DUST Search - Assault Dropships

Pvt Numnutz wrote:

Taurion Bruni wrote:

So now that the two of you completely derailed a constructive conversation, lets get back on target here

one side thinks that ramming is a bs "no skill tactic" and should be fixed
They also believe that because the ADS is a better ship overall, it should tank more than the standard variants

The other side however believes that suicide ramming is inconsistent
Mlt and standard dropships are too slow to keep up with the ADS
Believe that the ADS does not need more EHP, as it is meant for high DPS, not as a tanking vehicle

It seems that we need to make a compromise that satisfies both parties equally. I think we need to add consistency to the tactic, like needing to hit the vehicle in the critical point (engines) or the nose to effectively ram the ship. This makes it so that there is a mechanic to back it up, and a skilled pilot can maneuver easily to avoid the hit.

Keep in mind this is my opinion and i'm willing to listen to your side of the debate.

A mechanic like that could be interesting, personally I think ramming should do damage, just not catastrophic damage on slight rams and small taps.
I think the reason most ads pilots feel that its a cheap tactic is because its like playing bumper cars, but the car is filled with touch sensitive c4. A slight tap can be fatal, even on a non essential part of the dropship. I have almost dodged a few rammers at the last second, but didn't because the tip of my engine guard fins clipped his engine, resulting in my python exploding.
Consistency would also help, right now I have to assume that if he touches my ship I'll die, being able to know that he will have to come at my engines or that my front (strong point) could deflect an attempted ram would really legitamize it as a tactic rather than, iiiiiiiiii'm gonna touch ya! As right now the tactic starts and stops there.

I'm in NYC currently otherwise I'd link a one of sir snugglz videos where he does a very good maneuver tapping the top aft section of a std dropship causing it to crash, that takes skill and I think if ramming was more about forcing a dropship into the ground it would be more legit.

