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Egonz4
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Posted - 2014.06.22 02:47:00 -
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Everything about destiny reminds me of what dust should have been...and the thing is dusts guns, vehicles, and economy/fitting system is better than what destiny has to offer......
Now I know bungie is spending tons of money on this he but I feel like if CCP would have just put some more money and thought into it......they would've made the game that everybody wants.....
Will legion do this? Maybe....but the thing is its on PC....so IDK
Thoughts?
Master of The Flaylock
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medomai grey
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 02:49:00 -
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Nope. Not even close to what Dust514 was supposed to be.
Medium frame EHP is not medium
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
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Posted - 2014.06.22 02:50:00 -
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The Division shall be what dust should have been.
Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2014.06.22 02:53:00 -
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Honestly Dust is its own genre in my opinion and can never be copied.
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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Egonz4
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Posted - 2014.06.22 02:55:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Nope. Not even close to what Dust514 was supposed to be.
I know..... But does anyone else feel that legion being on PC is just gonna kill the potential?
Master of The Flaylock
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.06.22 02:59:00 -
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Hell No.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.06.22 03:00:00 -
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No. Destiny is Destiny. Dust is Dust. Like COD is COD and BF4 is BF4.
Egonz4 wrote:medomai grey wrote:Nope. Not even close to what Dust514 was supposed to be. I know..... But does anyone else feel that legion being on PC is just gonna kill the potential?
No you just wish that because it won't be on a console. PC is a different beast. There's PC players playing old shooters like it was just made yesterday. That doesn't happen on consoles. People only play the latest and greatest and concern themselves with what game is 60 fps. No way on PC would the pub matches be filled to the brim of clueless players. At least there will be some better competition.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.06.22 03:02:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:The Division shall be what dust should have been.
LOL seriously, how?
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Marston VC
Sver true blood
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 03:03:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:Everything about destiny reminds me of what dust should have been...and the thing is dusts guns, vehicles, and economy/fitting system is a better core than what destiny has to offer......
Now I know bungie is spending tons of money on this game but I feel like if CCP would have just put some more money and thought into the actual gameplay and graphics......they would've made the game that every fps player wants.....
Will legion do this? Maybe....but the thing is its on PC....so IDK
Thoughts?
CCP was on the fast track to running out of money thanks to this game. They spent too much of what they had in a poor investment. Its just a sad case of them overestimating what they could do on the PS3. I mean, don't get me wrong, the PS3 was a powerful console for its time, but for what CCP wants to do with Dust, its just not enough. Between Dust and the other botched game CCP was working on, its no wonder they seemed to have run out of money. That's why they had to fire a lot of people not long ago. That's why they've halted development for the other game they had, and they've severely cut development on Dust.
Legion being on PC is a GREAT THING. I mean, don't get me wrong, I would have loved them to put it on the PS4 instead for hardware balancing reasons. But being on PC will allow them to develop the game at a much greater rate then before. Not to mention I believe there is more money to be had on the PC. At least initially anyway.
Just because Destiny is getting a record amount of money pumped into it does not mean the game is going to be that great. GTA V had 100's of millions of dollars put into it, but the game still had a ton of flaws, and theres still a lot of lack luster things about it. So to think that money is the only thing they did wrong, is just ludicrous. The main flaw with their development wasn't because they lacked the funding. It was because they lacked the hardware needed to run the game they wanted to make. That's why Legion is taking priority over Dust now. There is no limit with PC's.
And at the end of the day. Everything CCP does is for the sake of making more money for their company. Legion will be and HAS TO BE successful for them. Its the best option as far as innovation goes in regards to the EVE universe. EVE online is a great game, but its becoming clear now that CCP is running out innovative new content they can add to the game. Yes they can balance things, add new ships/missions ect.... but theres only so much they can do to add to the space side of its universe.
Legion opens up a whole new playground for them to innovate with. To give their player base the option to sift through twice as much content then they have at hand currently.
