be too much effort to track down, and if they get careless you can punish quickly.

You absolutely should run damps because not every cal scout runs precision enhancers all the time, nor are they necessarily squadded up with your most common opponents. I usually make do with just one, i hugely recommend doubling on your speed. In a min scout you don't need cardiac regs. (maybe if you play melee-only, i run out of stamina at some inopportune moments. not often enough to warrant using one, but hey)

If it's specifically calscouts giving you trouble, bite the bullet and grab a shotty instead and play defensively until you can pop them. Seeing everything doesn't make them smart, you can easily get lucky or they can get impatient.

remember than when you see musturd or mollerz or me Cool

roll through a team racking up 40 kills, it doesn't happen because of blitzing or getting desperate to rack up points - it comes from striking at the exact right moment and letting the other team fall apart as a result. There will be dead periods, especially as you learn exactly when and who to make your move. Patience is important.

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Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1938	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:13:00 - [1] - Quote So yeah. 600k SP away, and i'm already Lv4. I even tried making a 'dampened' fitting for knives, and the best i could get was 3 damp + Ishy cloak, which is scanned by 3 precision Calscout. Currently based off of Protofits, i can run a Mk.0 with 2 Complex Kincats 1 complex Shield Regulator 2 enhanced Extenders 1 enhanced recharger Boundless CR Ishy knives No nade Compact hive Arn-18 cloak field Sadly even unbonused Focused Scans will find me, but i'll be running around at 10.38/s, running 235 shield, with 63/s recharge, and delays of 2.38/3.46. Guess that's going to be it for me. Please. Somebody convince me to proto the Basic Caldari Light, because H E L L nah am i waiting 2+ months for a scout. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11211	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:15:00 - [2] - Quote How the heck am I supposed to help you? " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1938	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:17:00 - [3] - Quote Convert me to the light! ... Anything. I want to proto all min suits(even assault) but the scout is... Ugh. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Ghost Kaisar The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 5486	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:19:00 - [4] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Convert me to the light! ... Anything. I want to proto all min suits(even assault) but the scout is... Ugh. I have no room to speak anymore, as I'll be speccing into another scout for the first time since I came here. That Crazy Minmatar Fanatic Stabbing Heavies for the Republic since Uprising 1.1 PSN: EVL_Elgost105
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 128	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:29:00 - [5] - Quote Knives are stealth/awareness first. Speed second. Try an eWar fit out with knives and SMG/assault scrambler pistol I like speed but the kinetic PG cost is too much on a Min Scout which doesn't have the juice to power them and other things.
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9861	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:32:00 - [6] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Convert me to the light! Don't do it Lynn! Unlike Amarrican'ts, you have ethics. NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher. "Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..." -HAND
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1938	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:43:00 - [7] - Quote Venerable Phage wrote: Knives are stealth/awareness first. Speed second. Try an eWar fit out with knives and SMG/assault scrambler pistol I like speed but the kinetic PG cost is too much on a Min Scout which doesn't have the juice to power them and other things. Even all damp/proto cloak is picked up by 3 precision calscout. Not worth it. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11215	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:46:00 - [8] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Convert me to the light! ... Anything. I want to proto all min suits(even assault) but the scout is... Ugh. I'll need some Vitoc, a Shock whip, and a Slave Collar! This conversion is going to be tricky! " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1457	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:47:00 - [9] - Quote I don't run kin cats on my knife fits, EWAR is more useful unless you're a maestro (i.e. Musturd). My normal pub knife fit is M/1 2 x complex precision enhancers 1 x complex shield extender 1 x complex dampener 1 x complex range amplifier ish NK standard combat rifle or smg flux grenades advanced cloak compact nano hive If I'm getting noticed too often I'll change to 2 x complex damps, but with the likelihood of death (certain) running knives, fitting a proto suit with proto knives triple dampeners and a proto cloak just isn't worth it. If two or more triple precision Cal scouts are on the field, I change to this fit. 'Templar' Sentinel A-I MH-82 Heavy Machine Gun 'Templar' Scrambler Pistol Flux grenade 2 x Militia Armor Repairers (BPO) 2 x Enhanced Heavy Weapon Damage Modifiers Because if you can't hide from a proto squad, you may as well make sure there's a good reason for it. Knowledge is power
The Eristic Dust 90210 489	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:48:00 - [10] - Quote Do it. Fast is fun. Reality is the original Rorschach. Verily! So much for all that.

OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 66	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:48:00 - [11] - Quote Personally I wouldn't even bother with the knives. Melee actually does more damage, unless you're running Sidearm Mods. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5148 Melee hits for 494 while you decloak instead of after, so they won't even hear you until it's too late. The only thing that won't die after your second melee will be a heavy, and you could use a contact grenade for panic mode.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1507	Posted - 2014.06.26 03:56:00 - [12] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: So yeah. 600k SP away, and i'm already Lv4. I even tried making a 'dampened' fitting for knives, and the best i could get was 3 damp + Ishy cloak, which is scanned by 3 precision Calscout. Currently based off of Protofits, i can run a Mk.0 with 2 Complex Kincats 1 complex Shield Regulator 2 enhanced Extenders 1 enhanced recharger Boundless CR Ishy knives No nade Compact hive Arn-18 cloak field Sadly even unbonused Focused Scans will find me, but i'll be running around at 10.38/s, running 235 shield, with 63/s recharge, and delays of 2.38/3.46. Guess that's going to be it for me. Please. Somebody convince me to proto the Basic Caldari Light, because H E L L nah am i waiting 2+ months for a scout. Could do worse could have speced Amarr "scout" Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 130	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:02:00 - [13] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Venerable Phage wrote: Knives are stealth/awareness first. Speed second. Try an eWar fit out with knives and SMG/assault scrambler pistol I like speed but the kinetic PG cost is too much on a Min Scout which doesn't have the juice to power them and other things. Even all damp/proto cloak is picked up by 3 precision calscout. Not worth it. True, but you can run many different outfits and the Calscout is a niche. I find nanohives and REs kills a lot of shotgunners :D and you let them do the work. Does it matter if you can be seen by the Calscout if you can see him too? They aren't invisible to a good eWar setup. Also the bonus to knives applies to all Min scout suits. So run an ADV suit for most occasions and escalate up if you want to counter Cals...
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1939	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:03:00 - [14] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Personally I wouldn't even bother with the knives. Melee actually does more damage, unless you're running Sidearm Mods. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5148 Melee hits for 494 while you decloak instead of after, so they won't even hear you until it's too late. The only thing that won't die after your second melee will be a heavy, and you could use a contact grenade for panic mode. Then i'm scannable and instakillable. Knives hit for 1300+ when charged. General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 5922	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:04:00 - [15] - Quote Lose the cloak. It's not worth the resources. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 67	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:08:00 - [16] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: OP FOTM wrote: Personally I wouldn't even bother with the knives. Melee actually does more damage, unless you're running Sidearm Mods. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5148 Melee hits for 494 while you decloak instead of after, so they won't even hear you until it's too late. The only thing that won't die after your second melee will be a heavy, and you could use a contact grenade for panic mode. Then i'm scannable and instakillable. Knives hit for 1300+ when charged. Oh. Goddamn proto fits lying to me. I don't know, man. You know Phoever Asian? He runs speed and the only problem he HAS is killing scouts. Another reason I made that fit is because I agree with the theory that speed is most useful for knifing. I should know - I DON'T have kin cats on my Minja alt. You could probably get away with a dampener instead of that cardiac reg, and that would save you from everything not Calamari.
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1939	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:20:00 - [17] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Lynn Beck wrote: OP FOTM wrote: Personally I wouldn't even bother with the knives. Melee actually does more damage, unless you're running Sidearm Mods. http://www.protofits.com/fittings/shared/0/5148 Melee hits for 494 while you decloak instead of after, so they won't even hear you until it's too late. The only thing that won't die after your second melee will be a heavy, and you could use a contact grenade for panic mode. Then i'm scannable and instakillable. Knives hit for 1300+ when charged. Oh. Goddamn proto fits lying to me. I don't know, man. You know Phoever Asian? He runs speed and the only problem he HAS is killing scouts. Another reason I made that fit is because I agree with the theory that speed is most useful for knifing. I should know - I DON'T have kin cats on my Minja alt. You could probably get away with a dampener instead of that cardiac reg, and that would save you from everything not Calamari. It's a shield reg... I'd need 2 damps minimum to dodge a Focused General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 132	Posted - 2014.06.26 04:23:00 - [18] - Quote Run the fits to see how they perform. It's often bizarre how some work much better then the stats would indicate. My old basic suit game plan in the time of scanner ballerinas was first suit 1 dampener, scanned, 2 damps, scanned, 3 damps, scanned... Fire truck em... 3 armour plates. If you can't hide either find them at the same time or armour up and let them come to you.
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1939	Posted - 2014.06.26 05:24:00 - [19] - Quote I've run the numbers. That and i don't have unlimited SP, i can't 'try the fits' General John Ripper -BAM! I'm Emeril Lagasse. This message was approved by the 'Nobody Loved You' Foundation
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 135	Posted - 2014.06.26 05:58:00 - [20] - Quote Not all good fits require SP. Shotgun MLT with no SP works wonders as the spread in CQC is wonderful. Decreased spread is not a good thing unless effective range gets increased dramatically. Nova Knives is patience and opportunity. I'm sure you will get a chance to use them right if you aren't as impatient as me

