Part of the problem is that the modules like codebreakers and kincats that a scout could fit that would not make them OP cost too much, while dampening is no longer as effective, and armor plates still offer the most benefit for the cost.

These things need fixed in some form or fashion.

I don't think the weapons themselves are a problem, except maybe lower tier shotguns cause too much damage, and the CR is a little OP yet, but a reduction in hip fire accuracy would be all that is needed on that.

Honestly where CCP screwed up with the weapons available to scouts was two fold. One they should only be able to carry one weapon system that is not based on equipment. Two they should be limited by PG and CPU in what they put into that one weapons slot. Then the rest of this takes care of itself.

What do I mean?

Let's say we keep all Scout suits exactly as they are now save only one change. We remove the sidearm slot. Now they can still fit both Light weapons (Assault Rifles, Sniper Rifles, Mass Drivers, Shotguns, even Plasma Cannons) or they can choose to fit a smaller Sidearm weapon (any Pistol, SMG, or Knife). So why would any Scout ever fit a pistol instead of a rifle? Well Sidearms should cost much less to fit in terms of PG and CPU. So if you want to fit that uber shotgun or sniper rifle or even plasma cannon on a Scout suit, you can, but it will cost you more PG and CPU and should gimp the rest of the suit for other purposes.

In other words, to do more damage, there needs to be a tradeoff!!! So the final result is that Scouts should not have the sidearm slot (they can and will fit sidearms in the light slot instead) and they should have a reduced amount of PG and CPU to match. Then the player that uses a Scout suit has to make a decision: more damage = less something else - less damage = more of something else.

This simple and easy fix to Scout suits would solve just about every single complaint I've heard about how Scouts are the new OP in this game.

Don't believe me? Just sit and think on it for a bit.

Hell test it out on the server by reducing the amount of PG and CPU you will use on your scout suits by 10-15% and don't put anything into the sidearm slot. Now go out and fight that way and see what happens.

This is the major reason Scouts are better than Assault at killing right now!

Part of the problem is that the modules like codebreakers and kincats that a scout could fit that would not make them OP cost too much, while dampening is no longer as effective, and armor plates still offer the most benefit for the cost.

These things need fixed in some form or fashion.

I don't think the weapons themselves are a problem, except maybe lower tier shotguns cause too much damage, and the CR is a little OP yet, but a reduction in hip fire accuracy would be all that is needed on that.

So you find my Nova Knife Flaylock combo to be OPGǪ mmkay

I'd say the best way to nerf scouts... is...

wait for it....

Making assault suits worth speccing into.

Didn't realize Scouts were still overperforming.
I'm seeing alot more Heavies than Scouts.

i play mini scout and whenever i see a tank i go hunting.

RE check
swarms check
AV grenenades check
burst scrambler pistol ....you know so i can defend myself.....check but you want it taken away because why?

nerf the PG? do you want me to run 2 PG mods in the lows instead of just the one? truthfully i run 1 PG module on about half of my suits because i do not have enough PG. some fits can't even fit a side arm and no i am not running mostly complex just a couple of complex items, some basic and advanced. also gun and cloak basic or advanced.

i played on my 6 mil SP assault alt today ( caldari (basic) assault and AR(basic)) i got a 20-1 10-16 14-5 17-4 and 5-4. which made me think hang on the assaults are not too bad if your aware of your surroundings and i wish my main had points into the AR which is pretty effective against the scout.

tbh i think the only thing the assaults need is a bit more regen ( armor or sheilds depending on race). as for scouts......not all scouts are made equal imo cal>gal>mini+amarr.

And I have a plasma cannon with RE and AV nades and cloak that I use for the same thing so what?

The point is that a scout shouldn't be more viable than an assault right now and your tank hunting example just proves it as you have TWO equipment slots and the Assault does NOT. So not only can you fit two guns like the Assault, you can also fit the RE's too. So combine that with high mobility and being able to fit a cloak with bonuses, and scout is way more viable than an assault. I'm not saying that assaults are unplayable, I still play mine too. I'm saying that scouts can do ALL the same stuff an Assault can, but better.

