We have less vehicle hulls and the ones that are not deleted have less slots so less fitting options

We have less vehicle modules so again less fitting options which lead to triple rep maddys because other modules are not worth putting on or using

We have less useful skills which even provide a small passive bonus, half just unlock more mods so the difference between a 25mil SP pilot and a 0SP pilot is basically **** all

We will never see another set of advanced/proto hulls either and the one we did have before had militia stats and the surya/sagarais which was removed never returned and yet im told what we have is tiercide so if it is tiercide then our proto tanks only have 3/2 slots which is a joke

You keep nerfing the **** out of everything, railgun is now a joke with less range, more overheat with no mods to reduce it, less damage, longer fire time while the turret prof doesnt work because it turns slower than a oil tanker while the blaster turrets now have a HMG range and dispersion where the shots miss most things unless they are close enough to put RE on you because every shot misses them while the small turrets are needed yet a madrugar cannot fit them without gimping the tank because CPU skill book no longer offers 5% per level which would really help, hardeners are literally pointless since they stop nothing and shield regen in EVE carrys on while in DUST it stops when someone looks at it and extenders are meh and dont even increase recharge like it does in EVE

You want it to be an infantry game, you want it to be an FPS, you have failed to balance vehicles for the past 2+ years and wont even look at using capacitors or even look at EVE for ideas and instead we have a half arsed way with timers while militia does exactly the same job as proto anyways and any feedback is generally ignored in favour for infantry who dont even use the damn things but yet cant be arsed to even consider using teamwork and want to solo everything with milita swarm launchers

Why even bother?

we deffinatly should not revert to pre 1.6 it would be a step backwards, however if the pre 1.7 modules were reintorduced as well as keeping what we have now it wouldbe a giant step foward toward ture vehicle balance

Just be patient and let Rat fix the game.He makes a lot of changes in a month just a shorter time then ccp in 6 months

we deffinatly should not revert to pre 1.6 it would be a step backwards, however if the pre 1.7 modules were reintorduced as well as keeping what we have now it wouldbe a giant step foward toward ture vehicle balance

As an infantry player who went through uprising 1.0 till now, I'm really happy to see you tankers complaining about dying
Indeed, I think tanks are in a good place now, even though I agree that they dont have enough choice between modules, they are huge menace but still killable if you are well geared with a AV friend ^^
You got used to something way too good and can't accept that it got balanced now.

And yes man, this is a FPS, if you only see tanks in dust, you should play World of tanks. Tanks vs Infantry has always been a problem in almost every games!
IMO vehicles in FPS should only exist to transport, not killing people as this is a FPS, not a tank simulation. But I know many people won't agree with me ^^

As an infantry player who went through uprising 1.0 till now, I'm really happy to see you tankers complaining about dying
Indeed, I think tanks are in a good place now, even though I agree that they dont have enough choice between modules, they are huge menace but still killable if you are well geared with a AV friend ^^
You got used to something way too good and can't accept that it got balanced now.

And yes man, this is a FPS, if you only see tanks in dust, you should play World of tanks. Tanks vs Infantry has always been a problem in almost every games!
IMO vehicles in FPS should only exist to transport, not killing people as this is a FPS, not a tank simulation. But I know many people won't agree with me ^^

As an infantry player who went through uprising 1.0 till now, I'm really happy to see you tankers complaining about dying
Indeed, I think tanks are in a good place now, even though I agree that they dont have enough choice between modules, they are huge menace but still killable if you are well geared with a AV friend ^^
You got used to something way too good and can't accept that it got balanced now.

And yes man, this is a FPS, if you only see tanks in dust, you should play World of tanks. Tanks vs Infantry has always been a problem in almost every games!
IMO vehicles in FPS should only exist to transport, not killing people as this is a FPS, not a tank simulation. But I know many people won't agree with me ^^

I rarely die

Infantry will not team up with an AV friend, they always want to solo with militia swarms and cry when it doesnt work

Triple rep maddys were used because other modules suck, i cant help it if that was my go to fitting because every other module has been removed or made utterly and completely useless

I play WOT and i now also play Planetside which amazingly has no problem with vehicles and infantry and the kicker is you can say that is an FPS so if they can do it why cant CCP?

