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duster 35000 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:01:00 - [31] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Shotgun: 4.9m optimal range. Good on you for smashing unorganized newbros. You'd have died fewer times had you used a Fine Rifle. you mean this? Choo Choo
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1868	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:17:00 - [32] - Quote IMO, shotguns have way too low range and way too high alpha, they outstrip the Nova Knives of their role: However this might be me being a Minny Loyalist, and itching for a 10-12 meter shottygun with 400 alpha(Sg hits 510 at adv) and slightly more RoF. Still think they have too high of an alpha. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
Tectonic Fusion 1734	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:23:00 - [33] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: IMO, shotguns have way too low range and way too high alpha, they outstrip the Nova Knives of their role: However this might be me being a Minny Loyalist, and itching for a 10-12 meter shottygun with 400 alpha(Sg hits 510 at adv) and slightly more RoF. Still think they have too high of an alpha. I would go for this.
Lynn Beck NoGameNoLife 1869	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:29:00 - [34] - Quote Honestly though, i think the current shotgun problem is simply the other races missing their CQC weapon- imagine a Railgun Shotty with 600-700 alpha, and 20m Optimal, and having a 1 round 'flechette' clip. Imagine my glorious quad barrel shotgun(bonused by Minassault) Imagine- dear god- an Amarr Shotgun(think Burst Scrambler Rifle, having 4000 RPM, 60 dmg a shot, 20 shot burst and 14m optimal.) Sadly i don't see these being made, any time soon or any time ever in DUST. General John Ripper Like ALL the things!!!
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 139	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:42:00 - [35] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: so i wanted to see what all the hype was about and leveled my shotty to level 5 this is the first time in a year i have tried a shotgun and holy sh*t it is so insanely OP, i almost beat my personal kill record(67) first time i used this weapon... http://i.imgur.com/tc0EtXo.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7EiSLc6.jpg CCP nerf this thing.... lies...
taxi bastard Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 126	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:49:00 - [36] - Quote the SG does not work properly for me.....sometimes i miss but get a kill sometimes they are all in the aiming circle yet no damage, sometimes it works fine. luck of the day. the SG really does pair with the scout too well - situational awareness check speed check stealth check my worry is that the crying over the SG scout will get the scout nerfed when IMO only the caldari scout needs toning down. the most obvious counter is squad-ding with an ewar caldari scout for all the tacnet data or a gallente logi with an active scanner. if you know where they are they are very vulnerable due to the low EHP. the problem is most people are like myself and play solo so its not always a viable option.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2039	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:57:00 - [37] - Quote You also died ten times in a proto suit, so... With a KDR of 6.2... Yeah, I'm okay with your results. High kills, a very respectable KDR, but also hemorrhaged deaths and isk due to in all likeliness unusual aggressiveness to get 62 kills in the first place. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14692	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:11:00 - [38] - Quote I went 81/3 with the Amarr assault + Viziam earlier. Should we nerf it because of that? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Leovarian L Lavitz Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 1093	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:18:00 - [39] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I went 81/3 with the Amarr assault + Viziam earlier. Should we nerf it because of that? slaps on railgun turret on his guristas saga Why'd I miss out!!!! >.< Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in these specialties, none compare in all of them
Izlare Lenix Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo 709	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:39:00 - [40] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I went 81/3 with the Amarr assault + Viziam earlier. Should we nerf it because of that? Did you sneak into academy somehow? But seriously I never understand how some players can get so many kills. By the time I'm hitting 30 kills the reds are hiding in the redline. My best is still 43/2 with adv cal scout and CRW. I couldn't find anymore reds to kill the last few mins of the match. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.

Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 92	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:46:00 - [41] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: so i wanted to see what all the hype was about and leveled my shotty to level 5 this is the first time in a year i have tried a shotgun and holy sh*t it is so insanely OP, i almost beat my personal kill record(67) first time i used this weapon... http://i.imgur.com/tc0EtXo.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7EiSLc6.jpg CCP nerf this thing.... lol this is such a lie... not that you got 67kills... in a match full of noobs that's doable. but that you seem so sincere like you had no issue with shotguns till "you tried it" and now for the good of the game you feel it needs a nerf... I think the truth is you're a heavy and hate the fact that a proto shotgun can 1 shot you... and you're probably a bad heavy who doesn't know his role so you die to even militia shotties cause you aren't doing what youre supposed to do. shotguns are supposed to be the king of CQC, and they aren't quite, because of bad hit detection, which at one point seemed fix, but now not so much... my dren shotty with a 3% dmg mod takes 3 hits on a heavy to kill... unless its a minmitar, then, 2. a proto can pretty much kill any heavy but a proto with one shot... as it should be....but you're not supposed to let them get that close...and that's the shotguns limitation.... range.... this is what you call "balance" and the shotgun (minus hit detection issues) is the most balanced weapon in the game.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 191	Posted - 2014.06.20 08:11:00 - [42] - Quote calvin b wrote: I agree the SG is a bit much at the moment. I am not sure how to address this, oh ya remove cloaks from the game then those who do get kills from the SG do it with skill and not using a cloak as a crutch. If you kill me with a cloaked SG scout or any other cloaked suit its not because of skill. I respec non cloaked SG and NK scouts only, so **** off. Cloak isn't good to have up in combat (if you want to avoid combat thats different) so decloaking in urban environments and using range amps is a much more effective combo. Shotgun is about having situational awareness and map knowledge. So a vet with a MLT shotgun in an urban environment can be highly effective. Cloaks are great, but they are much better used for hauling ass over long exposed distances. They actually combo much better with long range weapons. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
DeathwindRising ROGUE RELICS 366	Posted - 2014.06.20 11:25:00 - [43] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: IMO, shotguns have way too low range and way too high alpha, they outstrip the Nova Knives of their role: However this might be me being a Minny Loyalist, and itching for a 10-12 meter shottygun with 400 alpha(Sg hits 510 at adv) and slightly more RoF. Still think they have too high of an alpha. if all breach weapons are based off caldari weapons... wheres the caldari shotgun?
Schecter 666 71	Posted - 2014.06.20 11:31:00 - [44] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: so i wanted to see what all the hype was about and leveled my shotty to level 5 this is the first time in a year i have tried a shotgun and holy sht it is so insanely OP, i almost beat my personal kill record(67) first time i used this weapon... http://i.imgur.com/tc0EtXo.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7EiSLc6.jpg CCP nerf this thing.... Nerf something which has *** poor hit detection and is only effective within ten metres? Ok..... The Struggle...is tolerating DUST for even 1 match without flushing your own foot down the toilet in a fit of rage.
DEAD-EYE-KILLER Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 12	Posted - 2014.06.20 11:41:00 - [45] - Quote Schecter 666 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: so i wanted to see what all the hype was about and leveled my shotty to level 5 this is the first time in a year i have tried a shotgun and holy sht it is so insanely OP, i almost beat my personal kill record(67) first time i used this weapon... http://i.imgur.com/tc0EtXo.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7EiSLc6.jpg CCP nerf this thing.... Nerf something which has *** poor hit detection and is only effective within ten metres? Ok..... Why do soooooooo many people use the shotgun each match if its soooooooooo bad?
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2309	Posted - 2014.06.20 11:53:00 - [46] - Quote It's not the shotgun, it's the cal scout. PSN: ogamega I'm not a chef, i'm just a man who likes to cook.
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 551	Posted - 2014.06.20 12:58:00 - [47] - Quote DEAD-EYE-KILLER wrote: Schecter 666 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: so i wanted to see what all the hype was about and leveled my shotty to level 5 this is the first time in a year i have tried a shotgun and holy sht it is so insanely OP, i almost beat my personal kill record(67) first time i used this weapon... http://i.imgur.com/tc0EtXo.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7EiSLc6.jpg CCP nerf this thing.... Nerf something which has *** poor hit detection and is only effective within ten metres? Ok..... Why do soooooooo many people use the shotgun each match if its soooooooooo bad? Why were so many people using the militia assault rifle before it got buffed if it was soooooooooooooooooo bad as the player base complained? What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 4305	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:06:00 - [48] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I went 81/3 with the Amarr assault + Viziam earlier. Should we nerf it because of that? No, not everyone can get super good games with the scrambler rifle, seemingly everyone can do well with a scout and a shotgun. Viktor for CPM I'll ring for free(Multiple roles, 51Mil SP) Chat Channel: Vik PC
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1372	Posted - 2014.06.20 15:36:00 - [49] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: so i wanted to see what all the hype was about and leveled my shotty to level 5 this is the first time in a year i have tried a shotgun and holy sh*t it is so insanely OP, i almost beat my personal kill record(67) first time i used this weapon... http://i.imgur.com/tc0EtXo.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7EiSLc6.jpg CCP nerf this thing.... What language is that? Also looks weird that 'CreoDron' is in quotation marks.
IraqiFriendshipExplosive ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 91	Posted - 2014.06.20 16:32:00 - [50] - Quote The shotgun in this game is a joke, if you think it is overpowered then I feel sorry for you. If you let an enemy get that close with a shotgun, what do you expect? You want it to do nothing at all so you can just turn around and spray them down? Be realistic here. Most people`s problems are not the shotgun, but are instead caused by the fact that people are able to sneak up on you so well.

