DUST Search - Remember when the Commando first came out

CHANCEtheChAn wrote:

Long Evity wrote:

I'll take this as a joke reply, of course PC is the do all be all in this game. If you aren't good you won't survive, no team will want to continue carrying someone not keeping up.

And, last I checked, you barely PC. Ever. Lol

Saying the commando is adaptable because of two weapons is also a stretch. The SMG is powerful, easily replaces AR. How is that + any other weapon combo you make any different?

The weapon balance isn't there to make commandos worth it and your stats make it even harder.

Commandos have no real place in this game.

Meh not meant to be the bearer of bad news

But honestly the ONLY role of a commando is A/V specialist

Whether you are in pubs or PC

A medium/light frame having to bring out swarms makes them basically useless PvP

A heavy suit bringing out a forge gun makes him basically a tank with an SMG for PvP

A commando on the other hand can carry hives in his equipment slot and swarms on his back with a rifle in hand to be effective vs infantry in combat

And as soon as that ****** Soma/ADS roles up, the commando throws down the hive and unleashes the swarm (Quite literally)

If your running a Commando without swarms as your secondary your doing it wrong

Commando is a support role (Not enough HP to counter a sentinel, not enough speed to beat an assault frame, not enough equipment slots to beat a logi, not enough stealth to beat a scout)

Therefore all that's left seems pretty logical to me

If you have a squad of 6 of all other classes and one commando

Your ****** when that X-t 1 middle ADS roles up and kills all your teammates

All when you could have just simply put a swarm launcher in the second slow slot

Feel bad for giving out trade secrets but oh well

Heed them wisely

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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6046	Posted - 2014.06.16 07:02:00 - [1] - Quote And we told CCP it was a stupid and terrible idea and should have put efforts in the other suits besides making a useless, intrusive suit in the game. And CCP and it's muppets basically told us we didn't know what we were talking about and were just jumping to conclusions... Lets take a second to reflect on that. A moment of silence is not enough. For their crimes, we must make the Caldari silence permanent.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 3320	Posted - 2014.06.16 07:08:00 - [2] - Quote Remember when it took CCP 2 years to actually listen to it player base.... Let's take a second to reflect on that. Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 889	Posted - 2014.06.16 07:12:00 - [3] - Quote Remember when we downloaded DUST and decided to not just play, but play on a semi/regular basis? Lets take a second to reflect on that. I am a minotaur.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6048	Posted - 2014.06.16 07:12:00 - [4] - Quote Remember when we said a Buff to Direct Impact wouldn't make the Plasma Cannon overpowered but CCP insisted that if the PLC got a buff it would be ridiculously overpowered, beyond that of New Eden has ever seen. Let's take a second to reflect on that. A moment of silence is not enough. For their crimes, we must make the Caldari silence permanent.
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1396	Posted - 2014.06.16 07:13:00 - [5] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: And we told CCP it was a stupid and terrible idea and should have put efforts in the other suits besides making a useless, intrusive suit in the game. And CCP and it's muppets basically told us we didn't know what we were talking about and were just jumping to conclusions... Lets take a second to reflect on that. Pepperidge Farm remembers... :3 Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
I-Shayz-I I-----I 3684	Posted - 2014.06.16 08:20:00 - [6] - Quote I think someone in playtesting got lucky with the commando and they were like "oh ** this is so OP, NERF IT NAO" My guess is that they were camping an objective with a long-range weapon, and every time someone tried to come after them with a CQC weapon, they'd pull out their shotgun and blast them in the face. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!**
Long Evity 1594	Posted - 2014.06.16 08:26:00 - [7] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I think someone in playtesting got lucky with the commando and they were like "oh **** this is so OP, NERF IT NAO" My guess is that they were camping an objective with a long-range weapon, and every time someone tried to come after them with a CQC weapon, they'd pull out their shotgun and blast them in the face. Gal Commando originally had 3 low slots. I must admit, for having 2 light weapons, a 1 low, 3 high slot commando can be OP. Especially with AR/SG buff suit gives. Remember when we told CCP cloaks + SG combo would be OP? Lets take a second to reflect upon that. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 199	Posted - 2014.06.16 08:50:00 - [8] - Quote I disagree. I like where the commandos are going. It's a shame they're removing them from Legion. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
castba Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 483	Posted - 2014.06.16 09:00:00 - [9] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: I disagree. I like where the commandos are going. It's a shame they're removing them from Legion. Really? Why does it feel like legion is becomming less and less diversified as development goes on?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 15469	Posted - 2014.06.16 10:58:00 - [10] - Quote Remember when we took a second to reflect upon that? Lets take a second to reflect upon that. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Gallente Logistics =// Unlocked

