DUST Search - The HMG has allmost no kick

Vitharr Foebane wrote:

J4yne C0bb wrote:

Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:

Realism-based Arguments have no place in Game Balance.

Yeah, agreed.

That being said, it seems like the HMG had a lot more kick than it now does -- though honestly, it's hard for me to tell if the kick was lessened, or if I just got better at compensating for it.

After playing a lot of heavy last night, I prefer Rattati's idea that if anything needs to happen to the HMG, a faster overheat mechanic would be best. I was able to mow down mercs last night in the Research Facility map (29-3) without overheating once, just laying on the trigger for long periods. An quicker overheat penalty would reward skill and reduce spray & pray -- although anybody that has played heavy understands that 'spray & pray' is a mischaracterization of how the HMG works, but hopefully it would stem the tide of tears around here about it.

Overheat wont stop the tears it wouldnt do anything for the scouts (yeah you're the ones b*tching the loudest even though you have wall hacks and invisibility) who want to run at a HMG head on and live

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The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3279	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:42:00 - [1] - Quote Why is it that the most powerfull gun has like no kick to it? I can hold down R1 and empty allmost a full clip without any problems. Its even worse cause the HMG rewards the player cause the spread gets smaller the longer you shot. In my opinion the thing needs much more kick (reticule kicks up or left-right). Sure its a heavy weapon but if you just spray around you should pay the price with accuracy. And with more kick i mean that the gun should behave like a AR when you reached the ned of your 60 round clip.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines. 710	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:03:00 - [2] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Why is it that the most powerfull gun has like no kick to it? I can hold down R1 and empty allmost a full clip without any problems. Its even worse cause the HMG rewards the player cause the spread gets smaller the longer you shot. In my opinion the thing needs much more kick (reticule kicks up or left-right). Sure its a heavy weapon but if you just spray around you should pay the price with accuracy. And with more kick i mean that the gun should behave like a AR when you reached the ned of your 60 round clip. Well that's the point about the "Gatling" system, an Anti-recoil weapon, further more Heavy suits with Heavy weapons are designed to this.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 1077	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:06:00 - [3] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Well that's the point about the "Gatling" system, an Anti-recoil weapon, further more Heavy suits with Heavy weapons are designed to this. Have never seen any logic behind this explanation v0v :-S
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15547	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:11:00 - [4] - Quote Try running at full speed while firing. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked
Tectonic Fusion 1720	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:17:00 - [5] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Why is it that the most powerfull gun has like no kick to it? I can hold down R1 and empty allmost a full clip without any problems. Its even worse cause the HMG rewards the player cause the spread gets smaller the longer you shot. In my opinion the thing needs much more kick (reticule kicks up or left-right). Sure its a heavy weapon but if you just spray around you should pay the price with accuracy. And with more kick i mean that the gun should behave like a AR when you reached the ned of your 60 round clip. Well that's the point about the "Gatling" system, an Anti-recoil weapon, further more Heavy suits with Heavy weapons are designed to this. True ^
Powerh8er Ganking Jugend 448	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:19:00 - [6] - Quote Machine guns only have recoil in movies and cartoons.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 3742	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:22:00 - [7] - Quote The only weapon in this game with kick while ADS is the Assault Scrambler Rifle. It cannot be negated by burst firing the weapon like you can with the AR or ACR Most guns do have a "barrel rise" effect, but that only occurs when you're just hip firing the weapon. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9610	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:23:00 - [8] - Quote Powerh8er wrote: Machine guns only have recoil in movies and cartoons. So basically only in media which involves entertainment ? I wonder if video games would fit in that category. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Powerh8er Ganking Jugend 448	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:37:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: Powerh8er wrote: Machine guns only have recoil in movies and cartoons. So basically only in media which involves entertainment ? I wonder if video games would fit in that category. I was going to edit that, but ending up watching this. MG3
Malkai Inos Any Given Day 1400	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:37:00 - [10] - Quote Atiim wrote: Powerh8er wrote: Machine guns only have recoil in movies and cartoons. So basically only in media which involves entertainment ? I wonder if video games would fit in that category. Movies and cartoons also have unlimited magazines. Oh and invincible protagonists. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Jake Diesel Legion-10 167	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:40:00 - [11] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Well that's the point about the "Gatling" system, an Anti-recoil weapon, further more Heavy suits with Heavy weapons are designed to this. Have never seen any logic behind this explanation v0v The heavy dropsuit is not just another suit with more armor. How do you think these clones can drop from extremely high places without completely dying upon landing? Each suit is designed differently and to serve a purpose. For the heavy dropsuit, it's mechanisms are designed to allow the user to be able to carry larger heavier weapons and fire them with minimum effort. If you were to strip away all the armor off a heavy dropsuit and a scout dropsuit, you'd clearly see that they are both significantly different. A scout dropsuit as well as the standard medium frame dropsuit do not have the mechanical capabilities to wield such heavy weapons. But at the same time, this is why heavies are significantly slower than the rest.