Marston VC, STB Director
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10967
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Posted - 2014.06.22 03:15:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:The Division shall be what dust should have been.
I'm hoping PIE can snag some districts in the Division
" Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well."
-Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
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Aisha Ctarl
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
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Posted - 2014.06.22 03:43:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:The Division shall be what dust should have been. I'm hoping PIE can snag some districts in the Division
We shall have to find a semi auto rifle to rename the Scrambler Rifle.
Scrambling brains since 5/14/13
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deezy dabest
Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers
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Posted - 2014.06.22 03:48:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:medomai grey wrote:Nope. Not even close to what Dust514 was supposed to be. I know..... But does anyone else feel that legion being on PC is just gonna kill the potential?
I plan on trying it out but I can not do PC gaming. M/KB is not what I want to game with so yea it has killed the potential for me.
Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
1009
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Posted - 2014.06.22 04:44:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:Everything about destiny reminds me of what dust should have been...and the thing is dusts guns, vehicles, and economy/fitting system is a better core than what destiny has to offer......
Now I know bungie is spending tons of money on this game but I feel like if CCP would have just put some more money and thought into the actual gameplay and graphics......they would've made the game that every fps player wants.....
Will legion do this? Maybe....but the thing is its on PC....so IDK
Thoughts?
I agree.
The Destiny alpha was "an ancient build" according to Deej, and what I played was pretty damn good. Can't wait for beta.
The way CCP dropped DUST suddenly still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Enough to know that CCP isn't really a team player and deserves no knee-jerk loyalty.
I'm skeptical about Legion and I'll pass judgement when I see what it has to offer. I'm not going to pay a subscription for it, though.
Anyone who buys AUR now is a fool.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:06:00 -
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Egonz4 wrote:Everything about destiny reminds me of what dust should have been...and the thing is dusts guns, vehicles, and economy/fitting system is a better core than what destiny has to offer......
Now I know bungie is spending tons of money on this game but I feel like if CCP would have just put some more money and thought into the actual gameplay and graphics......they would've made the game that every fps player wants.....
Will legion do this? Maybe....but the thing is its on PC....so IDK
Thoughts?
The mechanics in Destiny are what DUST's should have been. Most fps players out there would even let the graphics slide if the controls and core mechanics were professionally done.
DUST does have New Eden going for it, though.
I'd say if CCP could deliver something close to Bungie's alpha-grade controls and core fps mechanics(movement and aiming, hitbox fidelity, environment interaction) that would be good enough for DUST/Legion to carve a respectable chunk out of the fps market.
Provided they put it on console, ofc.
PSN: RationalSpark
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Spectre-M
The Generals
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:39:00 -
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Facts
Minnmitar in Amarr armor.
A Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
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Seymour KrelbornX
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:46:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Egonz4 wrote:Everything about destiny reminds me of what dust should have been...and the thing is dusts guns, vehicles, and economy/fitting system is a better core than what destiny has to offer......
Now I know bungie is spending tons of money on this game but I feel like if CCP would have just put some more money and thought into the actual gameplay and graphics......they would've made the game that every fps player wants.....
Will legion do this? Maybe....but the thing is its on PC....so IDK
Thoughts? The mechanics in Destiny are what DUST's should have been. Most fps players out there would even let the graphics slide if the controls and core mechanics were professionally done. DUST does have New Eden going for it, though. I'd say if CCP could deliver something close to Bungie's alpha-grade controls and core fps mechanics(movement and aiming, hitbox fidelity, environment interaction) that would be good enough for DUST/Legion to carve a respectable chunk out of the fps market. Provided they put it on console, ofc.
