DUST Search - Destiny is great, but it is NOT a replacement for Dust/Legion

Gemini Cuspid wrote:

CRNWLLC wrote:

I-Shayz-I wrote:

READ OP

I appreciate your analysis, thanks a lot. I can't wait for the Destiny beta to drop.

But some of the points you made bring up some issues I've been having with Dust lately.

I don't think there's actually a higher amount of variation. This is evinced by the overwhelming number of heavies/tanks/cloaky scouts and ACRs/SGs/HMGs. So, without real balance between the "options", there aren't many options for players that care about good, fair fights, more than the easiest path to a high KDR. Bear in mind my usual fit involves a basic scout suit and basic ScR.

The TacNet system is nifty, but it's also a crutch that rewards players with older characters (ie, dropsuit electronics upgrades). From what I've seen of Destiny and heard from its developers, players are supposed to get information on their friends/foes based on the way they look. Not sure how this works in practice, but it sounds sufficient to me.

Not sure how passive SP in Dust "allows" casual play, but there's a strong sentiment in the community that Dust is pay-to-win (or at least, pay-to-have-a-much-much-higher-likelihood-of-winning). Assuming two players of generally the same video game experience/skill start characters at the same time, and one plays daily with boosters, while the other logs in once a week without, the former player will almost unquestionably come out on top of any one-on-one with the latter, and it has little to do with inherent skill. It's almost universally agreed that Dust is not in any way a fun or approachable game for casual or new players.

Which brings me to my next point: I don't care at all about the cost of anything I lose because I run cheap gear and go ISK/KDR positive. This is not only because dropships are expensive, and I like to crash them, but because I have become majorly anti-tryhard these past months, and dislike playing against people that actually feel like they're losing something when they die in-game. Or that think they're good because they coordinate with a bunch of their protobros to stomp on a bunch of MLT randos in Ambush. I would much prefer that everyone has access to the same equipment from the start, and that skill has to do with the way they use that equipment, versus the amount of time they've had a character. As someone pointed out a while ago, the idea that you need a whole different skillset to use another type of rifle is ludicrous, as is the idea of skill in a weapon or module somehow changing its physical properties (a la, +X% clip capacity/level, or +X% better armor efficacy per level--how does knowledge = more/stronger against bullets?). I have fun pewpewing fake faces, not keeping an inventory gear, so I buy hundreds and hundreds of the cheap crap I use and forget about the marketplace for a month.

Anyway, Dust does (EDIT: did) have a lot going for it, and it is fun as hell--I just wish that balance was a priority, it was easier for noobs to get into, and that it wasn't built around rewarding sh!thead "tactics" and playstyles.

I got a different feel from the Alpha I'll say a few things:

you *are* comparing a 1+ yr game vs an Alpha...if you can tell me the problem with that then I digress
Alpha, 'nuff said
some of the content itself was also capped to avoid "over consumption"; it "is" working as a part mmo and none of us are going to deny that getting access to the game fully would lead hundreds of thousands to race to the end and learn everything
the core mechanics and difficulty which will require greater teamwork rather than a Bordlands boss-fight feel will be there on game launch
in the beginning tons of stuff are easier, same was true for Dust, and the variation is limited. A good example is how many weapons do 15+ months players of Dust use versus their first several months?

I'm not going to white night Destiny but, unlike a lot of the "omgz we gotta defend Dust & CCP", like really you have the need to play up Dust as if it were bounds and leaps superior to Destiny and the only way to prove otherwise is to play the game 100% fully Attention

There are tons of logic problems with what you posted and your approach in doing so but there is one thing that is a given:

Destiny has immense possibilities at this stage still. Dust is clinging to life support because a game that's been out for over a year and has gotten the reputation it has along with the poor ratings it's sported for a year while tossing in it's inability to produce and environment that is receptive to new players is the major and only difference that matters right now. Because it also implies that one title has the ability to start off right while the other is *still* trying to get on the right track .