Midas Fool Watchdoge Explosives 476	Posted - 2014.06.19 20:16:00 - [12] - Quote Just so you know... CAPTURE CA-LARGE BLASTER TURRETS TO DESTROY ENEMY MCC
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1850	Posted - 2014.06.19 20:54:00 - [13] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Why is it that the most powerfull gun has like no kick to it? I can hold down R1 and empty allmost a full clip without any problems. Its even worse cause the HMG rewards the player cause the spread gets smaller the longer you shot. In my opinion the thing needs much more kick (reticule kicks up or left-right). Sure its a heavy weapon but if you just spray around you should pay the price with accuracy. And with more kick i mean that the gun should behave like a AR when you reached the ned of your 60 round clip. In reality, the heavier the weapon the less barrel rise you get... CEO Whiskey squad leader, E9 , patiently waiting for Destiny and Planetside2, real games... Once Bitten Twice Shy....
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2036	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:04:00 - [14] - Quote Realism-based Arguments have no place in Game Balance. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3281	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:24:00 - [15] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Try running at full speed while firing. never seen some 1 in the game beeing capable to sprint and fire at the same time. I call devhax.
Pvt Numnutz Watchdoge Explosives 1513	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:36:00 - [16] - Quote Personally I think all weapons should have more kick as they are suppose to be extremely powerful weapons. So powerful that if we weren't wearing our suits we would combust or explode in horrible ways. More kick makes the weapons feel more powerful. Just my opinion.
Seymour KrelbornX Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:43:00 - [17] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Personally I think all weapons should have more kick as they are suppose to be extremely powerful weapons. So powerful that if we weren't wearing our suits we would combust or explode in horrible ways. More kick makes the weapons feel more powerful. Just my opinion. but to follow that logic wouldn't the suit (being so powerful) also absorb most of the kick? and the main reason as far as I'm aware that our weapons would kill us has more to do with the heat and chemicals/radiation from the weapons... not so much their kick.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 32	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:47:00 - [18] - Quote http://youtu.be/aZMgo9Vma1I ^this "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
XxWarlordxX97 BurgezzE.T.F 4328	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:56:00 - [19] - Quote HMG is just fine I'm a Elite heavy "I don't rage.I get even" Please donate isk if you want me to pub stomp you
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 698	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:20:00 - [20] - Quote Seymour KrelbornX wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Personally I think all weapons should have more kick as they are suppose to be extremely powerful weapons. So powerful that if we weren't wearing our suits we would combust or explode in horrible ways. More kick makes the weapons feel more powerful. Just my opinion. but to follow that logic wouldn't the suit (being so powerful) also absorb most of the kick? and the main reason as far as I'm aware that our weapons would kill us has more to do with the heat and chemicals/radiation from the weapons... not so much their kick. just as drop uplink use limits clone life.
SHOOOOTER Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 216	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:22:00 - [21] - Quote Yes we should nerf tanks and scout suits. Great idea!
Michael Arck 4742	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:08:00 - [22] - Quote Thanks to the Sentinel suit, the kick is reduced. This is indeed part of the lore. The Sentinel dropsuit is designed to take on such conditions. Look at the Forge Gun. That thing gets so hot that it would melt an ordinary medium suit. The Sentinel suit is built to withstand tougher conditions, such as the HMG. When have you every played a game where a heavy character controlling a 50 cal, has to worry about kick? LOL @ trying to find some way to nerf the heavy or the HMG. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3138	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:17:00 - [23] - Quote Jake Diesel wrote: KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Well that's the point about the "Gatling" system, an Anti-recoil weapon, further more Heavy suits with Heavy weapons are designed to this. Have never seen any logic behind this explanation v0v The heavy dropsuit is not just another suit with more armor. How do you think these clones can drop from extremely high places without completely dying upon landing? Each suit is designed differently and to serve a purpose. For the heavy dropsuit, it's mechanisms are designed to allow the user to be able to carry larger heavier weapons and fire them with minimum effort. If you were to strip away all the armor off a heavy dropsuit and a scout dropsuit, you'd clearly see that they are both significantly different. A scout dropsuit as well as the standard medium frame dropsuit do not have the mechanical capabilities to wield such heavy weapons. But at the same time, this is why heavies are significantly slower than the rest. Even pistols have more kick than the HMG. OP is right.....HMGs should have some kick to it. And the DPS should be nerfed like every other weapon. I remember people QQing that the ARs should have more kick and utilize skill to use. While now, the HMG allows you to spray and pray with the most hp plus a scrub repping them and keeping their hp up. Removed all hope with this post