You should play COD if you dont want vehicles in game

As an infantry player who went through uprising 1.0 till now, I'm really happy to see you tankers complaining about dying
Indeed, I think tanks are in a good place now, even though I agree that they dont have enough choice between modules, they are huge menace but still killable if you are well geared with a AV friend ^^
You got used to something way too good and can't accept that it got balanced now.

And yes man, this is a FPS, if you only see tanks in dust, you should play World of tanks. Tanks vs Infantry has always been a problem in almost every games!
IMO vehicles in FPS should only exist to transport, not killing people as this is a FPS, not a tank simulation. But I know many people won't agree with me ^^

Taki?

If you don't like what you've got, no one is more to blame than you and your ilk. Rather than giving ear to the balance concerns, you guys openly mocked those who'd express them. Rather than looking for fixes for an obvious issue, you guys looked the other way and pretended everything was fine.

Now you wish to pitch fits and play the victim?

I don't really see how you can blame tankers in their entirety.

I rarely die

Infantry will not team up with an AV friend, they always want to solo with militia swarms and cry when it doesnt work

Triple rep maddys were used because other modules suck, i cant help it if that was my go to fitting because every other module has been removed or made utterly and completely useless

I play WOT and i now also play Planetside which amazingly has no problem with vehicles and infantry and the kicker is you can say that is an FPS so if they can do it why cant CCP?

You should play COD if you dont want vehicles in game

Taki?

If you don't like what you've got, no one is more to blame than you and your ilk. Rather than giving ear to the balance concerns, you guys openly mocked those who'd express them. Rather than looking for fixes for an obvious issue, you guys looked the other way and pretended everything was fine.

Now you wish to pitch fits and play the victim?

You asked for these changes you deal with em because im playing other games

Are they single-player games?
The kind that come with difficulty settings?

BF3 Vet here.

The problem with Vehicles right now (From an infantry standpoint) is our inability to DEFEND ourselves.

In BF3, you could attack infantry easily, but you still had to watch out for Engineers. SMAW's and RPG's would tear you to SHREDS if you stuck around with competent AV. (I used to love tag-teaming tanks with a buddy. We could distract him with RPG's and have another dude hit the sweet spot and disable. Once disabled, he was as good as dead. Smart Tankers would immediately get range and let the gunner do the work. Idiots would try to splash us with the main gun.)

Not the same here. I've seen tanks eat rounds all day, and due to Swarms requiring lock, you really only get 1-2 volleys off before he pins you down and stops you from firing another shot.

Now this in itself isn't really a problem. Just use more than one AV. Same in Battlefield.

HOWEVER, you have to spec into AV here. You have to have the Fit already made and ready to respond. In BF3, EVERYONE had access to an Engineer with all the tools ready. MLT Swarms are a joke in comparison. MLT tanks are FAR too powerful for their comparative AV.

Tanks and Infantry need a HEALTHY relationship in order to co-exist. Tanks need to be viable forms of both Anti-Infantry and Anti-Vehicle, but they cannot dominate both aspects. It creates inbalances.

Same for Infantry. We do not need to lord over tanks like we did in the past. 2 Swarmers shouldn't lock down the whole map, the same way that a Blaster and a Rail shouldn't prevent most infantry from being able to even leave the city.

Don't bother trying to make people change their mind. They weren't listening before, they won't listen after.
Dust tankers think that because they are in a tank, they must be unkillable. And it has always been this way.

(Knee jerk rage to perceived ignorance redacted)

Please refrain from making sweeping generalist assertions about Tankers, most of us want balance more than you know.