Long Evity 1598	Posted - 2014.06.16 11:10:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Remember when we took a second to reflect upon that? Lets take a second to reflect upon that. Remember when CCP picked CPM for us? Lets take a second to reflect upon that. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10660	Posted - 2014.06.16 11:11:00 - [12] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: And we told CCP it was a stupid and terrible idea and should have put efforts in the other suits besides making a useless, intrusive suit in the game. And CCP and it's muppets basically told us we didn't know what we were talking about and were just jumping to conclusions... Lets take a second to reflect on that. Then remember those foolish and brave souls who took those severely underwhelming suits, and they were pretty bad at the time, and made them powerful. Fire of Prometheus Aero Yassavi Grand Master Kubo Thanjac "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2289	Posted - 2014.06.16 11:12:00 - [13] - Quote castba wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: I disagree. I like where the commandos are going. It's a shame they're removing them from Legion. Really? Why does it feel like legion is becomming less and less diversified as development goes on? Batllefieldication PSN: ogamega I'm not a chef, i'm just a man who likes to cook.
Long Evity 1598	Posted - 2014.06.16 11:14:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: And we told CCP it was a stupid and terrible idea and should have put efforts in the other suits besides making a useless, intrusive suit in the game. And CCP and it's muppets basically told us we didn't know what we were talking about and were just jumping to conclusions... Lets take a second to reflect on that. Then remember those foolish and brave souls who took those severely underwhelming suits, and they were pretty bad at the time, and made them powerful. Fire of Prometheus Aero Yassavi Grand Master Kubo Thanjac Nope, still bad. Just pub stomping. There's literally no chance for your larger-hitbox, not quite enough health and no weapon to make up for it, suit to compete against PC ready suits and players. The Commandos role is rooftop camping and nothing else. Remember when CCP announced Commandos have no nade slot? Lets take a second to reflect upon that. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10661	Posted - 2014.06.16 11:27:00 - [15] - Quote Long Evity wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: And we told CCP it was a stupid and terrible idea and should have put efforts in the other suits besides making a useless, intrusive suit in the game. And CCP and it's muppets basically told us we didn't know what we were talking about and were just jumping to conclusions... Lets take a second to reflect on that. Then remember those foolish and brave souls who took those severely underwhelming suits, and they were pretty bad at the time, and made them powerful. Fire of Prometheus Aero Yassavi Grand Master Kubo Thanjac Nope, still bad. Just pub stomping. There's literally no chance for your larger-hitbox, not quite enough health and no weapon to make up for it, suit to compete against PC ready suits and players. The Commandos role is rooftop camping and nothing else. Remember when CCP announced Commandos have no nade slot? Lets take a second to reflect upon that. I dunno I remember when Aldin Kan challenged Aero to a Commando off and got wrecked.....so much for superior PC player skill...... "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Long Evity 1598	Posted - 2014.06.16 11:33:00 - [16] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: And we told CCP it was a stupid and terrible idea and should have put efforts in the other suits besides making a useless, intrusive suit in the game. And CCP and it's muppets basically told us we didn't know what we were talking about and were just jumping to conclusions... Lets take a second to reflect on that. Then remember those foolish and brave souls who took those severely underwhelming suits, and they were pretty bad at the time, and made them powerful. Fire of Prometheus Aero Yassavi