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3138	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:19:00 - [24] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Thanks to the Sentinel suit, the kick is reduced. This is indeed part of the lore. The Sentinel dropsuit is designed to take on such conditions. Look at the Forge Gun. That thing gets so hot that it would melt an ordinary medium suit. The Sentinel suit is built to withstand tougher conditions, such as the HMG. When have you every played a game where a heavy character controlling a 50 cal, has to worry about kick? LOL @ trying to find some way to nerf the heavy or the HMG. The heavy suit is designed so that you can use those weapons and not fall back on your ass everytime you shoot it. Doesn't mean there isn't supposed to be recoil. Removed all hope with this post
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:39:00 - [25] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Realism-based Arguments have no place in Game Balance. Yeah, agreed. That being said, it seems like the HMG had a lot more kick than it now does -- though honestly, it's hard for me to tell if the kick was lessened, or if I just got better at compensating for it. After playing a lot of heavy last night, I prefer Rattati's idea that if anything needs to happen to the HMG, a faster overheat mechanic would be best. I was able to mow down mercs last night in the Research Facility map (29-3) without overheating once, just laying on the trigger for long periods. An quicker overheat penalty would reward skill and reduce spray & pray -- although anybody that has played heavy understands that 'spray & pray' is a mischaracterization of how the HMG works, but hopefully it would stem the tide of tears around here about it. Dust 514... another leaf on the wind. PSN ID: B16D4mnHer0
NIETZCHES OVERMAN Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:44:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Try running at full speed while firing. How the hell can you run and fire?
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3284	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:46:00 - [27] - Quote Other games aswell add lots of kick to LMG's. You shouldnt be capable to spray the whole clip without any problem whatsoever. You can keep the damage and rate of fire but at least let it kick like a horse.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1464	Posted - 2014.06.20 00:49:00 - [28] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Realism-based Arguments have no place in Game Balance. Yeah, agreed. That being said, it seems like the HMG had a lot more kick than it now does -- though honestly, it's hard for me to tell if the kick was lessened, or if I just got better at compensating for it. After playing a lot of heavy last night, I prefer Rattati's idea that if anything needs to happen to the HMG, a faster overheat mechanic would be best. I was able to mow down mercs last night in the Research Facility map (29-3) without overheating once, just laying on the trigger for long periods. An quicker overheat penalty would reward skill and reduce spray & pray -- although anybody that has played heavy understands that 'spray & pray' is a mischaracterization of how the HMG works, but hopefully it would stem the tide of tears around here about it. Overheat wont stop the tears it wouldnt do anything for the scouts (yeah you're the ones b*tching the loudest even though you have wall hacks and invisibility) who want to run at a HMG head on and live Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3139	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:03:00 - [29] - Quote NIETZCHES OVERMAN wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Try running at full speed while firing. How the hell can you run and fire? He doesn't play the game much Removed all hope with this post
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 382	Posted - 2014.06.20 01:05:00 - [30] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: J4yne C0bb wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Realism-based Arguments have no place in Game Balance. Yeah, agreed. That being said, it seems like the HMG had a lot more kick than it now does -- though honestly, it's hard for me to tell if the kick was lessened, or if I just got better at compensating for it. After playing a lot of heavy last night, I prefer Rattati's idea that if anything needs to happen to the HMG, a faster overheat mechanic would be best. I was able to mow down mercs last night in the Research Facility map (29-3) without overheating once, just laying on the trigger for long periods. An quicker overheat penalty would reward skill and reduce spray & pray -- although anybody that has played heavy understands that 'spray & pray' is a mischaracterization of how the HMG works, but hopefully it would stem the tide of tears around here about it. Overheat wont stop the tears it wouldnt do anything for the scouts (yeah you're the ones btching the loudest even though you have wall hacks and invisibility) who want to run at a HMG head on and live True enough, it won't. I mean, overheat won't affect me, because I don't do it as a general rule, and I played through the builds when it was higher, but it would make the weapon more skill based, which I think is good. But sorta-off topic -- you ain't lying about scouts. There are a lot of new ones that have absolutely no concept on how to engage a heavy, and these are the same new guys asking for nerfs on the forums. Two nights ago I watched a heavy on the opposite team (same research 'meat-grind' map) who went 68-5, and most of his kills were due to dumb scouts and mil assaults going head to head with the guy. I watched smurf after smurf get mowed down cause nobody had the imagination to try anything different. I went 16-8 that match, and lost quite a few 1 vs 1 against the guy that I probably should have won because he had 2 logis with him. If only 2 of those crappy scouts on my side had switched to a mil logi fit and decided to rep me instead, not saying we would have won, but we sure would have performed a hell of a lot better. New mercs need to learn roles outside their own, especially scouts these days, and stop asking for nerfs all the damn time. Get off my space lawn! Dust 514... another leaf on the wind.* PSN ID: B16D4mnHer0

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