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Beld Errmon 1680	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:44:00 - [31] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: If you practice and become good at shooting down other dropships, you will learn to love having rammers come after you, I like to send them mail after they've failed and died to my incubus, making them rage for being cheap failures makes up for all the times they didn't fail and made you rage :) wow, an actual non dickhead post. Shouldn't you counting your pills for the week? seriously you're a ** ant if you didn't post stupid ** on the forum constantly no one would ever notice you, you should put your email in the signature again, i enjoy signing you up for every newsletter on the internet. LOL!!!!! You're like one of those tin monkeys. Wind you up and watch you go! I don't give a damn if people notice me or not, that's for primadonnas like you. LOL so you really think I would put my personal use email on the internet? Dumb ass, I got several emails. Trust me, I'm alot smarter and stronger than you Beld... awww no stronger than me? yeah internet tough guy, the mark of someone that's smart. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 825	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:53:00 - [32] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: And I am skilled I use a python Yea, a...PYTHON. Sorry, access to gear does not equate to being good at using said gear. duster 35000 wrote: Im sorry if they came out behind Im sorry if I don't like running for 39 minutes. I can't have eyes everywhere 24/7 I should not be forced to recall, I should not be forced to run the entire match because some no skill scrub uses a no skill tactic. ^ This doesn't support your claim at being skilled either as it indicates a complete inability to deal with a particular threat. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Michael Arck 4702	Posted - 2014.06.18 00:56:00 - [33] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: If you practice and become good at shooting down other dropships, you will learn to love having rammers come after you, I like to send them mail after they've failed and died to my incubus, making them rage for being cheap failures makes up for all the times they didn't fail and made you rage :) wow, an actual non dickhead post. Shouldn't you counting your pills for the week? seriously you're a ** ant if you didn't post stupid on the forum constantly no one would ever notice you, you should put your email in the signature again, i enjoy signing you up for every newsletter on the internet. LOL!!!!! You're like one of those tin monkeys. Wind you up and watch you go! I don't give a damn if people notice me or not, that's for primadonnas like you. LOL so you really think I would put my personal use email on the internet? Dumb ass, I got several emails. Trust me, I'm alot smarter and stronger than you Beld... awww no stronger than me? yeah internet tough guy, the mark of someone that's smart. Do you not remember that the whole basis of this rivalry started because you didn't like what I posted on the forums, so when we finally meet in game, you pay your squadmates millions to make sure I have a terrible match? Do you not remember sending hate mail talking ? Do you not remember me trying to smooth it out with you, ya know, just to be cool and understand we have a difference of opinion? That it wasn't that serious? Yet, you kept on. Ranting and spewing your bile hatred like I just ** your mother and shot your dad. Yea, that's weak to me. I have no respect for you. Nor will I ever. You're a punk Archistrategos Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain**
Beld Errmon 1680	Posted - 2014.06.18 01:00:00 - [34] - Quote You have a failing memory, and a completely self serving one. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10732	Posted - 2014.06.18 01:08:00 - [35] - Quote Literallyanyonecouldhave wrote: You're a punk SHOTS FIRED AERO! DON'T BE A PUNK! "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Taurion Bruni D3ATH CARD 227	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:39:00 - [36] - Quote So now that the two of you completely derailed a constructive conversation, lets get back on target here one side thinks that ramming is a bs "no skill tactic" and should be fixed They also believe that because the ADS is a better ship overall, it should tank more than the standard variants The other side however believes that suicide ramming is inconsistent Mlt and standard dropships are too slow to keep up with the ADS Believe that the ADS does not need more EHP, as it is meant for high DPS, not as a tanking vehicle It seems that we need to make a compromise that satisfies both parties equally. I think we need to add consistency to the tactic, like needing to hit the vehicle in the critical point (engines) or the nose to effectively ram the ship. This makes it so that there is a mechanic to back it up, and a skilled pilot can maneuver easily to avoid the hit. Keep in mind this is my opinion and i'm willing to listen to your side of the debate. Python Pilot // Minmatar Assault
Ulan Baator Blauhelme Die Fremdenlegion 6	Posted - 2014.06.19 07:42:00 - [37] - Quote Thanks for your answers^^ So i use the Phyton, cause i had Caldari ADS ( Assault Drop Ship???) skilled to 5 so 50% more fire rate with the XT 1^^ Even my Incubus was rammed by a MLT DS and instant death -.- Bloom on the Battlefield
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3628	Posted - 2014.06.19 08:13:00 - [38] - Quote medomai grey wrote: duster 35000 wrote: And I am skilled I use a python Yea, a...PYTHON. Sorry, access to gear does not equate to being good at using said gear. duster 35000 wrote: Im sorry if they came out behind Im sorry if I don't like running for 39 minutes. I can't have eyes everywhere 24/7 I should not be forced to recall, I should not be forced to run the entire match because some no skill scrub uses a no skill tactic. ^ This doesn't support your claim at being skilled either as it indicates a complete inability to deal with a particular threat. In other words, part of the skill of ramming DSes is finding a careless and/or stupid (in this cas) pilot :P CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 829	Posted - 2014.06.19 08:54:00 - [39] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: In other words, part of the skill of ramming DSes is finding a careless and/or stupid (in this cas) pilot :P Alas, I too was rammed by suicide dropships. The shame. Medium frame EHP is not medium
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3073	Posted - 2014.06.19 10:06:00 - [40] - Quote Posting because Judge is crying.... Again The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete

FroO Bg SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 36	Posted - 2014.06.19 11:59:00 - [41] - Quote duster 35000 wrote: medomai grey wrote: duster 35000 wrote: medomai grey wrote: duster 35000 wrote: Stopped reading after ramming takes skill. ^ Butt hurt that he couldn't evade slower mlt dropships. Im sorry if they came out behind Im sorry if I don't like running for 39 minutes. I can't have eyes everywhere 24/7 I should not be forced to recall, I should not be forced to run the entire match because some no skill scrub uses a no skill tactic. Why are you calling the players who successfully counter you scrubs? Aren't you the scrub for not being able to deal with them? As I said earlier in this thread, it takes skill to be a successful ADS pilot. And I am skilled I use a python Yea, a...PYTHON. It's stupid how a guy tries to ram me 5 times in a single match. I kill him 4 times, then I turn around to kill another dropship and he just comes out of nowhere and kills me. It's also stupid how I0m close to killing them and they just go and hide in the redline with some other dude with a MIL Railgun Tank covering for him. Also, CCP should drecrease the size of a dropship or at least make it that it doesnt look like a damn brick, because that would help pilots to be aware of their surroundings instead of having a brick that covers most of the screen. In addition I think they should develop the UI in ADSs. I have tootsie-rolls and pie, want some?
Pvt Numnutz Watchdoge Explosives 1508	Posted - 2014.06.19 12:03:00 - [42] - Quote Taurion Bruni wrote: So now that the two of you completely derailed a constructive conversation, lets get back on target here one side thinks that ramming is a bs "no skill tactic" and should be fixed They also believe that because the ADS is a better ship overall, it should tank more than the standard variants The other side however believes that suicide ramming is inconsistent Mlt and standard dropships are too slow to keep up with the ADS Believe that the ADS does not need more EHP, as it is meant for high DPS, not as a tanking vehicle It seems that we need to make a compromise that satisfies both parties equally. I think we need to add consistency to the tactic, like needing to hit the vehicle in the critical point (engines) or the nose to effectively ram the ship. This makes it so that there is a mechanic to back it up, and a skilled pilot can maneuver easily to avoid the hit. Keep in mind this is my opinion and i'm willing to listen to your side of the debate. A mechanic like that could be interesting, personally I think ramming should do damage, just not catastrophic damage on slight rams and small taps. I think the reason most ads pilots feel that its a cheap tactic is because its like playing bumper cars, but the car is filled with touch sensitive c4. A slight tap can be fatal, even on a non essential part of the dropship. I have almost dodged a few rammers at the last second, but didn't because the tip of my engine guard fins clipped his engine, resulting in my python exploding. Consistency would also help, right now I have to assume that if he touches my ship I'll die, being able to know that he will have to come at my engines or that my front (strong point) could deflect an attempted ram would really legitamize it as a tactic rather than, iiiiiiiiii'm gonna touch ya! As right now the tactic starts and stops there. I'm in NYC currently otherwise I'd link a one of sir snugglz videos where he does a very good maneuver tapping the top aft section of a std dropship causing it to crash, that takes skill and I think if ramming was more about forcing a dropship into the ground it would be more legit.
Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 847	Posted - 2014.06.19 13:27:00 - [43] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Taurion Bruni wrote: So now that the two of you completely derailed a constructive conversation, lets get back on target here one side thinks that ramming is a bs "no skill tactic" and should be fixed They also believe that because the ADS is a better ship overall, it should tank more than the standard variants The other side however believes that suicide ramming is inconsistent Mlt and standard dropships are too slow to keep up with the ADS Believe that the ADS does not need more EHP, as it is meant for high DPS, not as a tanking vehicle It seems that we need to make a compromise that satisfies both parties equally. I think we need to add consistency to the tactic, like needing to hit the vehicle in the critical point (engines) or the nose to effectively ram the ship. This makes it so that there is a mechanic to back it up, and a skilled pilot can maneuver easily to avoid the hit. Keep in mind this is my opinion and i'm willing to listen to your side of the debate. A mechanic like that could be interesting, personally I think ramming should do damage, just not catastrophic damage on slight rams and small taps. I think the reason most ads pilots feel that its a cheap tactic is because its like playing bumper cars, but the car is filled with touch sensitive c4. A slight tap can be fatal, even on a non essential part of the dropship. I have almost dodged a few rammers at the last second, but didn't because the tip of my engine guard fins clipped his engine, resulting in my python exploding. Consistency would also help, right now I have to assume that if he touches my ship I'll die, being able to know that he will have to come at my engines or that my front (strong point) could deflect an attempted ram would really legitamize it as a tactic rather than, iiiiiiiiii'm gonna touch ya! As right now the tactic starts and stops there. I'm in NYC currently otherwise I'd link a one of sir snugglz videos where he does a very good maneuver tapping the top aft section of a std dropship causing it to crash, that takes skill and I think if ramming was more about forcing a dropship into the ground it would be more legit. i may be wrong but i always had this idea that ramming power was based on ehp because for some reason when i shot at a rammer and dropped their armor as they began ramming me, it did less damage to me and killed them. As soon as the derpship blows up it does no more damage even if its in front of your face. I'm a python pilot too and won against incubus rammers..... -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Grimmiers 595	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:44:00 - [44] - Quote About ramming I think I made a post about this before to make the implementation better than it is. The goal is it make it so ramming is only meant to destroy dropships with a small amount of hp left. Ramming should cause a trade in damage so that both dropships aren't destroyed, but low on health. The person ramming would need to stabalize and use his turrets to finish off the dropship. This is a game and realism and fun don't always work together. The same should be done with lavs and tanks along with improving their collision physics so they don't make a house of cards when they drive into each other. CCP should also fix the pilot exiting mechanic in a dropship to eject the player safely instead of literally throwing him under the bus. Just go for the obvious middle ground of causing smaller damage on collision and only destroying a ship with about 20% hp left.
Tectonic Fusion 1722	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:58:00 - [45] - Quote To all: Git gud and use a Tac AR.


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