Grand Master Kubo Thanjac Nope, still bad. Just pub stomping. There's literally no chance for your larger-hitbox, not quite enough health and no weapon to make up for it, suit to compete against PC ready suits and players. The Commandos role is rooftop camping and nothing else. Remember when CCP announced Commandos have no nade slot? Lets take a second to reflect upon that. I dunno I remember when Aldin Kan challenged Aero to a Commando off and got wrecked.....so much for superior PC player skill...... II hope you're not basing that crapy line of suits off a single confrontation. Care to face me 1v1? I'll even use STD vs your PROTO to prove a point. It's not like this wouldn't be the 10th or so try a commando suit user says he's decent because of lolpubs. Not that 1v1 vs commando is fair, what a crappy suit. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10662	Posted - 2014.06.16 11:41:00 - [17] - Quote Long Evity wrote: True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: True Adamance wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: And we told CCP it was a stupid and terrible idea and should have put efforts in the other suits besides making a useless, intrusive suit in the game. And CCP and it's muppets basically told us we didn't know what we were talking about and were just jumping to conclusions... Lets take a second to reflect on that. Then remember those foolish and brave souls who took those severely underwhelming suits, and they were pretty bad at the time, and made them powerful. Fire of Prometheus Aero Yassavi Grand Master Kubo Thanjac Nope, still bad. Just pub stomping. There's literally no chance for your larger-hitbox, not quite enough health and no weapon to make up for it, suit to compete against PC ready suits and players. The Commandos role is rooftop camping and nothing else. Remember when CCP announced Commandos have no nade slot? Lets take a second to reflect upon that. I dunno I remember when Aldin Kan challenged Aero to a Commando off and got wrecked.....so much for superior PC player skill...... II hope you're not basing that crapy line of suits off a single confrontation. Care to face me 1v1? I'll even use STD vs your PROTO to prove a point. It's not like this wouldn't be the 10th or so try a commando suit user says he's decent because of lolpubs. Not that 1v1 vs commando is fair, what a crappy suit. Depends on how you want to play it..... personally me duking it our with you up close and personal is not how the Amarr Commando is meant to be played. I personally find the Commando suit to be a great line of suits, they have all the things I want in a suit, DPS, heavy Armour, and Secondary Light Weapon slot for adaptability. Sorry if I don't take you at your word when you say PC is the be all end all, last I checked it was a cesspit of Rail Tank playing safe at the redline, nades left right and centre, Combat rifles everwhere, etc,etc, etc. Been in PC before, its not all its cracked up to be and neither are the self aggrandising players who base their egotistical personas off of it. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 861	Posted - 2014.06.16 12:51:00 - [18] - Quote I'm on the toilet taking a dump as I read this. Let's take a second to reflect on that. Because, that's why.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1917	Posted - 2014.06.16 15:36:00 - [19] - Quote I remember the Commando being really bad for over a year. Not any of the other stuff though. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Long Evity 1608	Posted - 2014.06.16 17:20:00 - [20] - Quote I'll take this as a joke reply, of course PC is the do all be all in this game. If you aren't good you won't survive, no team will want to continue carrying someone not keeping up. And, last I checked, you barely PC. Ever. Lol Saying the commando is adaptable because of two weapons is also a stretch. The SMG is powerful, easily replaces AR. How is that + any other weapon combo you make any different? The weapon balance isn't there to make commandos worth it and your stats make it even harder. Commandos have no real place in this game. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.

CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven 415	Posted - 2014.06.16 17:57:00 - [21] - Quote Long Evity wrote: I'll take this as a joke reply, of course PC is the do all be all in this game. If you aren't good you won't survive, no team will want to continue carrying someone not keeping up. And, last I checked, you barely PC. Ever. Lol Saying the commando is adaptable because of two weapons is also a stretch. The SMG is powerful, easily replaces AR. How is that + any other weapon combo you make any different? The weapon balance isn't there to make commandos worth it and your stats make it even harder. Commandos have no real place in this game. Meh not meant to be the bearer of bad news But honestly the ONLY role of a commando is A/V specialist Whether you are in pubs or PC A medium/light frame having to bring out swarms makes them basically useless PvP A heavy suit bringing out a forge gun makes him basically a tank with an SMG for PvP A commando on the other hand can carry hives in his equipment slot and swarms on his back with a rifle in hand to be effective vs infantry in combat And as soon as that **** Soma/ADS roles up, the commando throws down the hive and unleashes the swarm (Quite literally) If your running a Commando without swarms as your secondary your doing it wrong Commando is a support role (Not enough HP to counter a sentinel, not enough speed to beat an assault frame, not enough equipment slots to beat a logi, not enough stealth to beat a scout) Therefore all that's left seems pretty logical to me If you have a squad of 6 of all other classes and one commando Your **** when that X-t 1 middle ADS roles up and kills all your teammates All when you could have just simply put a swarm launcher in the second slow slot Feel bad for giving out trade secrets but oh well Heed them wisely Hmmm. The Meta is strong with this one...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6056	Posted - 2014.06.16 18:03:00 - [22] - Quote And now assaults have two light weapons in Legion A moment of silence is not enough. For their crimes, we must make the Caldari silence permanent.
Tectonic Fusion 1695	Posted - 2014.06.16 18:07:00 - [23] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: And now assaults have two light weapons in Legion CCP!!! WHATEVER YOU'RE SMOKING I WANT IT!!!
Long Evity 1611	Posted - 2014.06.16 18:11:00 - [24] - Quote CHANCEtheChAn wrote: Long Evity wrote: I'll take this as a joke reply, of course PC is the do all be all in this game. If you aren't good you won't survive, no team will want to continue carrying someone not keeping up. And, last I checked, you barely PC. Ever. Lol Saying the commando is adaptable because of two weapons is also a stretch. The SMG is powerful, easily replaces AR. How is that + any other weapon combo you make any different? The weapon balance isn't there to make commandos worth it and your stats make it even harder. Commandos have no real place in this game. Meh not meant to be the bearer of bad news But honestly the ONLY role of a commando is A/V specialist Whether you are in pubs or PC A medium/light frame having to bring out swarms makes them basically useless PvP A heavy suit bringing out a forge gun makes him basically a tank with an SMG for PvP A commando on the other hand can carry hives in his equipment slot and swarms on his back with a rifle in hand to be effective vs infantry in combat And as soon as that **** Soma/ADS roles up, the commando throws down the hive and unleashes the swarm (Quite literally) If your running a Commando without swarms as your secondary your doing it wrong Commando is a support role (Not enough HP to counter a sentinel, not enough speed to beat an assault frame, not enough equipment slots to beat a logi, not enough stealth to beat a scout) Therefore all that's left seems pretty logical to me If you have a squad of 6 of all other classes and one commando Your **** when that X-t 1 middle ADS roles up and kills all your teammates All when you could have just simply put a swarm launcher in the second slow slot Feel bad for giving out trade secrets but oh well Heed them wisely Uhm, you put a commando in your group instead of an assault, logi, or scout who can do everything they can do but better? Even as AV - commando cannot solo any smart tanker. It's hard enough with a forge. There 'adaptability' to switching to an AR is a joke, they don't have the slots. You're basically saying they get to choose who wipes the floor with them. Vehicles or infantry - because they're not capable of soloing either no matter what you set up. If this was a game of 32 vs 32 like BF4 commando might have a role, but with 16 vs 16 your replacing a slayer or heavy with an inferior in every way suit who can be slightly adaptable but not be potent at his role. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
ANON Cerberus ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 836	Posted - 2014.06.16 18:36:00 - [25] - Quote Reflect that second on a take lets? no..
