Echo 1991 wrote:Jack Galen wrote:I pilot most of the time with an incubus (AV) or a grimsnes (infantry support).
This is the bit I don't understand:
Infantry, your suits and weapons cost about ten percent of the cost of an ADS, possibly twenty percent for all you protos, and that's for an ADV ADS, not proto. When you are having a hard time killing it, consider that; the pilot has invested huge amounts of SP and ISK, whereas a militia forge gun on a militia frame can end an ADS quite easily. I am actually very happy with AV at the moment - flying can be easy, unless the enemy work together (wait, what? :P) to take you down. When 2-3 infantry / a rail tank and a forge work together to take me out, I feel that I'm fair game.
What I don't want to see are the return of the days where I lift off and suddenly get mullered by 7 groups of unrendered swarms, 2 forge guns and a rail installation within 5 seconds, every time. :/
One other idea: why can't it be a food chain? Infantry>Tanks>dropships>infantry for example? Aren't some match ups meant to be more one-sided than others? :)
My AV fit costs 150k. Unless your dropship costs 1.5 million its not 10 percent. I have invested sp into my suit, equipment guns and other skills i need. I am weak to any form of anti infantry in order to kill you. I will die more than you will trying to get a decent shot. It will be more expensive for me. And as for needing 3 people to kill you that is a farce. In a 16v16 match hqving 3 people out of the fit gives the team a large advantage.
^Was going to say pretty much this.
Unless the whole other team is running basic fits, my AV fit's SMG is only going to keep me alive through a couple CQC engagements before they decide to gang up on me or I turn a corner on a heavy (or a fat taxi chases me down). All while trying to get a chance to fire a couple of volleys at you to scare you off of my teammates.
It's not like I can sit on a hill and not be noticed by every RR shithead in the vicinity, and there isn't **** I can do about anyone with at least a GEK's range. Even HMG's can kill me before I can kill them with my SMG when they come lumbering my way out in the open because of the HMG's optimal being what it is.
And as for price, at least half the time I loose 1+ suits (160,000ish ISK) before I ever even get the chance to fire on you because of the enemy's infantry. Cloaked scouts, HMG's, RE's, snipers, super-scanning Calscouts and RR roof campers might be funny little blips on
your radar, but on mine they are ruining my day every single time I pull AV.