Phoever Asian Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 0	Posted - 2014.07.20 23:46:00 - [21] - Quote Phoever Asian here, Wow i just found this thread by searching up Phoever Asian Dust514 on google. I have 2 types of MinScouts, The 2 Damps and the 3kin cats. I use the 3Kin Cats only if i know the reds are not using any CalScouts,(they are the only ones i have problems with, not all scouts) The 2Damps is pretty much, hide then rush and destroy, My highest kills with kin suit is 38/1 My highest kills with damp suit is 46/0 All my suits low slots are 2x Complex Shield Extenders 1x Complex Presicion Enhancer My high slots are (Damp suit) 2x Complex Dampening 1x Kin Cat (Speed Suit) 3x Kin Cats. I Mostly run proto so Mk.0. My Light Weapon is Ishukone Nova Knives, No side arm. Lv3 Proficiency in Nova Knives. Lv5 Min Scout ;) Lv5 presicion,Damp and range.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 80	Posted - 2014.07.21 00:07:00 - [22] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: So yeah. 600k SP away, and i'm already Lv4. I even tried making a 'dampened' fitting for knives, and the best i could get was 3 damp + Ishy cloak, which is scanned by 3 precision Calscout. Currently based off of Protofits, i can run a Mk.0 with 2 Complex Kincats 1 complex Shield Regulator 2 enhanced Extenders 1 enhanced recharger Boundless CR Ishy knives No nade Compact hive Arn-18 cloak field Sadly even unbonused Focused Scans will find me, but i'll be running around at 10.38/s, running 235 shield, with 63/s recharge, and delays of 2.38/3.46. Guess that's going to be it for me. Please. Somebody convince me to proto the Basic Caldari Light, because H E L L nah am i waiting 2+ months for a scout. Terribad fit, sorry. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song evar.
Phoever Asian Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 0	Posted - 2014.07.21 00:20:00 - [23] - Quote Also currently spec'ing into melee, currently lv4. One more level and watch out guys ;P. Recently heard of 50% efficiency to vehicles for NK's And buffs for the Nks... Aiming for 55kills after Charlie is set out ;)
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5404	Posted - 2014.07.21 00:48:00 - [24] - Quote @ Lynn Beck. Here you go lil' slave: If i'd have to use Mk.0 this is how i would use it: Mk.0 High: GÖª Cx Shield Ext GÖª Cx Shield Ext GÖª Cx Shield Ext Low: GÖª Cx Kin Kat GÖª Cx Profile Damp GÖª Cx Profile Damp Weapons: Boundless Combat Rifle Ishi Nova Knives M1- Grenade Equipment: ARN-18 Cloak Nanohives (for that Cr of yours) Important Stats: Shield:342 Armor: 87.5 EHP: 430 Shield Recharge rate: 40 Shield Recharge Delay: 4 Shield Dep delay: 6.13 Movement Speed 5.65 Strafe Speed: 5.09 Sprint speed: 9.35 Stamina 236.25 Stamina recovery Rate 63/s Scan Profile 18.49sb Scan Precision 36 Scan Radius 30m Melee 120 Hack speed factor 1.72 IShi nova Knives Damage 287.5 (this suit was made with stats that will enter effect AFTER charlie) Stealth Storm
Phoever Asian Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 0	Posted - 2014.07.21 01:07:00 - [25] - Quote Light weapons are for the weak ;) Place nova knives in the Lightweapon slot and no weapons in sidearm ;)
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 170	Posted - 2014.07.21 03:19:00 - [26] - Quote Don't use a cloak, cloaks make you stupid. Learn patience - even if the enemy knows you're there, if you're fast enough and use the map well enough you can be too much effort to track down, and if they get careless you can punish quickly. You absolutely should run damps because not every cal scout runs precision enhancers all the time, nor are they necessarily squadded up with your most common opponents. I usually make do with just one, i hugely recommend doubling on your speed. In a min scout you don't need cardiac regs. (maybe if you play melee-only, i run out of stamina at some inopportune moments. not often enough to warrant using one, but hey) If it's specifically calscouts giving you trouble, bite the bullet and grab a shotty instead and play defensively until you can pop them. Seeing everything doesn't make them smart, you can easily get lucky or they can get impatient. remember than when you see musturd or mollerz or me roll through a team racking up 40 kills, it doesn't happen because of blitzing or getting desperate to rack up points - it comes from striking at the exact right moment and letting the other team fall apart as a result. There will be dead periods, especially as you learn exactly when and who to make your move. Patience is important.