Atiim NoGameNoLife 9516	Posted - 2014.06.16 19:26:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: CCP wants Vehicles to kill vehicles. This means that AV is a suppression tactic. Run solo, you will be suppressing. If you want to kill vehicles with AV, you'll need to coordinate. Tankers actually use far more skill than AV will ever have to. I'd say pilots too, but they die too quick for their skill to be relevant. As someone who owns prototype AV and plenty of vehicles I can safely say that AV as is takes extremely little skill. If you work as a squad, it basically requires no skill. Let's reflect on this as well. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation. -HAND
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 255	Posted - 2014.06.16 19:50:00 - [27] - Quote castba wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: I disagree. I like where the commandos are going. It's a shame they're removing them from Legion. Really? Why does it feel like legion is becoming less and less diversified as development goes on? My two cents would say that this is possible to people playing a saturated first-person shooter like battlefield or call of duty. This attitude causes players to feel as if they are entitled to something and they should be unkillable. These are some of the problems going on in first-person shooters today, they want to be unstoppable but not willing to put the time and effort into doing so. They want the easy way of doing it. If they cannot do it they will call for help from the developers of the game to get that so call "OP" weapon or something toned down to where if they cannot use it no one can. Now look at DUST, tell me what drop suits you have seen the most of on the battle field. Out of 100%; ~1% Assault suits,14% dedicated Logistics suits (unless in a squad of heavies), 12% Commando suits, 36.5% Heavy Suits, and 36.5% scouts. You will see more heavies and scouts on the battlefield more than you will see the other suits and there are some reasons staring us directly in the face as of why this is so. why ccp?
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10675	Posted - 2014.06.16 20:00:00 - [28] - Quote CHANCEtheChAn wrote: Long Evity wrote: I'll take this as a joke reply, of course PC is the do all be all in this game. If you aren't good you won't survive, no team will want to continue carrying someone not keeping up. And, last I checked, you barely PC. Ever. Lol Saying the commando is adaptable because of two weapons is also a stretch. The SMG is powerful, easily replaces AR. How is that + any other weapon combo you make any different? The weapon balance isn't there to make commandos worth it and your stats make it even harder. Commandos have no real place in this game. Meh not meant to be the bearer of bad news But honestly the ONLY role of a commando is A/V specialist Whether you are in pubs or PC A medium/light frame having to bring out swarms makes them basically useless PvP A heavy suit bringing out a forge gun makes him basically a tank with an SMG for PvP A commando on the other hand can carry hives in his equipment slot and swarms on his back with a rifle in hand to be effective vs infantry in combat And as soon as that **** Soma/ADS roles up, the commando throws down the hive and unleashes the swarm (Quite literally) If your running a Commando without swarms as your secondary your doing it wrong Commando is a support role (Not enough HP to counter a sentinel, not enough speed to beat an assault frame, not enough equipment slots to beat a logi, not enough stealth to beat a scout) Therefore all that's left seems pretty logical to me If you have a squad of 6 of all other classes and one commando Your **** when that X-t 1 middle ADS roles up and kills all your teammates All when you could have just simply put a swarm launcher in the second slow slot Feel bad for giving out trade secrets but oh well Heed them wisely Yeah I shall definitely listen to you over all six of those players who picked it up, proto'd it, and were wrecking people long before the damage increase and its resurgence..... no the Commando is not about two damage types or Swarm AV capacity though those are very good reasons to pick up the suit. I wouldn't even consider the Commando suit an AV unit most of the time though I only use the Amarr Commando due to PIE Inc regulations. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Onesimus Tarsus Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 2122	Posted - 2014.06.16 20:06:00 - [29] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Remember when we took a second to reflect upon that? Lets take a second to reflect upon that. Remember when CCP picked CPM for us? Lets take a second to reflect upon that. Bandit down. Good kill. I'm sorry if my signature no longer matches my earlier posts. K/Dr WP/Dr matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period.
Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 255	Posted - 2014.06.16 20:13:00 - [30] - Quote remember when running a scout suit ACTUALLY took skill back then versus some of the scouts after 1.8 armor tanking and such? why ccp?



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