...well dust doesn't have new eden going for it anymore ... and legion isn't green lit yet so new eden may not have legion....
all new eden is anyway is a made up world, the best lore wasn't even made by CCP, at least not exclusively.. who's to say destiny's world wont be far richer than new Eden's?
if the world and lore is at least as in depth, what candle could Dust ever hope to hold to destiny? |
End Is Here
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.22 15:40:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:Egonz4 wrote:medomai grey wrote:Nope. Not even close to what Dust514 was supposed to be. I know..... But does anyone else feel that legion being on PC is just gonna kill the potential? I plan on trying it out but I can not do PC gaming. M/KB is not what I want to game with so yea it has killed the potential for me.
Who said you had to use ONLY mouse and keyboard? PC's have WAY better controllers with hacks,auto bots and key inputs. What's not to love? |
GeneralButtNaked
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.22 15:46:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:
No way on PC would the pub matches be filled to the brim of clueless players. At least there will be some better competition.
Completely delusional.
Have you even played a F2P game on PC?
The playerbase is just as bad as Dust, except you get to add hackers into the mix.
Since it will be easier for CCP to integrate Legion with Eve, expect a serious incentive for Eve players to get an account and do some AFK farming.
Hope you enjoy muppets and spinners.
Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead.
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RogueTrooper 2000AD
Neckbeard Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.22 16:19:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Michael Arck wrote:
No way on PC would the pub matches be filled to the brim of clueless players. At least there will be some better competition.
Completely delusional. Have you even played a F2P game on PC? The playerbase is just as bad as Dust, except you get to add hackers into the mix. Since it will be easier for CCP to integrate Legion with Eve, expect a serious incentive for Eve players to get an account and do some AFK farming. Hope you enjoy muppets and spinners.
You get aim bots for consoles, its really easy.
I have noticed plenty of ALTs testing aim bots recently.
M not saying how you do it because its not something you announce but there's plenty in dust and some are well known players.
People are very smart nowadays with how they hide it as well and they'd never use the other stuff because its too obvious. Free to play games are always riddled with aim bot scum no matter what platform.
Anyone who thinks that aim botting, no clipping, no recoil etc is all done purely on computer is completely ignorant or possibly delusional.
Service with a smile
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RogueTrooper 2000AD
Neckbeard Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.22 16:20:00 -
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I'm not saying how its done either but its really not hard and the older the platform, the easier it is.
Service with a smile
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.22 17:39:00 -
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No game should ever aspire to Dust.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
General Tso's Alliance
1995
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Posted - 2014.06.22 18:00:00 -
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Your silly..
CCP = Mediocre at Any PVE aspect in their history. Any PVE in EVE is 1 dimensional..
CCP =Mediocre at making a Casual gaming experience.. They just don't build casual gaming experiences...
CCP = The Kings at Large scale PVP with weight and meaning.
CCP = Kings of building Meta gaming and politics into their games.
CCP = King of player inspired and ran economies.
What Bungie and CCP have for strengths and weaknesses are completely polar opposite. Who they build games are completely opposite.
Destiny had a budget of over 500 million dollars with a staff of over 250 people.
CCP Shanghai is 70 people now after growth? Development budget not even touching that.
Sadly alot of DUST's and then CCP's problems stems right from Upper Management and old guard employee's being protected from their mistakes instead of being held accountable.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Reviews-E159347.htm
Check out employee reviews of CCP. It's a great corporation it's just managed poorly atm. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
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Posted - 2014.06.22 18:19:00 -
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Poonmunch wrote:
The Destiny alpha was "an ancient build" according to Deej,
Highly doubt that.
An alpha on anything but the newest build would be not only pointless, but counterproductive to development and an overall stupid choice.
Claiming that it's an old build is simply a lie to try discrediting anyone who doesn't like the game.
