DUST Search - LOL SCOUTS

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

Tch Tch wrote:

Buwaro Draemon wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

So you're saying that Scouts are OP because you can slaughter them easily, and they only win when they use coordinated teamwork, because you're a lone wolf in a Heavy suit?

Teamwork is OP, not Scouts.

You should know this by now.

No. Stop sugar coating the "I win fit" of the month. It is incredibly OP. And I say this as I have seen scouts with 600+ armor moving with no speed penalty and simply owning my squad and the rest of my team.

Why? Because they have EHP that of a heavy, while till maintaining mobility, with 2 equipment slots and high reps.

Scouts needs a nerf. it's either
PG?CPU nerf
Remove one equipment slot alongside some PG/CPU
Scouts can only use side arms.

You choose Blink

Really the eHP of a heavy? Is that before or after a flux grenade on the heavy? Or about the second of three shotgun blasts to the fatties butt?

Last I looked my eHP is less then my nanohives. I'd love to see the fit that is 600 eHP, no speed penalties and can function as a scout.

I was in this match yesterday. I was going up against this Gallente Proto Scout (I thought he was Standard because my tacnet always say that all scouts are STD). He had 600+ Armor HP and had some pretty high shields for a gallente (Like 130 or something) so he had overall 700 something EHP while still moving and strafing as fast.

He didn't really annoyed me as much though since he was engaging everyone from afar with his CR rather than just zooming through everyone with a shotty or ACR but still. Scouts are OP as hell. Being able to tank that much EHP whil mainting such speed.

Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.

