DUST Search - I don't get the hype about shotguns...

Gemini Cuspid wrote:

Tectonic Fusion wrote:

Yeah, I get it if you're really good with it then in pubs you can destroy terrible players, but in PC, they will scan you unless you're a heavily dampened gal scout with no tank, meaning if you do flank someone, they have an equal chance of beating you (or a slightly higher chance of winning if they are brick tanked). Lots of shotgun scout fail to kill be because I know how to backpeddle. Sure, if they get a good flank then I'm as good as dead, but it's a CQC weapon so I'm not complaining. It is currently under-preforming compared to rifles, so what's the hype?

You really did answer your own question and, pre~hotfixes, you basically could build a scout to be essentially invisible. Saying that, it's not a bad idea to still use it; a lot of players do find it beneficial to use multiple weapons to get a basic idea of how to defend from it. Probably the most underrated skill is counter-sniping especially against a Thale. If your not an elite sniper then trying that out also gives you a good visual on how to avoid it when on the ground as a regular grunt troop.

Shotguns are a nice edge if your trying to master the art of up close combat and stealth. Sure you can backpedal but that's part of the learning curve; not everyone does it.

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Tectonic Fusion 1741	Posted - 2014.06.20 22:39:00 - [1] - Quote Yeah, I get it if you're really good with it then in pubs you can destroy terrible players, but in PC, they will scan you unless you're a heavily dampened gal scout with no tank, meaning if you do flank someone, they have an equal chance of beating you (or a slightly higher chance of winning if they are brick tanked). Lots of shotgun scout fail to kill be because I know how to backpeddle. Sure, if they get a good flank then I'm as good as dead, but it's a CQC weapon so I'm not complaining. It is currently under-preforming compared to rifles, so what's the hype?
Gemini Cuspid 109	Posted - 2014.06.20 22:46:00 - [2] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Yeah, I get it if you're really good with it then in pubs you can destroy terrible players, but in PC, they will scan you unless you're a heavily dampened gal scout with no tank, meaning if you do flank someone, they have an equal chance of beating you (or a slightly higher chance of winning if they are brick tanked). Lots of shotgun scout fail to kill be because I know how to backpeddle. Sure, if they get a good flank then I'm as good as dead, but it's a CQC weapon so I'm not complaining. It is currently under-preforming compared to rifles, so what's the hype? You really did answer your own question and, pre~hotfixes, you basically could build a scout to be essentially invisible. Saying that, it's not a bad idea to still use it; a lot of players do find it beneficial to use multiple weapons to get a basic idea of how to defend from it. Probably the most underrated skill is counter-sniping especially against a Thale. If your not an elite sniper then trying that out also gives you a good visual on how to avoid it when on the ground as a regular grunt troop. Shotguns are a nice edge if your trying to master the art of up close combat and stealth. Sure you can backpedal but that's part of the learning curve; not everyone does it.
Khulmach Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 22	Posted - 2014.06.20 22:49:00 - [3] - Quote Loser noobs be ******** cause their to lazy to use scanners when the only time it should fail is with a gallente scout.Thats the only time it fails for me and I use double to tripled precision enhancers. Now you see me,now you die(Nova knife slash)
Tectonic Fusion 1743	Posted - 2014.06.20 22:51:00 - [4] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Yeah, I get it if you're really good with it then in pubs you can destroy terrible players, but in PC, they will scan you unless you're a heavily dampened gal scout with no tank, meaning if you do flank someone, they have an equal chance of beating you (or a slightly higher chance of winning if they are brick tanked). Lots of shotgun scout fail to kill be because I know how to backpeddle. Sure, if they get a good flank then I'm as good as dead, but it's a CQC weapon so I'm not complaining. It is currently under-preforming compared to rifles, so what's the hype? You really did answer your own question and, pre~hotfixes, you basically could build a scout to be essentially invisible. Saying that, it's not a bad idea to still use it; a lot of players do find it beneficial to use multiple weapons to get a basic idea of how to defend from it. Probably the most underrated skill is counter-sniping especially against a Thale. If your not an elite sniper then trying that out also gives you a good visual on how to avoid it when on the ground as a regular grunt troop. Shotguns are a nice edge if your trying to master the art of up close combat and stealth. Sure you can backpedal but that's part of the learning curve; not everyone does it. Right when a high alpha damage weapon hits me, I immediately strafe/jump/backpeddle the opposite direction they are in (lots of variable included like how my squad is positioned to determine the most likely place the shotgunner is) and spin around and shoot him in the face. Tac ARs FTW!!!
Khulmach Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2014.06.20 22:51:00 - [5] - Quote Not everyone is smart or good so they *** on the forum like little ***. Now you see me,now you die(Nova knife slash)
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 932	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:04:00 - [6] - Quote Rifles have always been the vocal majority Something else outperforms it in area = Buff my set up Nerf theirs *People want their hand held and their set up to be the go to set up. The village idiot is the one you go to for advice. My Destiny Will Be Streamed
Michael Arck 4766	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:05:00 - [7] - Quote I like shotties in pub matches. Its fun. But in PC? No, I would never even consider using it and never even did when I played in some PC matches. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 113	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:16:00 - [8] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I like shotties in pub matches. Its fun. But in PC? No, I would never even consider using it and never even did when I played in some PC matches. yeah... all the shotties I see in PC use remotes or their side arm most of the match... think that says something.
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 139	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:23:00 - [9] - Quote I love my shotgun, especially in PC. Where I find it falters is actually in solo play where I can't count on my team to actually contribute and give me a way to flank from. Backpeddalers are annoying and catch me when I turn my brain off but I've learned to trick them when I want to. er, my brain usually IS turned off though
Tectonic Fusion 1743	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:27:00 - [10] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: I love my shotgun, especially in PC. Where I find it falters is actually in solo play where I can't count on my team to actually contribute and give me a way to flank from. Backpeddalers are annoying and catch me when I turn my brain off but I've learned to trick them when I want to. er, my brain usually IS turned off though Though, a good shot where the crosshairs are between the head and back will be a guaranteed kill on most medium/scout frames, and if all else fails the SMG will do the trick...

Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 140	Posted - 2014.06.20 23:32:00 - [11] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Though, a good shot where the crosshairs are between the head and back will be a guaranteed kill on most medium/scout frames, and if all else fails the SMG will do the trick... Or if you're close enough, a good beatdown to cap it off works great. My favorite.
Elitist Ultima Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.06.28 20:55:00 - [12] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: Though, a good shot where the crosshairs are between the head and back will be a guaranteed kill on most medium/scout frames, and if all else fails the SMG will do the trick... Or if you're close enough, a good beatdown to cap it off works great. My favorite. Nine. "Meh."
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 674	Posted - 2014.06.28 21:26:00 - [13] - Quote The only people complaining about it are terribad players in the first place "Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!" -Buzz Kill
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4063	Posted - 2014.06.28 21:35:00 - [14] - Quote I remember when Assault Shotties were thoroughly badass. The old KinCatz, old SG Sharpshooter..... those were the glory days. I can't play SG worth a ** now, but I give them a try at least once a week for * and giggles. I had a point when I started typing..... Oh well, ** it. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2385	Posted - 2014.06.28 21:39:00 - [15] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: The only people complaining about it are terribad players in the first place In PC, i only use a tri damped fit with a CR and IshNoks for the heavies (1700 HP, anyone?). The SG is really bad against good players, so unless they have another shotgunner i don't use it. Really, the only time ill pull it out is to kill other shotgunning scouts, cause thats what I'm good at (as well as the shotgun) is really just killing other shotgunners Though if your stacking that many plates on a heavy for PC your probably a bad heavy. Tanker/Logi 0 The number of 7ucks given
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 676	Posted - 2014.06.28 21:43:00 - [16] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: The only people complaining about it are terribad players in the first place In PC, i only use a tri damped fit with a CR and IshNoks for the heavies (1700 HP, anyone?). The SG is really bad against good players, so unless they have another shotgunner i don't use it. Really, the only time ill pull it out is to kill other shotgunning scouts, cause thats what I'm good at (as well as the shotgun) is really just killing other shotgunners Though if your stacking that many plates on a heavy for PC your probably a bad heavy. Or have a good logi...but yeah, fighting certain corps, I have ran into just under 2k HP gal sentinels being followed by their minmitar logis, and its a pretty tough combo to break "Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!" -Buzz Kill
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2385	Posted - 2014.06.28 21:43:00 - [17] - Quote The real problem is that anyone who was a good scout pre-buff is now amazing and any amazing scouts pre-buff are now god-like. For example I saw Fusion Commander drop a 48-4 bomb pre-buff just imagine what he can do now. Tanker/Logi 0 The number of 7ucks given
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 676	Posted - 2014.06.28 21:44:00 - [18] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: I remember when Assault Shotties were thoroughly badass. The old KinCatz, old SG Sharpshooter..... those were the glory days. I can't play SG worth a ** now, but I give them a try at least once a week for * and giggles. I had a point when I started typing..... Oh well, ** it. Old kin cats nostalgia "Goddamn it! I have to take out my plasma cannon to kill him cause I can't kill him with my flay lock!" -Buzz Kill
Benjamin Ciscko The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 2385	Posted - 2014.06.28 21:44:00 - [19] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: The only people complaining about it are terribad players in the first place In PC, i only use a tri damped fit with a CR and IshNoks for the heavies (1700 HP, anyone?). The SG is really bad against good players, so unless they have another shotgunner i don't use it. Really, the only time ill pull it out is to kill other shotgunning scouts, cause thats what I'm good at (as well as the shotgun) is really just killing other shotgunners Though if your stacking that many plates on a heavy for PC your probably a bad heavy. Or have a good logi...but yeah, fighting certain corps, I have ran into just under 2k HP gal sentinels being followed by their minmitar logis, and its a pretty tough combo to break I just love how they think they don't have to strafe though. Tanker/Logi 0 The number of 7ucks given
TEBOW BAGGINS Defenders of the Helghast Dream Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1069	Posted - 2014.06.28 22:01:00 - [20] - Quote everyone knows already that pubstars who run militia/have the loudest forum voice develop the game for everyone else. "my MLT wepXXX did not beat protoXXX- i want proto nerfed and everything else balanced around my 2 month old fit" AKA Zirzo Valcyn

