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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.06.20 01:06:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Thanks to the Sentinel suit, the kick is reduced. This is indeed part of the lore. The Sentinel dropsuit is designed to take on such conditions. Look at the Forge Gun. That thing gets so hot that it would melt an ordinary medium suit. The Sentinel suit is built to withstand tougher conditions, such as the HMG.
When have you every played a game where a heavy character controlling a 50 cal, has to worry about kick?
LOL @ trying to find some way to nerf the heavy or the HMG.
The heavy suit is designed so that you can use those weapons and not fall back on your ass everytime you shoot it. Doesn't mean there isn't supposed to be recoil.
The OP is looking for a way to nerf the heavy or HMG. I see what he's doing. It's slick but noticeable.
Why is this even discussed though? Recoil doesn't need to be added. So now, recoil and extra heat build up....yea, people are trying to gimp the heavy. No sir. Heavies are fine where they are now.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.06.20 01:13:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Thanks to the Sentinel suit, the kick is reduced. This is indeed part of the lore. The Sentinel dropsuit is designed to take on such conditions. Look at the Forge Gun. That thing gets so hot that it would melt an ordinary medium suit. The Sentinel suit is built to withstand tougher conditions, such as the HMG.
When have you every played a game where a heavy character controlling a 50 cal, has to worry about kick?
LOL @ trying to find some way to nerf the heavy or the HMG.
The heavy suit is designed so that you can use those weapons and not fall back on your ass everytime you shoot it. Doesn't mean there isn't supposed to be recoil. The OP is looking for a way to nerf the heavy or HMG. I see what he's doing. It's slick but noticeable. Why is this even discussed though? Recoil doesn't need to be added. So now, recoil and extra heat build up....yea, people are trying to gimp the heavy. No sir. Heavies are fine where they are now.
You really think that heavies are balanced?
How could you call it balanced when, on the road for a longer TTK, every weapon EXCEPT for the HMG had its dpb nerfed. And if that wasn't the kicker, they got a buff to baseline hp. And on top of all of that, they added resistances to the very weapons that other classes need to kill them. Gallente sentinels were given resistance to armor weapons...that's insane.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.06.20 01:16:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Thanks to the Sentinel suit, the kick is reduced. This is indeed part of the lore. The Sentinel dropsuit is designed to take on such conditions. Look at the Forge Gun. That thing gets so hot that it would melt an ordinary medium suit. The Sentinel suit is built to withstand tougher conditions, such as the HMG.
When have you every played a game where a heavy character controlling a 50 cal, has to worry about kick?
LOL @ trying to find some way to nerf the heavy or the HMG.
The heavy suit is designed so that you can use those weapons and not fall back on your ass everytime you shoot it. Doesn't mean there isn't supposed to be recoil. The OP is looking for a way to nerf the heavy or HMG. I see what he's doing. It's slick but noticeable. Why is this even discussed though? Recoil doesn't need to be added. So now, recoil and extra heat build up....yea, people are trying to gimp the heavy. No sir. Heavies are fine where they are now. You really think that heavies are balanced? How could you call it balanced when, on the road for a longer TTK, every weapon EXCEPT for the HMG had its dpb nerfed. And if that wasn't the kicker, they got a buff to baseline hp. And on top of all of that, they added resistances to the very weapons that other classes need to kill them. Gallente sentinels were given resistance to armor weapons...that's insane.
Again, I think the heavies are fine where they are now. They weren't a threat and nothing but a joke in 1.7. Heavies dealt with a period of dullness. Let them have their time to shine.
The constant fluctuation of nerf/buff/nerf/buff is just tiresome. I can deal with heavies where they are now. Let's just leave it at that.
Archistrategos
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.06.20 01:22:00 -
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NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Try running at full speed while firing. How the hell can you run and fire?
Easy, don't sprint.
Normal movement is considered running speed btw.
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French
Red Whines.
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:59:00 -
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HMG is basically a Gatling Gun.
Gatling guns when used on a Tripod don't have ANY kick.
And even without tri-pod, the gatling gun system IS an Anti-recoil system.
The only thing which makes it "normally" can't be used as an infantry weapon is the weight and further more the bullets weight.
Oh and the sentinel suits IS the "tripod"
Anyway recoil on the HMG is non-sense.
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Foo Fighting
THE HANDS OF DEATH
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:17:00 -
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If it's the suit that prevents recoil and kick it would stand to reason that the light frame suits should suffer rifle kick more than medium frames. |
XxWarlordxX97
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:48:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Other games aswell add lots of kick to LMG's. You shouldnt be capable to spray the whole clip without any problem whatsoever. You can keep the damage and rate of fire but at least let it kick like a horse.
Its a HMG not LMG
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XxWarlordxX97
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:49:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:HMG is basically a Gatling Gun.
Gatling guns when used on a Tripod don't have ANY kick.
And even without tri-pod, the gatling gun system IS an Anti-recoil system.
The only thing which makes it "normally" can't be used as an infantry weapon is the weight and further more the bullets weight.
Oh and the sentinel suits IS the "tripod"
Anyway recoil on the HMG is non-sense.
Thank you
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:06:00 -
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I would still like to know why CCP thought it would be a good idea to call their multi-barrelled 'Gatling-type' weapon an 'HMG' (implying a single barrel with a relatively low rate of fire). |
OliX PRZESMIEWCA
Bezimienni...
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:10:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Why is it that the most powerfull gun has like no kick to it? I can hold down R1 and empty allmost a full clip without any problems. Its even worse cause the HMG rewards the player cause the spread gets smaller the longer you shot. In my opinion the thing needs much more kick (reticule kicks up or left-right). Sure its a heavy weapon but if you just spray around you should pay the price with accuracy. And with more kick i mean that the gun should behave like a AR when you reached the ned of your 60 round clip.
Haha said guy who use broken hit box caldari scout like an asault all the time. Wanna kill hmg from close range? Use shotgun. |
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:18:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Try running at full speed while firing. never seen some 1 in the game beeing capable to sprint and fire at the same time. I call devhax.
IWS doesn't actually play the game outside of a few pubs every other week. Dont be so hard on him
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Kam Elto
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:28:00 -
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why would it kick? the bullets from an HMG aren't that powerful. most do less than 20 damage. it just shoots a lot of them really fast.
anyways, Jessie Ventura's gun didn't kick when he mowed down the jungle in Predator! |
IraqiFriendshipExplosive
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:29:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:The only weapon in this game with kick while ADS is the Assault Scrambler Rifle.
It cannot be negated by burst firing the weapon like you can with the AR or ACR
Most guns do have a "barrel rise" effect, but that only occurs when you're just hip firing the weapon.
How about the Magsec Smg? Even at level 5 that thing feels like it still kicks all over the place while ADS. |
CLONE117
True Pros Forever
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:52:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:Why is it that the most powerfull gun has like no kick to it? I can hold down R1 and empty allmost a full clip without any problems. Its even worse cause the HMG rewards the player cause the spread gets smaller the longer you shot. In my opinion the thing needs much more kick (reticule kicks up or left-right). Sure its a heavy weapon but if you just spray around you should pay the price with accuracy. And with more kick i mean that the gun should behave like a AR when you reached the ned of your 60 round clip.
illl put it in simple terms on why it doesnt needed it.
long reload.
fast rof.
sometimes takes half a clip to kill a single person. could it kill three in a row in quick succession or more?. sure. within 10-20 meters though.
and depends on how fast or how much hp they've got on them.
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