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iTbagyou Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 273	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:06:00 - [31] - Quote If it kills you, it must be OP. Official spokesman of Lipton Tea.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 186	Posted - 2014.06.19 22:54:00 - [32] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: So you're saying that Scouts are OP because you can slaughter them easily, and they only win when they use coordinated teamwork, because you're a lone wolf in a Heavy suit? Teamwork is OP, not Scouts. You should know this by now. No. Stop sugar coating the "I win fit" of the month. It is incredibly OP. And I say this as I have seen scouts with 600+ armor moving with no speed penalty and simply owning my squad and the rest of my team. Why? Because they have EHP that of a heavy, while till maintaining mobility, with 2 equipment slots and high reps. Scouts needs a nerf. it's either PG?CPU nerf Remove one equipment slot alongside some PG/CPU Scouts can only use side arms. You choose Really the eHP of a heavy? Is that before or after a flux grenade on the heavy? Or about the second of three shotgun blasts to the fatties butt? Last I looked my eHP is less then my nanohives. I'd love to see the fit that is 600 eHP, no speed penalties and can function as a scout. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
David Mustane Commando Perkone Caldari State 16	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:14:00 - [33] - Quote Scouts should not have have the slots they do. As a light suit you shouldn't be able to absorb a single bullet. I say 1 high slot, 1 low slot and 1 equipment, at basic and advance levels. At proto 2h-1l-2e. I'm sick of scouts to the point that I refuse to have in my squad and will try to show the enemy the scout localation.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 187	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:21:00 - [34] - Quote David Mustane wrote: Scouts should not have have the slots they do. As a light suit you shouldn't be able to absorb a single bullet. I say 1 high slot, 1 low slot and 1 equipment, at basic and advance levels. At proto 2h-1l-2e. I'm sick of scouts to the point that I refuse to have in my squad and will try to show the enemy the scout localation. Why? My default scout is an uplink dropper with compact nanohive to self support or backup assaults or lone wolf heavies. I flank and go behind enemy lines and find the enemy uplinks and take them out quickly and if snipers are around I have a speed/RE outfit to drop behind them and leave a care package. I'm most deadly using electronics (damps, range extenders) and biotics not by plating up. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2354	Posted - 2014.06.19 23:55:00 - [35] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: So you're saying that Scouts are OP because you can slaughter them easily, and they only win when they use coordinated teamwork, because you're a lone wolf in a Heavy suit? Teamwork is OP, not Scouts. You should know this by now. Spam =/= Teamwork Tanker/Logi
SoCal Ninja Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 141	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:25:00 - [36] - Quote Wait what? lol I check the forums for the first time since chromosome build and Scouts are OP? Of course this happens when I'm not playing the game anymore. Oh man, what happened to Logis?
Yeeeuuuupppp 353	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:05:00 - [37] - Quote I refuse to use my scout because it's too easy. They took arguably the most difficult role to master, over buffed it because people were having hard times with it because they lacked the use of good tactics and stealth and made it easier than blaster tankers were when 1.7 dropped. But I suppose, it's okay because "They have evened the playing field for scouts" even though scouts were always one step ahead. There should be a way where you could go back to before they buffed scouts. But it's ask balanced right? The gal scout nerf and plate changes did nothing besides full up the remaining pg and cpu left after the 4 complex plates, proto weapon and proto side arm and complex shield extenders were added... once again, GG CCP and your false sense of balance. /rant over Rage Proficiency V Mic status: Muted Storage Wars Champion.
Pvt Numnutz Watchdoge Explosives 1514	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:56:00 - [38] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: An army of scouts is what it takes to beat me in Skirmish, shotgun or not it's pretty ******* stupid when most matches are decided by who spams the most scouts. [...] Because of this preposterous crutch I'm forced to play with either a heavy or another scout to have any impact on tough matches. Teamwork, teamwork is op. So you want "tough" matches to not require teamwork? You want to Nerf teamwork to be Rambo? You want the one suit to rule them all? Tuff t-ítties
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Final Resolution. 206	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:23:00 - [39] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: So you're saying that Scouts are OP because you can slaughter them easily, and they only win when they use coordinated teamwork, because you're a lone wolf in a Heavy suit? Teamwork is OP, not Scouts. You should know this by now. No. Stop sugar coating the "I win fit" of the month. It is incredibly OP. And I say this as I have seen scouts with 600+ armor moving with no speed penalty and simply owning my squad and the rest of my team. Why? Because they have EHP that of a heavy, while till maintaining mobility, with 2 equipment slots and high reps. Scouts needs a nerf. it's either PG?CPU nerf Remove one equipment slot alongside some PG/CPU Scouts can only use side arms. You choose Really the eHP of a heavy? Is that before or after a flux grenade on the heavy? Or about the second of three shotgun blasts to the fatties butt? Last I looked my eHP is less then my nanohives. I'd love to see the fit that is 600 eHP, no speed penalties and can function as a scout. I was in this match yesterday. I was going up against this Gallente Proto Scout (I thought he was Standard because my tacnet always say that all scouts are STD). He had 600+ Armor HP and had some pretty high shields for a gallente (Like 130 or something) so he had overall 700 something EHP while still moving and strafing as fast. He didn't really annoyed me as much though since he was engaging everyone from afar with his CR rather than just zooming through everyone with a shotty or ACR but still. Scouts are OP as hell. Being able to tank that much EHP whil mainting such speed. "tries to flank" "cloaked scout surprise rapes me" K DEN
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3076	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:44:00 - [40] - Quote Wow so many bad posts... The scout is a crutch suit, and the shotgun is a crutch for scouts. The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete

Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 191	Posted - 2014.06.20 05:05:00 - [41] - Quote Buwaro Draemon wrote: Tch Tch wrote: Buwaro Draemon wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: So you're saying that Scouts are OP because you can slaughter them easily, and they only win when they use coordinated teamwork, because you're a lone wolf in a Heavy suit? Teamwork is OP, not Scouts. You should know this by now. No. Stop sugar coating the "I win fit" of the month. It is incredibly OP. And I say this as I have seen scouts with 600+ armor moving with no speed penalty and simply owning my squad and the rest of my team. Why? Because they have EHP that of a heavy, while till maintaining mobility, with 2 equipment slots and high reps. Scouts needs a nerf. it's either PG?CPU nerf Remove one equipment slot alongside some PG/CPU Scouts can only use side arms. You choose Really the eHP of a heavy? Is that before or after a flux grenade on the heavy? Or about the second of three shotgun blasts to the fatties butt? Last I looked my eHP is less then my nanohives. I'd love to see the fit that is 600 eHP, no speed penalties and can function as a scout. I was in this match yesterday. I was going up against this Gallente Proto Scout (I thought he was Standard because my tacnet always say that all scouts are STD). He had 600+ Armor HP and had some pretty high shields for a gallente (Like 130 or something) so he had overall 700 something EHP while still moving and strafing as fast. He didn't really annoyed me as much though since he was engaging everyone from afar with his CR rather than just zooming through everyone with a shotty or ACR but still. Scouts are OP as hell. Being able to tank that much EHP whil mainting such speed. Fine print. EHP 600+ and no speed penalties. That much armour is probably more then 10% speed penalty. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Smoky The Bear THE SMOKIN GUNZ Dark Taboo 139	Posted - 2014.06.20 06:43:00 - [42] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: An army of scouts is what it takes to beat me in Skirmish, shotgun or not it's pretty ***** stupid when most matches are decided by who spams the most scouts. I faced Chatelain, NoGameNoLife, RON1N, and others in one match but then died several times because it's so easy for a scout to be everywhere and annoy me every time another scout buddy shows up. Chromosome with all its bugs was still far more enjoyable with the suits being balanced overall, scouts receiving several buffs after some updates (especially the ridiculous fitting freedom) was unnecessary if you were to simply get good. Because of this preposterous crutch I'm forced to play with either a heavy or another scout to have any impact on tough matches. WHEN THE ARE SCOUTS GETTING A PROPER NERF? WHEN THE ** WILL SHOTGUNS STOP BEING A CRUTCH FOR SCOUTS? go back to call of booty ..
Yokal Bob NoGameNoLife 483	Posted - 2014.06.20 11:25:00 - [43] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: An army of scouts is what it takes to beat me in Skirmish, shotgun or not it's pretty ***** stupid when most matches are decided by who spams the most scouts. I faced Chatelain, NoGameNoLife, RON1N, and others in one match but then died several times because it's so easy for a scout to be everywhere and annoy me every time another scout buddy shows up. Chromosome with all its bugs was still far more enjoyable with the suits being balanced overall, scouts receiving several buffs after some updates (especially the ridiculous fitting freedom) was unnecessary if you were to simply get good. Because of this preposterous crutch I'm forced to play with either a heavy or another scout to have any impact on tough matches. WHEN THE ARE SCOUTS GETTING A PROPER NERF? WHEN THE ** WILL SHOTGUNS STOP BEING A CRUTCH FOR SCOUTS? Personally i feel the shotgun is the perfect weapon for a scout, its meant to get behind enemy lines and cause mayhem. Its short range and need for accuracy means that the weapon has to deal a good amount of damage. Yes I use a scout, as I use a variety of suits. I don't like the cloak as I prefer the old fashioned way of getting behind the enemy. Not sure why you need to change into a heavy or scout to have an impact though, Cal assaults are still viable and the world needs more logistics, the game isn't kill kill kill, it's teamwork. I will however, agree with you in that I think a scout should not be able to perform the amount of roles it currently can on the battlefield. Sort out Dust before Legion or that will be a mess too
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3523	Posted - 2014.06.20 11:47:00 - [44] - Quote iTbagyou wrote: If it kills you, it must be OP. Lol. If it kills Alldin thats pretty good evidence it is. And yeah, scouts have way too much fitting power. It's crazy what I can put on just my scout g/1 compared even to my Amarr logi. I have to make virtually no sacrifices. (The godfather of tactical logistics) Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit
Alldin Kan Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1113	Posted - 2014.06.20 15:24:00 - [45] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: Fine print. EHP 600+ and no speed penalties. That much armour is probably more then 10% speed penalty. On gallente, try 4 complex ferroscale with 2 complex shield extenders and triage nanohives. Alldin Kan has joined the battle!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6113	Posted - 2014.06.20 15:31:00 - [46] - Quote Yokal Bob wrote: snip Have you ever played in a competitive planetary conquest? This Federation is now at war. We have no time for dissenters
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9656	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:08:00 - [47] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Yokal Bob wrote: snip Have you ever played in a competitive planetary conquest? Yes. -Insert Clever Statement Here- "The Snack That Smiles Back; Amarr Suits" -HAND
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5613	Posted - 2014.06.24 07:51:00 - [48] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: So you're saying that Scouts are OP because you can slaughter them easily, and they only win when they use coordinated teamwork, because you're a lone wolf in a Heavy suit? Teamwork is OP, not Scouts. You should know this by now. Spam =/= Teamwork This is what happens when light is spammed inefficiently: http://www.carymart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Stadium-Lights.jpg This is what happens when it's all focused together in a coordinated manner: http://labcowelding.com/uploads/files/laser-cutter-cutting-metal.jpeg A dozen Scouts that don't work together aren't much of a threat. It's when one of them (or even someone who ISN'T a Scout) draws your fire, then a Scout comes up behind you, using teamwork, that it becomes a problem. And in that situation, cloak or not, eHP lead or not, they got the drop on you, and they have help from their decoy, so they deserve to beat a player who's out on their own unless that lone wolf is a legitimately better player. And if you're that good, then you can beat it, so it's not OP.
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 241	Posted - 2014.06.24 08:06:00 - [49] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Cogadh Draco wrote: True Adamance wrote: And as quick as you shed those tear the scouts had already harvested them to feed the Uber Scout...... And when the Uber scout awakens his shotguns shall sunder the worlds of men! Just nerf the rate at which a round is chambered into the shotgun to reduce it's fire rate lol. You cannot nerf the Uber Scout. He stands 100 feet tall and the sound of his silent approach shatteres the atmosphere of planets. His glowing optical interfaces are said to drive men mad, and his shot gun cycles 200 gigatonne Atomic Warhead Scattershot. None may defy him! Except the Amarr. He protects the Amarr! You mean? http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/4/9/5/265495_v1.jpg THIS IS THE VOICE OF RÁN
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 126	Posted - 2014.06.24 08:27:00 - [50] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: Tch Tch wrote: Fine print. EHP 600+ and no speed penalties. That much armour is probably more then 10% speed penalty. On gallente, try 4 complex ferroscale with 2 complex shield extenders and triage nanohives. So a proto scout fitted out with proto modules. And still a third the ehp of a proto Sentinal. Good plan to use outliers as your case. Logic for the win.