And yes, these differences do matter~

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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4454	Posted - 2014.06.17 14:50:00 - [31] - Quote That Wizard Came From The Moon.
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 Iron Oxide. 543	Posted - 2014.06.17 16:03:00 - [32] - Quote games DONT have to be similar to replace one another. "time spent" is the only true stat that matter and by the looks of your post, you're trying to justify that wont ever leave dust,even though destiny is 10x funner and you can already feel yourself cheating on dust with DESTINY. this game is trash, and once you stop playing it for a month or 2, because you cant stop playing destiny, to hit that next level up or do that next raid, you'll see. see you in destiny.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 354	Posted - 2014.06.17 16:14:00 - [33] - Quote i was intending to go and try destnty but that would mean: I would need to buy a ps4. which currently dosnt have any final fantasy games on it. that I cant get on the ps3. I have 50+ mill sp on dust. legion is a ''side project'' of ccp and may or may not become a thing so dust will live. dust is likely to survive after hotfrix bravo. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 965	Posted - 2014.06.17 17:11:00 - [34] - Quote I will say that the pvp element, Control mode, of Destiny is definitely different from Dusts and more simplistic and less tactical in part because of the smaller map, Rust Lands, and fewer players. However, I think that may in part be resolved, if they were holding back on the com system because this was an alpha. With proximity chat or preferably you are automatically tied into a 6 squad chat system would make the pvp more tactical and interesting. I would say playing pvp I witnessed and perpetrated a lot of noobish behaviour by rushing from one point to another but being generous I would say it was because it was an alpha and people were simply trying out new ways of doing things and not choosing the most efficient or effective tactic. Just to start the OP discussion I will say that the Shotgun was pretty much abused by players, including me, in pvp and my concern is what happens when the level cap is removed and you have high level players with maxed legendary gear fighting against the lesser mortals. Our prototype gear and militia wouldn't even compare to the difference you will see in Destiny without decent matchmaking. I would also go onto to say that on the positive side getting in battle on Destiny was a lot quicker than in Dust and the fact that I think in Destiny there was approxt 6-7 pvp modes that were greyed out, can not remember the exact number. Perhaps more of these modes will be available in the Beta and will change my opinion on pvp. My biggest disappointment with Destiny Alpha was the comms system. But again this was an alpha and I hope they simply restricted it and this is not how it will appear in the final release. While Destiny is definitely not comparable to Dust, and I did really enjoy my time in Dust, in one important way it does compete/compare and that is the fact that I spent 19hrs 35 mins (according to Bungie alpha website stats) playing the Destiny Alpha and all I did in Dust was log in for the bonus sp. What Destiny will do very effectively is take up a large chunk of my time playing computer games when the Beta is released and when the final product is launched. For an Alpha Destiny was seriously good fun and more than I expected would be in the Alpha. Public Relations - tick tick BOOM. PSN: CallOfTheDark
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 128	Posted - 2014.06.17 17:54:00 - [35] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: i was intending to go and try destnty but that would mean: I would need to buy a ps4. which currently dosnt have any final fantasy games on it. that I cant get on the ps3. I have 50+ mill sp on dust. legion is a ''side project'' of ccp and may or may not become a thing so dust will live. dust is likely to survive after hotfrix bravo. Its coming out on the 360 , ps3 , and xbox one too.
CRNWLLC Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 315	Posted - 2014.06.17 20:58:00 - [36] - Quote Gemini Cuspid wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: READ OP I appreciate your analysis, thanks a lot. I can't wait for the Destiny beta to drop. But some of the points you made bring up some issues I've been having with Dust lately. I don't think there's actually a higher amount of variation. This is evinced by the overwhelming number of heavies/tanks/cloaky scouts and ACRs/SGs/HMGs. So, without real balance between the "options", there aren't many options for players that care about good, fair fights, more than the easiest path to a high KDR. Bear in mind my usual fit involves a basic scout suit and basic ScR. The TacNet system is nifty, but it's also a crutch that rewards players with older characters (ie, dropsuit electronics upgrades). From what I've seen of Destiny and heard from its developers, players