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Posted - 2014.06.21 17:08:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: In all honesty a super character under CCP Z's proposal vs anything eve like are identical even the time to destination will be identical. Just CCP Z's route has roadsigns and roads built but leaves players to pick the destinations. Where as the eve system is a barren desert with no distinguishable landmarks to the untrained eye and many new players dehydrate before the find thier first watering hole.
glad to see something of this conversation come back from someone other than the community chasing tails. thanks for that. also, i enjoy your description ;) with that said though, with your comparison of Z's progression to EVE and the relative similarities, i fear that you are seeing more in the proposal than i do. both figuratively and quite literally. unless you're just drawing conclusions from the same sources we have access to based in FF videos and the sticky above. that's not at all a knock, just curiousity i guess. cough *hint* cough. 
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Posted - 2014.06.22 02:21:00 -
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So what you're saying is, the same FF vid that we've dissected to the nth degree in the progression sticky.    
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Posted - 2014.06.22 04:22:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Like I said though I had context behind it and only one or two more screens viewed to me. Information you guys got is the same one I got behind closed doors.
I will not divulge CCP Z's first plan though; that would do more harm than good.
Nono, don't get me wrong please. I guess I was replying more as a continuation to my earlier post wondering if there was more info you had access to being CPM that we, the general community, would not have access to to draw your conclusions in comparison of Z's plan to EVE's. More just fishing for details, hoping for a link to something that I've obviously missed :)
I was sincere in saying thanks that this conversation is still taking place. Your OP, the idea in general, is fine by me; however, I was hoping that this might provide a link to some new reference or draft.
Regardless, thanks for the specific reply and OP.
- me.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:12:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Spectral Clone wrote:He is not going to listen IWS. Hubris is bliss at CCPs offices.
WoW influences are more important than the core values of New Eden.
Kthxbai. Hi; let me tell you by how wrong you are. The idea he presents to you all is version 2.0, which if the CPM didn't so tear apart the first idea would have likely never existed. Go back into your corner.
I'll jump in the middle of this. I think spectral's point is that what we're seeing is V2. IF the original plan was as bad as you suggest, then V1 was even more removed from the core principles of New Eden. While it is reassuring that the concept has evolved, the question still must be asked: what understanding is there of New Eden for progression to have started where it did, to end up here where it is only after CPM intervention? I think it's a reasonable assumption then to relate it to WoW, in that WoW has been commercially successful. Assuming that a fundamental understanding of what New Eden is was not the bar to which these conceptual decisions were measured, then it was not the heart of New Eden, but rather the commercial potential of simplifying things that was the deciding factor. While it may not be exactly Warcraft, from the perspective way down here it looks to be more Warcraft than not. For sure not New Eden.
With all that said, hell, wtf do we down here know? We're still looking for more of a road map or what the concept it/was/will be just to try to offer conversation on the topic. I thought that was the point of the sticky up top, that at the moment is just collecting dust---no pun intended.
Again, not trying to rustle feathers. Just hopefully clarifying. I could be wrong there too, so eh. lol. =\
All the best,
- me.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Well the thing is CCP Z is new to new eden overall so its taking time to coach him up and get him up to speed on the entire how the universe works. CCP Z is also one of those formerly black box devs to its been a careful dance on trying to get him out to the public or talking with the cpm and trying to make it a positive experience instead of something he rather run away from. So getting to talk to him directly has been becomming difficult because of not only this but the simple fact he is freakishly busy trying to get one of the major features needed for the project completed.
CCP Z does have principles and goals; to which I will say are needed; to make the game a bit more accessible to outsiders of new eden and a bit more approachable for the 15 minutes of glory Dust 514 normally engages in moment to moment (where as eve its 99% boredom and 1% sheer absolute terror)
Its the method you, me and we as a community are having problems with.and by that I know he is willing and able to change things around to keep on track to what is needed. If we, as a community, can get CCP Ratatti to open up more it would be great step forward but I did not appreciate some of the folks setting that back with their emotions out of check.
Understood, and appreciated. This gives a bit more perspective. I may not totally agree with one thing or another, but I can absolutely respect the discussion. And as long as the discussion continues, I for one am happy. So thanks for making the effort there.
- me.
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Posted - 2014.06.23 23:07:00 -
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Off topic (sort of): I got a clearance rack copy of Crysis 3 over at Kmart last weekend. Started up the campaign and first option up was to go through the training simulator or not. I did as it's been a while since I played Crysis. Yeah, I'm lagging behind the world. Whatever.
I learned how to:
- Walk from point A to B
- Crouch
- Jump
- Power Jump
- Power Jump + Grapple Climb
- Run
- Power Slide
- Toggle Armor
- Toggle Stealth Mode
- Stealth Attack
- Aim and Fire
- ADS and Fire
- Manually switch from single-fire to automatic
- Manually access in-game sub-screen to apply silencer
- Toggle Primary/Secondary Weapon
- Reload
- Throw Grenade (with targeting trajectory!)
- Notified that grenades cook for 4 seconds before I killed myself
- Restock Ammo from Supply Crates
- Toggle Visor
- Access Visor Hack
- Toggle Nano-Vision (infrared style)
...all within a very minimally staged walking path that only appeared upon completion of the requested task at hand. Oh, and there was this sexy AURA type voice coaching me along to boot. At the end of the less than 10-minute run-through, I was able to play a very generic stage with a few walls to climb, a single turret to either hack or destroy, and about 5 reds to kill one way or another. Oh. I could see my feet too ;)
Then I started the game proper.
That's neither here nor there. Maybe. or... hm.
- me.
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Posted - 2014.06.23 23:29:00 -
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