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Vicious Minotaur wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

Vicious Minotaur wrote:

Scheneighnay McBob wrote:

Vicious Minotaur wrote:

I just had a match in my Caldari Sentinel w/ basic HMG. I was countered by shotgun scouts, cloaky scouts, and combat rifle scouts. It was miserable...

If I had been in an LAV, the enemy could have easily ruined my match with forguns, a tank; or any good AV, really. LAVs are wimpy.

If I can take down scouts with the SMG on my AV scout fit, you're terrible to not kill them with an HMG

Yes, because scouts stand still, don't sneak around, never use weapons that are shield- biased, and most assuredly lack brains.

You must only get to fight scrubs. Lucky you.

HMGs have extremely high RoF- even if they're moving, you're still going to kill them if you fire in their general direction.

As far as sneaking around, use common sense, scouts have to.

I go up against seasoned scouts. Veterans.

If I end up seeing them, they screwed up.
If I can turn around after they land a blow and kill them, they screwed up.
If I get the jump on them, they screwed up.
If they are engaging me with rail tech, they screwed up.
If they don't have an exit strategy when engaging me, they screwed up.

Good scouts seldom screw up. And who do I fight? Good scouts. You know, ones that:
Understand shields are weak vs. shotguns
Know how to flux
Know how to milk tacnet for all its worth
Know when to run away
Know when/if to engage a heavy
Know how to jump strafe; use movement to their advantage
Understands the concept of cover

I seldom end up in fair fight versus [good] scouts. If I did, they are doing something wrong.

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Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5310	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:23:00 - [1] - Quote Here, I would like to discuss existing ways to counter the in-game FOTMs. Currently, it's HMG sentinels. As they like to drive around in LAVs, I've found swarm launchers to be sufficient against them. However, this doesn't work well against the sentinels that go around on foot. I've seen Plasma Cannons be pretty successful at killing both forms of HMG sentinel, but I'm sure we all know how unreliable they are. Ideas? péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10685	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:24:00 - [2] - Quote Tanks.....Tanks.....and MOAR TANKS! "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5310	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:27:00 - [3] - Quote Currently, I'm thinking of modifying my swarm scout by replacing the cloak with some REs péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5310	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:28:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tanks.....Tanks.....and MOAR TANKS! Tanks stop being effective on maps with lots of buildings, which is most of them. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
medomai grey warravens Final Resolution. 817	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:28:00 - [5] - Quote Pretty sure FotM is cloaked scouts, tanks, and heavies. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Tectonic Fusion 1696	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:29:00 - [6] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Currently, I'm thinking of modifying my swarm scout by replacing the cloak with some REs Just plant 2 RE's on his LAV when he get's out after being cloaked.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10685	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:36:00 - [7] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tanks.....Tanks.....and MOAR TANKS! Tanks stop being effective on maps with lots of buildings, which is most of them. Tanks are never ineffective. If the Astra Militarum taught me anything it was that. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4448	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:38:00 - [8] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Here, I would like to discuss existing ways to counter the in-game FOTMs. Currently, it's HMG sentinels. As they like to drive around in LAVs, I've found swarm launchers to be sufficient against them. However, this doesn't work well against the sentinels that go around on foot. I've seen Plasma Cannons be pretty successful at killing both forms of HMG sentinel, but I'm sure we all know how unreliable they are. Ideas? Do not ever challenge them directly. You are not entitled to victory there with a lesser frame and you will certainly not find it. Follow that rule and they bleed the same as everyone else.
Assault Swarm Launcher Caldari State 156	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:40:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tanks.....Tanks.....and MOAR TANKS! Now if only I could counter that FoTM. "Chances are I'm going to kill you or replace you with something new..." -CCP Logibro
Long Evity 1620	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:42:00 - [10] - Quote Do people really take heavy suits to Ambush thinking FOTM? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.

Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5310	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:43:00 - [11] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Pretty sure FotM is cloaked scouts, tanks, and heavies. I haven't seen any unusual amounts of HAVs, and scouts are more rare and cloaking less. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10685	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:44:00 - [12] - Quote Assault Swarm Launcher wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tanks.....Tanks.....and MOAR TANKS! Now if only I could counter that FoTM. Have Faith...one day I sincerely hope you get a fair crack at the Adamance.....( that's the name of my tank not me referring to myself in the third person). "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5310	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:44:00 - [13] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Do people really take heavy suits to Ambush thinking FOTM? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha People play ambush? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 895	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:50:00 - [14] - Quote I just had a match in my Caldari Sentinel w/ basic HMG. I was countered by shotgun scouts, cloaky scouts, and combat rifle scouts. It was miserable... If I had been in an LAV, the enemy could have easily ruined my match with forguns, a tank; or any good AV, really. LAVs are wimpy. I am a minotaur.
Jotun Izalaru Goonfeet 133	Posted - 2014.06.16 22:50:00 - [15] - Quote Nova Knives, you cowards.
CRNWLLC Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 312	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:00:00 - [16] - Quote ScR + strafe + jump + ScR + strafe. (R1 + ->, ->, <-, <-, X + R1, ->)
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 567	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:05:00 - [17] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: ScR + strafe + jump + ScR + strafe. (R1 + ->, ->, <-, <-, X + R1, ->) I Approve I beat a cloaky shotgun scout doing this with my logi. 1st Grade Rhyming + Beats= Rap PS News R.A.W- Rich and Worthless
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5311	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:08:00 - [18] - Quote Jotun Izalaru wrote: Nova Knives, you cowards. Only work against dumbasses péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5311	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:10:00 - [19] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: I just had a match in my Caldari Sentinel w/ basic HMG. I was countered by shotgun scouts, cloaky scouts, and combat rifle scouts. It was miserable... If I had been in an LAV, the enemy could have easily ruined my match with forguns, a tank; or any good AV, really. LAVs are wimpy. If I can take down scouts with the SMG on my AV scout fit, you're terrible to not kill them with an HMG péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 489	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:26:00 - [20] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Do people really take heavy suits to Ambush thinking FOTM? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha yes. MLT heavy in ambush w/republic HMG > proto cloaked min shotgun scout (I have used shotgun scout since 1.3, don't tell me I'm doing it wrong) What all Minjas are thinking as they play... Yellow Heavy, Red Heavy...

Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 896	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:35:00 - [21] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I just had a match in my Caldari Sentinel w/ basic HMG. I was countered by shotgun scouts, cloaky scouts, and combat rifle scouts. It was miserable... If I had been in an LAV, the enemy could have easily ruined my match with forguns, a tank; or any good AV, really. LAVs are wimpy. If I can take down scouts with the SMG on my AV scout fit, you're terrible to not kill them with an HMG Yes, because scouts stand still, don't sneak around, never use weapons that are shield- biased, and most assuredly lack brains. You must only get to fight scrubs. Lucky you. I am a minotaur.
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5312	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:37:00 - [22] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I just had a match in my Caldari Sentinel w/ basic HMG. I was countered by shotgun scouts, cloaky scouts, and combat rifle scouts. It was miserable... If I had been in an LAV, the enemy could have easily ruined my match with forguns, a tank; or any good AV, really. LAVs are wimpy. If I can take down scouts with the SMG on my AV scout fit, you're terrible to not kill them with an HMG Yes, because scouts stand still, don't sneak around, never use weapons that are shield- biased, and most assuredly lack brains. You must only get to fight scrubs. Lucky you. HMGs have extremely high RoF- even if they're moving, you're still going to kill them if you fire in their general direction. As far as sneaking around, use common sense, scouts have to. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1418	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:40:00 - [23] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I just had a match in my Caldari Sentinel w/ basic HMG. I was countered by shotgun scouts, cloaky scouts, and combat rifle scouts. It was miserable... If I had been in an LAV, the enemy could have easily ruined my match with forguns, a tank; or any good AV, really. LAVs are wimpy. If I can take down scouts with the SMG on my AV scout fit, you're terrible to not kill them with an HMG Yes, because scouts stand still, don't sneak around, never use weapons that are shield- biased, and most assuredly lack brains. You must only get to fight scrubs. Lucky you. HMGs have extremely high RoF- even if they're moving, you're still going to kill them if you fire in their general direction. As far as sneaking around, use common sense, scouts have to. If scouts were using common sense this topic would not exist... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5312	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:46:00 - [24] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I just had a match in my Caldari Sentinel w/ basic HMG. I was countered by shotgun scouts, cloaky scouts, and combat rifle scouts. It was miserable... If I had been in an LAV, the enemy could have easily ruined my match with forguns, a tank; or any good AV, really. LAVs are wimpy. If I can take down scouts with the SMG on my AV scout fit, you're terrible to not kill them with an HMG Yes, because scouts stand still, don't sneak around, never use weapons that are shield- biased, and most assuredly lack brains. You must only get to fight scrubs. Lucky you. HMGs have extremely high RoF- even if they're moving, you're still going to kill them if you fire in their general direction. As far as sneaking around, use common sense, scouts have to. If scouts were using common sense this topic would not exist... It does, because no scout with common sense is going to jump into a pile of HMG heavies, or try attacking one in the open. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1418	Posted - 2014.06.16 23:52:00 - [25] - Quote I'm a heavy and I won't run into a GROUP of HMG heavies that's insane and asking to be butchered. Please tell me you don't want a scout to charge a group of HMG heavies and win PLEASE TELL ME YOU AREN'T THAT F*CKING BIASED Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 896	Posted - 2014.06.17 00:00:00 - [26] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I just had a match in my Caldari Sentinel w/ basic HMG. I was countered by shotgun scouts, cloaky scouts, and combat rifle scouts. It was miserable... If I had been in an LAV, the enemy could have easily ruined my match with forguns, a tank; or any good AV, really. LAVs are wimpy. If I can take down scouts with the SMG on my AV scout fit, you're terrible to not kill them with an HMG Yes, because scouts stand still, don't sneak around, never use weapons that are shield- biased, and most assuredly lack brains. You must only get to fight scrubs. Lucky you. HMGs have extremely high RoF- even if they're moving, you're still going to kill them if you fire in their general direction. As far as sneaking around, use common sense, scouts have to. I go up against seasoned scouts. Veterans. If I end up seeing them, they screwed up. If I can turn around after they land a blow and kill them, they screwed up. If I get the jump on them, they screwed up. If they are engaging me with rail tech, they screwed up. If they don't have an exit strategy when engaging me, they screwed up. Good scouts seldom screw up. And who do I fight? Good scouts. You know, ones that: Understand shields are weak vs. shotguns Know how to flux Know how to milk tacnet for all its worth Know when to run away Know when/if to engage a heavy Know how to jump strafe; use movement to their advantage Understands the concept of cover I seldom end up in fair fight versus [good] scouts. If I did, they are doing something wrong. I am a minotaur.
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5312	Posted - 2014.06.17 00:12:00 - [27] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: I'm a heavy and I won't run into a GROUP of HMG heavies that's insane and asking to be butchered. Please tell me you don't want a scout to charge a group of HMG heavies and win PLEASE TELL ME YOU AREN'T THAT F*CKING BIASED I'm saying that scouts aren't the counter we're looking for. As far as "running into a group of HMG heavies", I'm saying scouts would die before they could fire a shot. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 569	Posted - 2014.06.17 00:16:00 - [28] - Quote What about a group of Commandos? 1st Grade Rhyming + Beats= Rap PS News R.A.W- Rich and Worthless
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5312	Posted - 2014.06.17 00:18:00 - [29] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: I just had a match in my Caldari Sentinel w/ basic HMG. I was countered by shotgun scouts, cloaky scouts, and combat rifle scouts. It was miserable... If I had been in an LAV, the enemy could have easily ruined my match with forguns, a tank; or any good AV, really. LAVs are wimpy. If I can take down scouts with the SMG on my AV scout fit, you're terrible to not kill them with an HMG Yes, because scouts stand still, don't sneak around, never use weapons that are shield- biased, and most assuredly lack brains. You must only get to fight scrubs. Lucky you. HMGs have extremely high RoF- even if they're moving, you're still going to kill them if you fire in their general direction. As far as sneaking around, use common sense, scouts have to. I go up against seasoned scouts. Veterans. If I end up seeing them, they screwed up. If I can turn around after they land a blow and kill them, they screwed up. If I get the jump on them, they screwed up. If they are engaging me with rail tech, they screwed up. If they don't have an exit strategy when engaging me, they screwed up. Good scouts seldom screw up. And who do I fight? Good scouts. You know, ones that: Understand shields are weak vs. shotguns Know how to flux Know how to milk tacnet for all its worth Know when to run away Know when/if to engage a heavy Know how to jump strafe; use movement to their advantage Understands the concept of cover I seldom end up in fair fight versus [good] scouts. If I did, they are doing something wrong. I go up against the same scouts you do, dumbshit. If you end up seeing them, it's because luck wasn't on their side that time- there aren't that many places to hide and people can turn around at any moment. If you can turn around after they land a blow, it's because your retardly-high eHP trumps their weapon I've been scouting for nearly 2 years, and I can scout with the best of them. Scouts are by no means heavy hunters. They're dumbass hunters. If you get killed by scouts often, it's because you like trying to run solo into areas with lots of dark corners and ledges. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5312	Posted - 2014.06.17 00:19:00 - [30] - Quote Forever ETC wrote: What about a group of Commandos? A decent scout would probably be able to down 1 or 2 before dying, depending on what weapons they had. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè



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