How about we fix the core unresolved issues first?

[quote=Iron Wolf Saber]How about we fix the core unresolved issues first?

The primary issue at its very core is that vehicles have undergone a sort of tiericide, whereas AV weapons have not. What this means is that because vehicles are 'flat', but AV weapons are not, they're trying to balance a tiericided (sp?) role against a tiered role, which basically means the vehicles have to be balanced against a specific tier of AV.

So if you balance vehicles against Proto AV, STD and ADV are basically useless. If you balance vehicles against STD AV, then vehicles are nuked into oblivion by PRO AV. This is a fundamental flaw in the philosophy of Vehicles, and I think to try and expand on vehicles further without first addressing this issue would be irresponsible at best.

I think in general we need to move vehicles away from the concept of tiericide (Making infantry and AV undergo tiericide is an option as well) but the key is that you can't mix tiericide and tiered systems; it has to be consistent. Addressing this issue needs to be first and foremost on the vehicle issue.

That being said, once that is taken are of, there are a number of tools (modules specifically) that really should exist for vehicles. I'd personally like to see more modules made available since some obvious ones are missing, before we attempt to tackle additional vehicle roles such as Enforcers, Marauders, Logistics, ect.

If this is teiricide then it actively kills any vehicle variation and or enjoyment that was once in the class.

As I often say you cannot balance something that does not have all of its content present. So Dust will never be balanced until we can have all our assets included and then tested in context.

I cannot understand why CCP does not take the Month....2 months to ensure Dust has its full content line up, the leave the capable CCP Rattati to offer hotfixes.

In the long run this means all the balancing, QQing, and bumps in the proverbial road is kept in Dust and made easier for the Legion transition and release.

Wont happen

None of the candidate use vehicles and those that do are mostly terrible and dont even do PC

They may use vehicles in pubs but thats pubs, you balance for PC and currently yet again vehicles are useless in PC

CPM0 got tiercide for vehicles and now vehicles are even worse off that before 1.0

Less modules/hulls/turrets/skills and still infantry complain, not even allowed in ambush and still infantry complain, judge a CPM candidate complains about rails on a regular basis and cried when vehicles were still in OMS and backs out of every game with competant AV/Vehicle users against him

There is no point, the game is run for infantry, vehicles are again a joke and are useless, you cant even use blasters to defend yourself since you have the accuracy of a blind archer and are better off jumping out with a AR or a HMG and the kicker is you have more range

Wasting your time OP, a vote for CPM is a vote for CCP anyways

Zatara Doesn't do PC? Mkay...
Reason #108 that Mr. Kashuken is a numnut

Wont happen

None of the candidate use vehicles and those that do are mostly terrible and dont even do PC

They may use vehicles in pubs but thats pubs, you balance for PC and currently yet again vehicles are useless in PC

Well I have all vehicle support skills to V, all proto large turrets, I think 2 proto small turrets, and I was in a PC match less than 24 hours ago...so...you're wrong?

You fall under the terrible pilot catagory and are a non factor

We have no variety guys. We need our marauders, our Enforcers, all of it. Scout and Logi LAVs, Logi DS. Everything needs to come back. Push this for us guys, please.

You fall under the terrible pilot catagory and are a non factor

Well I have all vehicle support skills to V, all proto large turrets, I think 2 proto small turrets, and I was in a PC match less than 24 hours ago...so...you're wrong?

To be honest you weren't that good, I'd of taken Char, Bob, or Mavado any day over you.

Based on what?

You can have access to all you want, doesn't make you a tanker. Atiim tries to make the same argument. He says he has access to most modules and turrets with skills from 3-5, yet he chooses AV, whereas a rail is mounted on a tank with greater speed and maneuverability, higher base HP, and more consistent damage output. If someone constantly chooses gear that's worse at the job, when they have access to much better gear better suited for destroying tanks, then there's not a problem with the tank itself. It's his own decision to nerf his capabilities, making his argument nearly invalid.

First specced into vehicles in the E3 build of closed beta and have been doing it every build and update ever since. So that's...what, 2+ years of constant use? Or is early closed beta through today not enough experience?

Do I use vehicles 100% of the time? No, I actually like running infantry in pub matches about 80% of the time, but I've run nothing BUT vehicles in PC save exactly one match where I as asked to come in as backup infantry.

My experience in PC? Launched into PC on the first day of its release, I think we had 20+ battles that day. In the first month I was involved in well over 150 PC battles before things started to slow down. Is it 10-15 battles a day? No not quite that many, but to think I'm "twiddling my thumbs" is completely off base. Are things as active in PC right now? Now, things are far docile but that's the nature of MH right now.

Am I the most amazing pilot ever? No, I have my good matches and I have my bad matches and I usually come out with a solid KDR for vehicle kills, but to sit and imply that I'm "irrelevant" in my understanding of mechanics is simply ignorant.

EDIT: And Killar, last time we played together which was like the only time, I was in a Commando, not a tank. Not really sure where you're getting your personal experience from?

You fall under the terrible pilot catagory and are a non factor