Tectonic Fusion 1797	Posted - 2014.06.28 22:02:00 - [21] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: The real problem is that anyone who was a good scout pre-buff is now amazing and any amazing scouts pre-buff are now god-like. For example I saw Fusion Commander drop a 48-4 bomb pre-buff just imagine what he can do now. So people need to HTFU and get better. I remember him brick tanking in 1.7... I dropped his proto ass a bunch of times. I was actually the only one who killed him in the matches that I saw him in 1.7.
Tectonica Fusionus Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.06.28 23:21:00 - [22] - Quote F U ALL!!! TOTALLY not an ALT.
Elitist Ultima Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 8	Posted - 2014.06.28 23:50:00 - [23] - Quote Tectonica Fusionus wrote: F U ALL!!! Liar. VII "Meh."
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 94	Posted - 2014.06.29 00:33:00 - [24] - Quote I wouldn't run it on anything but Gallente or Amarr scouts. Caldari should have a long range weapon with precision and range modules. Minmatar should have a combat rifle. Period.
Tectonic Fusion 1799	Posted - 2014.06.29 00:58:00 - [25] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: I wouldn't run it on anything but Gallente or Amarr scouts. Caldari should have a long range weapon with precision and range modules. Minmatar should have a combat rifle. Period. Nope. Nova Knives and IASMGs.
Pushing Charlie 205	Posted - 2014.06.29 12:38:00 - [26] - Quote Its because of the lag in PC, unlike full / burst weapons. With the Shotgun you have to make every shot count, because in PC its going to take at least two shots to get your average suit down, and even if there is a bit of lag it can really harm the player. In Pubs its amazing though, because they're not as laggy (Usually) and almost every enemy dies from being hit once. In the PCs I'm in I find myself using the RE in more situations where the Shotgun should rock because of how unpredictable the lag is. Some day I'll make it work. Some day. ;_; Knight Soiaire I am the Wizard from the moon. I BELIEVE!
JARREL THOMAS Dead Man's Game 322	Posted - 2014.06.29 13:13:00 - [27] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Yeah, I get it if you're really good with it then in pubs you can destroy terrible players, but in PC, they will scan you unless you're a heavily dampened gal scout with no tank, meaning if you do flank someone, they have an equal chance of beating you (or a slightly higher chance of winning if they are brick tanked). Lots of shotgun scout fail to kill be because I know how to backpeddle. Sure, if they get a good flank then I'm as good as dead, but it's a CQC weapon so I'm not complaining. It is currently under-preforming compared to rifles, so what's the hype? Reads and walks away from thread -_- Caldari Loyalist I speak for the rabbits
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 3435	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:43:00 - [28] - Quote The RoF nerf kind of did in the shotgun, and the slight dmg buff doesn't feel like it made any difference. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Tectonic Fusion 1807	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:49:00 - [29] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The RoF nerf kind of did in the shotgun, and the slight dmg buff doesn't feel like it made any difference. It literally did nothing but nerf the gun. It still 2-4 shots everything and one shots scouts (who don't stack armor that is...) at no prof to prof 5.


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