DUST Search - Scout E-War What Can & Can't Be Seen TESTED

OP FOTM wrote:

JP Acuna wrote:

No way a Gal Logi with focused scanner can scan a Gallente scout with 2 complex profile dampeners. I don't even have to count the cloak, it's already below 15 dB, which is the max precision that scanner can get with a lvl 5 Gallente Logi.

EDIT: I only use 1 complex dampener and never get caught by any active scanner.

That's because you haven't been scanned by me.

And because my goddamn focused scanner only scans for 5 seconds every 40 seconds which is useless and luck based.

Why is Haerr's chart so confusing? Do the color codes actually mean something? There's no legend to tell me what they mean. The older table was easier to understand. This one doesn't even tell you how many dampeners are being used.

Haerr wrote:

TABLE FOR 1.8

TABLE FOR HOTFIX ALPHA

Column A describes 'Scanner Types', their background colour depends on their suit/type:
Heavies have a light yellow background.
Medium suits have a dark yellow background.
Logistics suits have an orangey background.
Scouts have a light purple background.
Caldari Scouts have dark purple background.
Active scanners have a red background.
Active scanners with the Gallente Logistics bonus have a dark red background.

Column B describes the 'Scan Precision' of the scanners.

Column C-R describes the 'Scan Profile' of the scan+¬es and are sorted by:
No = No Cloak Field
STD = Standard Cloak Field (0% Dampening Bonus)
ADV = Advanced Cloak Field (5% Dampening Bonus)
PRO = Prototype Cloak Field (10% Dampening Bonus)

The background colour for columns C-R is fixed to the number of dampeners that you need to fit in order to escape detection:
Pale Green = 0 Profile Dampeners
Green = 1 Complex Profile Dampeners
Cyan = 2 Complex Profile Dampeners
Blue = 3 Complex Profile Dampeners
Purple = 4 Complex Profile Dampeners
Pink = 5 Complex Profile Dampeners
Black = Unable to escape detection

Comparison 1.7 -> 1.8 -> HA:
Commandos & Sentinels
Scan Distance 10 -> 10 -> 10
Scan Profile 65 -> 60 -> 60
Scan Precision 60 -> 55 -> 55
Assaults
Scan Distance 10 -> 10 -> 10
Scan Profile 50 -> 50 -> 50
Scan Precision 55 -> 50 -> 50
Logistics
Scan Distance 10 -> 15 -> 15
Scan Profile 50 -> 50 -> 50
Scan Precision 50 -> 45 -> 45
Scouts
Scan Distance 16 -> 20 -> 20
Scan Profile 45 -> 35 -> 35
Scan Precision 45 -> 40 -> 40
Caldari Scan Precision XX -> 25% -> 25%
Caldari Scan Range XX -> 25% -> 15%
Gallente Scan Profile XX -> 25% -> 15%
Gallente Scan Range XX -> 25% -> 5%

User guide:

Make a copy of it.

Approve the script to run before changing things.

Tools -> Script editorGÇª -> Run

Go to the 'input' sheet.

Change a number that has a black background.

Go to the 'table' sheet and check out what happened.

Notes:

The sheet names are used in the script so if you change their names you will break the script.