But this topic isn't about how many scouts are out there, but how to manage them so that they are not better than assault suits, which they are right now as they have two weapons, two equipment slots (one more than an assault), and are faster etc.

Scouts should have had 2 side arm slots. It would be nice to try it out but a lot of scouts would lose it if that happened.

In the event that would ever happen... I'd like it. I've been running my Nova Knives/Ion Pistol Combo a lot more recently (best way I've found to kill a Sentinel Ak.0 with a Thale hidden in the redline, the Ion Pistol is for... lols?). It would take some getting used to, but the good people would survive, the terrible would quit and go back to their pre-Scout roles, and the mediocre (such as myself) would continue to be mediocre.

I would make it so that you dont get these scouts that brick tank and slay. It would make it so a scout has to choose there fights and not have the ability to kill everything.

lol scouts before 1.8 were USELESS besides somy very skilled players such as lightning xvx , and what your suggesting is too nerf what almost everybody has skilled into can you imagine the backlash the community would give ccp especially after giving dropsuit command respec then nerfing what half of the playerbase chose to be.no just no the solution is some serious love to the assualt such as ehp increased ,extra equipment slot, and base cpu/pg increased and since assualt is meant to be frontline a increase in scan precision (that number percent too be determined haven't did the math yet)

Scouts should have had 2 side arm slots. It would be nice to try it out but a lot of scouts would lose it if that happened.

I'd say the best way to nerf scouts... is...

wait for it....

Making assault suits worth speccing into.

No, I actually think that all suits should have a regular melee knife for free. And then the nova one would jsut use a slot (high, mid, or equipment) to make the normal knife energizable.

I don't agree with that as a scout should have the option for a sniper rifle.

leave scouts as they are.. but get this.. give Assault suits precision and range/duration as another bonus on the suits so they are the bane of scouts who dont use Ewar

no scouts should be able to evade infantry except for caladari which as scouts are scout hunters...

no scouts should be able to evade infantry except for caladari which as scouts are scout hunters, so the same role in assualt should pertain to cal assault

Honestly where CCP screwed up with the weapons available to scouts was two fold. One they should only be able to carry one weapon system that is not based on equipment. Two they should be limited by PG and CPU in what they put into that one weapons slot. Then the rest of this takes care of itself.

What do I mean?

Let's say we keep all Scout suits exactly as they are now save only one change. We remove the sidearm slot. Now they can still fit both Light weapons (Assault Rifles, Sniper Rifles, Mass Drivers, Shotguns, even Plasma Cannons) or they can choose to fit a smaller Sidearm weapon (any Pistol, SMG, or Knife). So why would any Scout ever fit a pistol instead of a rifle? Well Sidearms should cost much less to fit in terms of PG and CPU. So if you want to fit that uber shotgun or sniper rifle or even plasma cannon on a Scout suit, you can, but it will cost you more PG and CPU and should gimp the rest of the suit for other purposes.

In other words, to do more damage, there needs to be a tradeoff!!! So the final result is that Scouts should not have the sidearm slot (they can and will fit sidearms in the light slot instead) and they should have a reduced amount of PG and CPU to match. Then the player that uses a Scout suit has to make a decision: more damage = less something else - less damage = more of something else.

This simple and easy fix to Scout suits would solve just about every single complaint I've heard about how Scouts are the new OP in this game.

Don't believe me? Just sit and think on it for a bit.

Hell test it out on the server by reducing the amount of PG and CPU you will use on your scout suits by 10-15% and don't put anything into the sidearm slot. Now go out and fight that way and see what happens.

This is the major reason Scouts are better than Assault at killing right now!

Didn't realize Scouts were still overperforming.
I'm seeing alot more Heavies than Scouts.

the problem isn't having 2 weapons.... its having too much ehp... even proto scouts should get decimated by std weapons... the trade off is how fast and invisible they are.

a scout who is seen should be a dead scout.... period.

Didn't realize Scouts were still overperforming.
I'm seeing alot more Heavies than Scouts.

stupidest idea ever if ccp even starts to do this there will be an uproar and so many people quitting the game it wont be funny. plus that was an idea a while back and everyone went against it so it will not happen now

Fake Scouts would quit.

I ran SMG + NK before the ACR came out.

I'd just go back to running that again.