are supposed to get information on their friends/foes based on the way they look. Not sure how this works in practice, but it sounds sufficient to me. Not sure how passive SP in Dust "allows" casual play, but there's a strong sentiment in the community that Dust is pay-to-win (or at least, pay-to-have-a-much-much-higher-likelihood-of-winning). Assuming two players of generally the same video game experience/skill start characters at the same time, and one plays daily with boosters, while the other logs in once a week without, the former player will almost unquestionably come out on top of any one-on-one with the latter, and it has little to do with inherent skill. It's almost universally agreed that Dust is not in any way a fun or approachable game for casual or new players. Which brings me to my next point: I don't care at all about the cost of anything I lose because I run cheap gear and go ISK/KDR positive. This is not only because dropships are expensive, and I like to crash them, but because I have become majorly anti-tryhard these past months, and dislike playing against people that actually feel like they're losing something when they die in-game. Or that think they're good because they coordinate with a bunch of their protobros to stomp on a bunch of MLT randos in Ambush. I would much prefer that everyone has access to the same equipment from the start, and that skill has to do with the way they use that equipment, versus the amount of time they've had a character. As someone pointed out a while ago, the idea that you need a whole different skillset to use another type of rifle is ludicrous, as is the idea of skill in a weapon or module somehow changing its physical properties (a la, +X% clip capacity/level, or +X% better armor efficacy per level--how does knowledge = more/stronger against bullets?). I have fun pewpewing fake faces, not keeping an inventory gear, so I buy hundreds and hundreds of the cheap crap I use and forget about the marketplace for a month. Anyway, Dust does (EDIT: did) have a lot going for it, and it is fun as hell--I just wish that balance was a priority, it was easier for noobs to get into, and that it wasn't built around rewarding sh!thead "tactics" and playstyles. I got a different feel from the Alpha I'll say a few things: you are comparing a 1+ yr game vs an Alpha...if you can tell me the problem with that then I digress Alpha, 'nuff said some of the content itself was also capped to avoid "over consumption"; it "is" working as a part mmo and none of us are going to deny that getting access to the game fully would lead hundreds of thousands to race to the end and learn everything the core mechanics and difficulty which will require greater teamwork rather than a Bordlands boss-fight feel will be there on game launch in the beginning tons of stuff are easier, same was true for Dust, and the variation is limited. A good example is how many weapons do 15+ months players of Dust use versus their first several months? I'm not going to white night Destiny but, unlike a lot of the "omgz we gotta defend Dust & CCP", like really you have the need to play up Dust as if it were bounds and leaps superior to Destiny and the only way to prove otherwise is to play the game 100% fully There are tons of logic problems with what you posted and your approach in doing so but there is one thing that is a given: Destiny has immense possibilities at this stage still. Dust is clinging to life support because a game that's been out for over a year and has gotten the reputation it has along with the poor ratings it's sported for a year while tossing in it's inability to produce and environment that is receptive to new players is the major and only difference that matters right now. Because it also implies that one title has the ability to start off right while the other is still trying to get on the right track . And yes, these differences do matter~ Reading comprehension is clearly not your strong suit. I was complaining about Dust until the very end, where I concede that despite is numerous shortcomings, it's still fun. I have been hailing Destiny as the Messiah for the past two months.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 3695	Posted - 2014.06.17 21:23:00 - [37] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: this game is trash, and once you stop playing it for a month or 2, because you cant stop playing destiny, to hit that next level up or do that next raid, you'll see. see you in destiny. I was having fun in tne single player aspect of it, but as for the co-op multiplayer that I was EXPECTING from Destiny, it just wasn't there. Dust is the only sci-fi shooter out there with a RPG-like class system. The only game better than Dust was Resistance 2, and they shut the multiplayer servers down so I can't play it anymore. There's games out there like TF2, but it's just not the same. In Dust I feel like I'm a part of a team. You don't get that in any other shooter really. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!


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