IraqiFriendshipExplosive ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 91	Posted - 2014.06.20 16:33:00 - [51] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I went 81/3 with the Amarr assault + Viziam earlier. Should we nerf it because of that? No, not everyone can get super good games with the scrambler rifle, seemingly everyone can do well with a scout and a shotgun. And where do you get this information from? What basis do you have to make this claim? Also, do you honestly see many shotguns on suits other than a scout? Of course the odd one here and there. If the shotgun itself was OP, you would see it on all and every suit, just like the combat rifle and rail rifle have been used on virtually all suits for a while now.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14709	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:14:00 - [52] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I went 81/3 with the Amarr assault + Viziam earlier. Should we nerf it because of that? No, not everyone can get super good games with the scrambler rifle, seemingly everyone can do well with a scout and a shotgun. I'm not sure if you're trolling here, so forgive me if you are, but - really? Do you honestly believe that? You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact The East India Co. 4315	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:22:00 - [53] - Quote IraqiFriendshipExplosive wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I went 81/3 with the Amarr assault + Viziam earlier. Should we nerf it because of that? No, not everyone can get super good games with the scrambler rifle, seemingly everyone can do well with a scout and a shotgun. And where do you get this information from? What basis do you have to make this claim? Also, do you honestly see many shotguns on suits other than a scout? Of course the odd one here and there. If the shotgun itself was OP, you would see it on all and every suit, just like the combat rifle and rail rifle have been used on virtually all suits for a while now. I'm the dust equivalent of God. I'm all knowing, don't question it. Viktor for CPM I'll ring for free(Multiple roles, 51Mil SP) Chat Channel: Vik PC
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14710	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:23:00 - [54] - Quote Trolling, then. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
OZAROW Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 1448	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:28:00 - [55] - Quote JP Acuna wrote: Nerf the Caldari Scout instead, remove light weapons from all scouts, leave the shotgun as is and it will be a great, balanced assault gun. Yea because after playing scout for a year an a half and having over 10 mill in light weapons sounds like a totally logical choice bravo GÇóGÇóGÇóGÇóhead! SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
CRNWLLC Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 320	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:44:00 - [56] - Quote This thread is hella funny in light of all the QQ about the SG's proficiency bonus changing from +ROF to +Damage against shields--soooooo many people claimed this would kill the SG, and now look where we're at. Quick question, OP--were you using a cloak? If so, I'd say that counts for a lot. Also, with 50m+ SP and presumably most cores and proficiencies maxed or close to it, you running basic gear is equivalent to someone with very little SP running proto gear (which is obviously impossible), so you outcompete at least 50% of reds in any match anyway based on that alone. I mean, I went 37/4 the other day running solo with an advanced ScR fit, but I was playing a bunch of t@rds, so it's not that special. Oh, wait--it must be OP because I "brick tanked" my scout to a whopping 600 eHP. IMO, the ScR (after the HMG, which is a small vehicle weapon that for some reason heavies can equip) is the most OP weapon in the game. Good thing most people are afraid too of semi-auto to find this out, so it will remain that way.
headbust SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 47	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:35:00 - [57] - Quote its funny because all ur pics are of good games with a shotty againt a bunch of randoms not even trying to counter u i guarantee it i have really good games with a shotty too. but if the other team is decent and squaded they can keep u in order. and 50 mill if u wanna flaunt that ur not doing much most of the closed vets that stayed have that plus some so good job flaunt some more. next since u r a vet at this game are u not tired of nerfs. maybe u should play another shotty scout i guarantee u will die more than 5 times and no where near 50 kills they keep each other in check. its called a balanced team. a scout = once you turn your back on me you'll never be able to look back
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 97	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:42:00 - [58] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: IraqiFriendshipExplosive wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I went 81/3 with the Amarr assault + Viziam earlier. Should we nerf it because of that? No, not everyone can get super good games with the scrambler rifle, seemingly everyone can do well with a scout and a shotgun. And where do you get this information from? What basis do you have to make this claim? Also, do you honestly see many shotguns on suits other than a scout? Of course the odd one here and there. If the shotgun itself was OP, you would see it on all and every suit, just like the combat rifle and rail rifle have been used on virtually all suits for a while now. I'm the dust equivalent of God. I'm all knowing, don't question it. lol thank you for shooting any credibility you had in the foot with this ridiculous statement.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2435	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:46:00 - [59] - Quote You have Cyrillic on your screen, and you did good. The Cyrillic must have made you do good. Cyrillic is OP! Nerf Cyrillic!


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