Phoever Asian Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 2	Posted - 2014.07.21 03:48:00 - [27] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: Don't use a cloak, cloaks make you stupid. Learn patience - even if the enemy knows you're there, if you're fast enough and use the map well enough you can be too much effort to track down, and if they get careless you can punish quickly. You absolutely should run damps because not every cal scout runs precision enhancers all the time, nor are they necessarily squadded up with your most common opponents. I usually make do with just one, i hugely recommend doubling on your speed. In a min scout you don't need cardiac regs. (maybe if you play melee-only, i run out of stamina at some inopportune moments. not often enough to warrant using one, but hey) If it's specifically calscouts giving you trouble, bite the bullet and grab a shotty instead and play defensively until you can pop them. Seeing everything doesn't make them smart, you can easily get lucky or they can get impatient. remember than when you see musturd or mollerz or me roll through a team racking up 40 kills, it doesn't happen because of blitzing or getting desperate to rack up points - it comes from striking at the exact right moment and letting the other team fall apart as a result. There will be dead periods, especially as you learn exactly when and who to make your move. Patience is important. Tsk, Cloaks are what helps everyone get around. Noting that, before cloaks, scouts had the profile dampening bonus, which was moved to the cloak to which got nerfed. I've killed Duna2002 6times already when he was using a thales on a cal scout. I snuck up onto duna with my cloak on. The moment i uncloaked. Duna turned back and i killed duna with my mass driver. CLOAKS are great for sneaking up, and moving around unoticed. I mostly run advamced cloaks and nova knived. And it helps on tons of occasions. I rush all opportunties and succeed, being patient can run your cloak out and your possibility will never come. -True Nova Knifer
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1601	Posted - 2014.07.21 04:42:00 - [28] - Quote This is why it needs a bonus to cloak dampening!! "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Phoever Asian Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 2	Posted - 2014.07.21 06:06:00 - [29] - Quote This is what i think should be done; Basic cloak = 15secs, 5% Profile Dampening Advanced cloak = 30secs, 15% Profile Dampening Prototype cloak = 45secs, 25% Profile Dampening, Reason to why i think of this is that, because the Profile Dampening was taken off the scouts and placed on the cloaks which was nerfed and the unknown whereabouts of the profile dampening disappeared. This would even it out abit, but there is a bit of a downside. But this will work well. I had troubles as a Min Scout because of the loss of Profile Dampening and the introduction of the Cal Scouts. This was downside for all scouts out there. As everyone was vulnerable to this cal scout. Being able to scan everyone in the game and being able to equip the highest DPS weapon in the game, with a fast shield recharge rate and a small hitbox. Easily the Cal Scout is made into an assault suit with 2Equipment Slots. - Everything Minmatar. Screw Caldari. And all the mainstreamers, Running with knives and only knives shall be the death of all others.
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 170	Posted - 2014.07.21 07:03:00 - [30] - Quote Sounds like you're leaning too hard on your crutch. Like I said, it makes you stupid. Cloaks are only good for crossing open ground and shotgun ganking people, every other circumstance is better handled by using your brain.



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