Text Grant Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 383	Posted - 2014.06.24 14:35:00 - [51] - Quote What do you think of medium weapons? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=166283&find=unread
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3548	Posted - 2014.06.24 16:42:00 - [52] - Quote Went up against a squad of all GK0s (scouts and sentinels) recently. Admittedly it was 0.H and I.H, but, while the sentinels I get, a scout just should never be able to tank my LR Amarr assault. Just sayin. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Kurai-Ronin Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.06.24 17:26:00 - [53] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: An army of scouts is what it takes to beat me in Skirmish, shotgun or not it's pretty ***** stupid when most matches are decided by who spams the most scouts. I faced Chatelain, NoGameNoLife, RON1N, and others in one match but then died several times because it's so easy for a scout to be everywhere and annoy me every time another scout buddy shows up. Chromosome with all its bugs was still far more enjoyable with the suits being balanced overall, scouts receiving several buffs after some updates (especially the ridiculous fitting freedom) was unnecessary if you were to simply get good. Because of this preposterous crutch I'm forced to play with either a heavy or another scout to have any impact on tough matches. WHEN THE ARE SCOUTS GETTING A PROPER NERF? WHEN THE ** WILL SHOTGUNS STOP BEING A CRUTCH FOR SCOUTS? Thx for making me motivated cuz I was getting bored cuz plp are getting more mature :( no hate comments
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 1175	Posted - 2014.06.24 18:59:00 - [54] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: An army of scouts is what it takes to beat me in Skirmish, shotgun or not it's pretty ***** stupid when most matches are decided by who spams the most scouts. I faced Chatelain, NoGameNoLife, RON1N, and others in one match but then died several times because it's so easy for a scout to be everywhere and annoy me every time another scout buddy shows up. Chromosome with all its bugs was still far more enjoyable with the suits being balanced overall, scouts receiving several buffs after some updates (especially the ridiculous fitting freedom) was unnecessary if you were to simply get good. Because of this preposterous crutch I'm forced to play with either a heavy or another scout to have any impact on tough matches. WHEN THE ARE SCOUTS GETTING A PROPER NERF? WHEN THE ** WILL SHOTGUNS STOP BEING A CRUTCH FOR SCOUTS? +1 because I do agree, I did love the Chromosome build. It just felt so different and fresh. Its like they changed it to Uprising 1.0 and over time just tried to adjust that back to what Chromosome used to already be! However I do not agree that the shotgun is OP. You rarely see that weapon NOT on a scout suit. That tells me that it is the class that makes that weapon viable. Investigate 9/11


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