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss
RISE of LEGION
349
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Posted - 2014.06.22 18:23:00 -
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Destiny feels vastly different. But it's a complete game with actual stuff to do. |
deezy dabest
Sacred Initiative of Combat Killers
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Posted - 2014.06.22 18:34:00 -
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End Is Here wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Egonz4 wrote:medomai grey wrote:Nope. Not even close to what Dust514 was supposed to be. I know..... But does anyone else feel that legion being on PC is just gonna kill the potential? I plan on trying it out but I can not do PC gaming. M/KB is not what I want to game with so yea it has killed the potential for me. Who said you had to use ONLY mouse and keyboard? PC's have WAY better controllers with hacks,auto bots and key inputs. What's not to love?
I have already invested over $600 directly to CCP and another 5-600 on headsets and recording equipment specifically for Dust.
Forgive me if I do not want to invest in a couple hundred dollar keyboard or controller that will still leave me at a disadvantage to the guys that actually PC game. I am simply enjoying Dust until its gone while I quietly sit back and watch for where I move to once me and Legion do not get along. The only reason I am willing to try Legion is because my work computer is of higher specs than all but the best gaming rigs out there (except for the graphics card) so currently it will not cost me anything to try it out.
Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
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Spectre-M
The Generals
548
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Posted - 2014.06.22 19:33:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Your silly.. CCP = Mediocre at Any PVE aspect in their history. Any PVE in EVE is 1 dimensional.. CCP =Mediocre at making a Casual gaming experience.. They just don't build casual gaming experiences... CCP = The Kings at Large scale PVP with weight and meaning. CCP = Kings of building Meta gaming and politics into their games. CCP = King of player inspired and ran economies. What Bungie and CCP have for strengths and weaknesses are completely polar opposite. Who they build games are completely opposite. Destiny had a budget of over 500 million dollars with a staff of over 250 people. CCP Shanghai is 70 people now after growth? Development budget not even touching that. Sadly alot of DUST's and then CCP's problems stems right from Upper Management and old guard employee's being protected from their mistakes instead of being held accountable. http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Reviews-E159347.htmCheck out employee reviews of CCP. It's a great corporation it's just managed poorly atm.
Thanks for that. I just wrote one for the company I work for. This site is awesome. Explains a lot, especially seeing how the 3d industry is plagued by "art directors" who've never drawn a picture in their life. "Too many cooks in the kitchen" is absolutely right.
Minnmitar in Amarr armor.
A Wolf in Sheeps clothing.
May the Empress live till she graces my sights.
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Pvt Numnutz
Watchdoge Explosives
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Posted - 2014.06.22 19:39:00 -
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Oh my no. Destiny is nowhere near what dust should have been |
soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
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Posted - 2014.06.22 19:40:00 -
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deezy dabest wrote:End Is Here wrote:deezy dabest wrote:Egonz4 wrote:medomai grey wrote:Nope. Not even close to what Dust514 was supposed to be. I know..... But does anyone else feel that legion being on PC is just gonna kill the potential? I plan on trying it out but I can not do PC gaming. M/KB is not what I want to game with so yea it has killed the potential for me. Who said you had to use ONLY mouse and keyboard? PC's have WAY better controllers with hacks,auto bots and key inputs. What's not to love? I have already invested over $600 directly to CCP and another 5-600 on headsets and recording equipment specifically for Dust. Forgive me if I do not want to invest in a couple hundred dollar keyboard or controller that will still leave me at a disadvantage to the guys that actually PC game. I am simply enjoying Dust until its gone while I quietly sit back and watch for where I move to once me and Legion do not get along. The only reason I am willing to try Legion is because my work computer is of higher specs than all but the best gaming rigs out there (except for the graphics card) so currently it will not cost me anything to try it out.
Sux to be you, spending 600 dollars on a freaking video game
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RogueTrooper 2000AD
Neckbeard Absolution
96
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Posted - 2014.06.22 19:47:00 -
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^ The words of any broke scrub right there.
Ridiculing people who can afford to splash on a game they like.
Service with a smile
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
2158
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Posted - 2014.06.22 19:51:00 -
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Is there a foundation for competitive, tactical PvP play?
Everything I've read indicates that PvP exists only as afterthought.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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