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Hawkin P Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 426	Posted - 2014.06.24 19:11:00 - [1] - Quote I went and tested with all the scout suits, to find out, what you could and could not see on passive scans. The Dampening Bonus to Proto cloaks appears more powerful than a 3rd or 4th complex dampener. Since Precision and Dampening mods do not say they have stacking penalties, either CCP uses a unique way to calculate scan profiles and scan precision, or it's a glitch. This guide assumes the players have maxed out relevant skills. Caldari with 4 Complex Precision Mods Can See on passive Scans. Galante Scout with Proto Cloak active and up to 2 Complex Dampeners. All other scouts with Proto Cloak active and up to 2 Complex Dampeners. All other scouts without Cloak active and up to 4 Complex Dampeners. Caldari with 3 Complex Precision Mods Can See on passive Scans. Galante Scout with Proto Cloak active and up to 1 Complex Dampeners. Galante Scout without Cloak active and up to 2 Complex Dampeners. All other scouts with Proto Cloak active and up to 2 Complex Dampeners. All other scouts without Cloak active and up to 3 Complex Dampeners. Proto Gal Logi with Proto Focused Scanner Galante Scout with Proto Cloak active and up to 2 Complex Dampeners. All other scouts NOT TESTED YET but it can be assumed while Proto Cloaked with 2 complex dampeners they can be seen, and up to 3 complex damps without a cloak active can also be seen. 4 may or may not also be seen while not cloaked.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14804	Posted - 2014.06.24 19:25:00 - [2] - Quote We have a chart for this, you know. It says pretty much what you're saying, except it has loads more combinations. https://13919baa44a2003fcdf76e6cfb80cd72b63f4884.googledrive.com/host/0B_YSJ6FRJlihQjFXdzdNYU5MQWM/alpha.html You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Polka will never die.
Hawkin P Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 427	Posted - 2014.06.24 19:32:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: We have a chart for this, you know. It says pretty much what you're saying, except it has loads more combinations. https://13919baa44a2003fcdf76e6cfb80cd72b63f4884.googledrive.com/host/0B_YSJ6FRJlihQjFXdzdNYU5MQWM/alpha.html Yeah but that chart is wrong. I know that chart that is what I always used as a reference point, until I found some errors in it. on that chart a 4 Precision mod Cal Scout shouldn't see a 2x dampened gal scout while proto cloaked, but he can.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2123	Posted - 2014.06.24 19:50:00 - [4] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: We have a chart for this, you know. It says pretty much what you're saying, except it has loads more combinations. https://13919baa44a2003fcdf76e6cfb80cd72b63f4884.googledrive.com/host/0B_YSJ6FRJlihQjFXdzdNYU5MQWM/alpha.html Yeah but that chart is wrong. I know that chart, Hearr did an amazing job with it. That is what I always used as a reference point, until I found some errors in it. The errors seem to be CCP's end not Hearr's. On that chart a 4 Precision mod Cal Scout shouldn't see a 2x dampened gal scout while proto cloaked, but he can. Sigh. I wish the numbers would mean what they are supposed to mean. We shouldn't have to double check and test to see what actually is. This is how a minja feels
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15601	Posted - 2014.06.24 19:59:00 - [5] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: We have a chart for this, you know. It says pretty much what you're saying, except it has loads more combinations. https://13919baa44a2003fcdf76e6cfb80cd72b63f4884.googledrive.com/host/0B_YSJ6FRJlihQjFXdzdNYU5MQWM/alpha.html Yeah but that chart is wrong. I know that chart, Hearr did an amazing job with it. That is what I always used as a reference point, until I found some errors in it. The errors seem to be CCP's end not Hearr's. On that chart a 4 Precision mod Cal Scout shouldn't see a 2x dampened gal scout while proto cloaked, but he can. Did you scan before or after he cloaked? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Hawkin P Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 431	Posted - 2014.06.24 20:10:00 - [6] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Did you scan before or after he cloaked? If you are talking about the caldari scout, it's passive scans. We played around with it on the oceanic servers and tried it all different ways. If you are talking about the proto gali logi with proto focus scanners, we fooled around with that too and it would say everytime "you have been scanned" to the Gal Scout.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15602	Posted - 2014.06.24 21:04:00 - [7] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Did you scan before or after he cloaked? If you are talking about the caldari scout, it's passive scans. We played around with it on the oceanic servers and tried it all different ways. If you are talking about the proto gali logi with proto focus scanners, we fooled around with that too and it would say everytime "you have been scanned" to the Gal Scout. cloaks generally don't make you disappear from active scanners if you activate them; I am not sure if it holds up for passives though. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Hawkin P Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 432	Posted - 2014.06.25 01:21:00 - [8] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Hawkin P wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Did you scan before or after he cloaked? If you are talking about the caldari scout, it's passive scans. We played around with it on the oceanic servers and tried it all different ways. If you are talking about the proto gali logi with proto focus scanners, we fooled around with that too and it would say everytime "you have been scanned" to the Gal Scout. cloaks generally don't make you disappear from active scanners if you activate them; I am not sure if it holds up for passives though. We ran off scans from each other and had him approach me before he was showing up on scans
JP Acuna Pendejitos Zero-Day 202	Posted - 2014.06.25 02:07:00 - [9] - Quote No way a Gal Logi with focused scanner can scan a Gallente scout with 2 complex profile dampeners. I don't even have to count the cloak, it's already below 15 dB, which is the max precision that scanner can get with a lvl 5 Gallente Logi.
Hawkin P Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 432	Posted - 2014.06.25 07:19:00 - [10] - Quote JP Acuna wrote: No way a Gal Logi with focused scanner can scan a Gallente scout with 2 complex profile dampeners. I don't even have to count the cloak, it's already below 15 dB, which is the max precision that scanner can get with a lvl 5 Gallente Logi. EDIT: I only use 1 complex dampener and never get caught by any active scanner. try it with a full proto gal logi and a proto focus scanner 15 db. gal scout w 2 complex damp w/o cloak is 17.21 db w/ proto cloak is 15.49db tested it dude.

OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 17	Posted - 2014.06.25 07:55:00 - [11] - Quote JP Acuna wrote: No way a Gal Logi with focused scanner can scan a Gallente scout with 2 complex profile dampeners. I don't even have to count the cloak, it's already below 15 dB, which is the max precision that scanner can get with a lvl 5 Gallente Logi. EDIT: I only use 1 complex dampener and never get caught by any active scanner. That's because you haven't been scanned by me. And because my goddamn focused scanner only scans for 5 seconds every 40 seconds which is useless and luck based. Why is Haerr's chart so confusing? Do the color codes actually mean something? There's no legend to tell me what they mean. The older table was easier to understand. This one doesn't even tell you how many dampeners are being used.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 4370	Posted - 2014.06.25 08:01:00 - [12] - Quote null Viktor for CPM I'll ring for free(Multiple roles, 51Mil SP) Chat Channel: Vik PC
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3775	Posted - 2014.06.25 09:22:00 - [13] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: JP Acuna wrote: No way a Gal Logi with focused scanner can scan a Gallente scout with 2 complex profile dampeners. I don't even have to count the cloak, it's already below 15 dB, which is the max precision that scanner can get with a lvl 5 Gallente Logi. EDIT: I only use 1 complex dampener and never get caught by any active scanner. That's because you haven't been scanned by me. And because my goddamn focused scanner only scans for 5 seconds every 40 seconds which is useless and luck based. Why is Haerr's chart so confusing? Do the color codes actually mean something? There's no legend to tell me what they mean. The older table was easier to understand. This one doesn't even tell you how many dampeners are being used. I'll copy the legend to this post. I told him to update the chart to include a legend, but I think he misunderstood - he only updated the OP in the corp forum... Haerr wrote: TABLE FOR 1.8 TABLE FOR HOTFIX ALPHA Column A describes 'Scanner Types', their background colour depends on their suit/type: Heavies have a light yellow background. Medium suits have a dark yellow background. Logistics suits have an orangey background. Scouts have a light purple background. Caldari Scouts have dark purple background. Active scanners have a red background. Active scanners with the Gallente Logistics bonus have a dark red background. Column B describes the 'Scan Precision' of the scanners. Column C-R describes the 'Scan Profile' of the scan+¬es and are sorted by: No = No Cloak Field STD = Standard Cloak Field (0% Dampening Bonus) ADV = Advanced Cloak Field (5% Dampening Bonus) PRO = Prototype Cloak Field (10% Dampening Bonus) The background colour for columns C-R is fixed to the number of dampeners that you need to fit in order to escape detection: Pale Green = 0 Profile Dampeners Green = 1 Complex Profile Dampeners Cyan = 2 Complex Profile Dampeners Blue = 3 Complex Profile Dampeners Purple = 4 Complex Profile Dampeners Pink = 5 Complex Profile Dampeners Black = Unable to escape detection Comparison 1.7 -> 1.8 -> HA: Commandos & Sentinels Scan Distance 10 -> 10 -> 10 Scan Profile 65 -> 60 -> 60 Scan Precision 60 -> 55 -> 55 Assaults Scan Distance 10 -> 10 -> 10 Scan Profile 50 -> 50 -> 50 Scan Precision 55 -> 50 -> 50 Logistics Scan Distance 10 -> 15 -> 15 Scan Profile 50 -> 50 -> 50 Scan Precision 50 -> 45 -> 45 Scouts Scan Distance 16 -> 20 -> 20 Scan Profile 45 -> 35 -> 35 Scan Precision 45 -> 40 -> 40 Caldari Scan Precision XX -> 25% -> 25% Caldari Scan Range XX -> 25% -> 15% Gallente Scan Profile XX -> 25% -> 15% Gallente Scan Range XX -> 25% -> 5% User guide: Make a copy of it. Approve the script to run before changing things. Tools -> Script editorGÇª -> Run Go to the 'input' sheet. Change a number that has a black background. Go to the 'table' sheet and check out what happened. Notes: The sheet names are used in the script so if you change their names you will break the script. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
Haerr Legio DXIV 863	Posted - 2014.06.25 20:20:00 - [14] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: A WALL OF TEXT tl;dr = Lorhak <3 Haerr ? Or am I missunderstanding things again? ^_^
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 46	Posted - 2014.06.25 20:36:00 - [15] - Quote All I know is I'm a Gallogi, and the Focused is just so ridiculously bad with its cooldown and 5 second light up time that you might as well not even use it. Better off basing everything off the other pro scanners he has access to. That's REALLY what will scan you.
JP Acuna Pendejitos Zero-Day 202	Posted - 2014.06.26 01:43:00 - [16] - Quote Hawkin P wrote: JP Acuna wrote: No way a Gal Logi with focused scanner can scan a Gallente scout with 2 complex profile dampeners. I don't even have to count the cloak, it's already below 15 dB, which is the max precision that scanner can get with a lvl 5 Gallente Logi. EDIT: I only use 1 complex dampener and never get caught by any active scanner. try it with a full proto gal logi and a proto focus scanner 15 db. gal scout w 2 complex damp w/o cloak is 17.21 db w/ proto cloak is 15.49db tested it dude. Then i don't have a clue of how the hell i should i add all this dampening and percentages. Just realised i'm not under 15 dB with 1 dampener, but still think that what you say is wrong. This is the math how i do it: Base scan profile: 35. Gallente Scout lvl 5: -15% scan profile. Profile Dampening Skill lvl 5: -10% scan profile. 2x Complex profile dampener: -50% scan profile. 15+10+50= -75% 35-75%= 8.75 dB That's not even having a cloak on. Unscannable by a focused scanner.


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