you just explained why minmatar are guerrilla warfare specialists. this is why the combat rifle does so much damage. combined with minmatar speed you get in fast, blast your target and leave before anyone can do anything about it. then you do it again to someone else. minmatar dont do slug matches. they are hit and run. more so than caldari. their stats are designed purposely so they cant stand toe to toe with anyone. theyre designed to force you into the hit and run play style

The minmatar assault/scout slot layout always confused me compared to the logistics/sentinel.

I always thought minmatar was supposed to be balanced between highs and lows with a slight preference to shields/high slots. In other words, the same as Amarr, but flipped.

Caldari consistently has insane amounts of high slots, it just makes sense for the 5/2 layout

so youre not using complex kincats? i dont need cover just kill, run and flank the next target.

you dont need scanners and you dont need defense really. just focus on speed and firepower. thats it and use damage mods. i just did a match (lost it) but i went 17/6 in milita medium frame lol. dont tell me idk how to hit and run. i just did without any problems and died 3 times in it. i hack a point, left, came back and killed three guys counter hacking ran away, and came back killed a dude as he was being revived, then killed the guy who revived him, then a heavy caldari after that.

i dont even run minmatar and know how they work lol

1 complex extender

1 enhanced recharger

1 enhanced damage mod

std combat rifle

std smg

compact nanohive

I can (and do) do the exact same thing in a Caldari assault and have more health, more recharge rate, less recharge delay and only suffer a tiny speed and stamina drop in return. In fact, I can do the same thing sans the shield extender in a skinweave assault and STILL have more HP.

Care to try again?

the difference for me come from the increased stamina recharge which let me run or jump pretty much whenever i need to. its also not a little boost eith but almost double the stamina regen with chunk more stamina total. combined with the higher speed i can cover more ground faster than a caldari assault can. i just dont let myself get shot. i shoot someone til theyre either dead, or they turn to aim at me. im gone before they can hit me. kincats are high burst damage are my tank. its about having more hp or recharging faster, its about completely taking advantage of enemy flanks and doing as much damage as possible and then leaving before they can get you. thats why all minmatar weapons deal lots of damage in short amounts of time. you cant even camp with them, you have to always keep moving.

if you try that with caldari youll run out of stamina, and you take too long to regen your stamina, which makes it not viable.

i just finished a match where the enemy was on one end of a bridge. it was a dom match. they saw shooting at them, so i stopped attacking and around behind them. it only took me maybe 20 seconds to do this. i then sat there for 2 mins shooting and killing everyone from behind as they spawned onto the bridge. i died because someone spawned on a cru that was behind me.

after using the suit though, i feel that a 1 hp/s armor regen would be useful if only it was given to the assault suit.

the difference for me come from the increased stamina recharge which let me run or jump pretty much whenever i need to. its also not a little boost eith but almost double the stamina regen with chunk more stamina total. combined with the higher speed i can cover more ground faster than a caldari assault can. i just dont let myself get shot. i shoot someone til theyre either dead, or they turn to aim at me. im gone before they can hit me. kincats are high burst damage are my tank. its about having more hp or recharging faster, its about completely taking advantage of enemy flanks and doing as much damage as possible and then leaving before they can get you. thats why all minmatar weapons deal lots of damage in short amounts of time. you cant even camp with them, you have to always keep moving.

if you try that with caldari youll run out of stamina, and you take too long to regen your stamina, which makes it not viable.

i just finished a match where the enemy was on one end of a bridge. it was a dom match. they saw shooting at them, so i stopped attacking and around behind them. it only took me maybe 20 seconds to do this. i then sat there for 2 mins shooting and killing everyone from behind as they spawned onto the bridge. i died because someone spawned on a cru that was behind me.

after using the suit though, i feel that a 1 hp/s armor regen would be useful if only it was given to the assault suit.

You have touched on a few things I do agree on here. The old native 1hp/sec armor regen helped a lot more than most people realized as it allowed you to not need to rely on a hive or a repair/reactive plate to get your tiny amount of armor back, a huge thing when at most you have 2 lows to run your necessities. And the stamina and regen do help a lot for flanking and escape, allowing you outpace your opponents through endurance.

However the lack of proper cover over large portions of the map combined with matches swarming with super scanning/damping scouts makes a flank/hit/shift/hit/flank battle style unsustainable if you are against anyone who knows how to play the game. The fact that we can have some good matches when the enemy is incompetent doesn't mean that the suit you are running is running the way it should be.

Before 1.8 this suit managed to hold it's own for all of the reasons you have mentioned so far, but now that scouts have rolled in that for the most part can tank just as much eHP with more speed and passive damps/scans (and one even with 3 passive reps) not to mention their access to cloaks and 2 equipment slots, this suit is being overshadowed. All of the points I've made above have been suggested pre-1.8 and I turned them down every time because the niche was open and this suit filled it nicely. Now that the niche is better served by another suit, this suit needs it's own niche again.

I've (as it pertains to your thoughts on using damage modules with this suit) also suggested a couple days ago in one thread (the thread put up by Zatara) about assault suit changes that the Minmatar suit should have a direct bonus to damage modules in order to a) help it better fill the hit and run role better and b) to make at least one class that can get proper use out of them. A direct buff to the module would just lead to everyone throwing them on an otherwise brick-tanked suit again, and I would like to avoid that happening again if possible.

Check out this thread; it talks about the slot problem and offers a great solution.

You have touched on a few things I do agree on here. The old native 1hp/sec armor regen helped a lot more than most people realized as it allowed you to not need to rely on a hive or a repair/reactive plate to get your tiny amount of armor back, a huge thing when at most you have 2 lows to run your necessities. And the stamina and regen do help a lot for flanking and escape, allowing you outpace your opponents through endurance.

However the lack of proper cover over large portions of the map combined with matches swarming with super scanning/damping scouts makes a flank/hit/shift/hit/flank battle style unsustainable if you are against anyone who knows how to play the game. The fact that we can have some good matches when the enemy is incompetent doesn't mean that the suit you are running is running the way it should be.

Before 1.8 this suit managed to hold it's own for all of the reasons you have mentioned so far, but now that scouts have rolled in that for the most part can tank just as much eHP with more speed and passive damps/scans (and one even with 3 passive reps) not to mention their access to cloaks and 2 equipment slots, this suit is being overshadowed. All of the points I've made above have been suggested pre-1.8 and I turned them down every time because the niche was open and this suit filled it nicely. Now that the niche is better served by another suit, this suit needs it's own niche again.

I've (as it pertains to your thoughts on using damage modules with this suit) also suggested a couple days ago in one thread (the thread put up by Zatara) about assault suit changes that the Minmatar suit should have a direct bonus to damage modules in order to a) help it better fill the hit and run role better and b) to make at least one class that can get proper use out of them. A direct buff to the module would just lead to everyone throwing them on an otherwise brick-tanked suit again, and I would like to avoid that happening again if possible.

Hey guys I've been running the min assault pretty exclusively for over a year now. I've had my ups and downs with the suit but 1.8 was really a double edged sword for the suit. Yes we got tons more stamina, something I was always trying to get before, but these super scouts have really made this suit sad. Before 1.8 I really felt my role had a nice niche (use to love running ewar mods on this suit) , now scouts do literally everything better (ewar, speed, regen, even HP sometimes). This is why I started to fit armor and blend into the other broken assault roles.

The slot count for minmatar and Caldari should be switched but that isn't the whole problem. What really needs to happen to let the min assault reign in front line flanking and general hit and run is a nerf to scout regen. I for the life of me can't understand why they get such high base regen because really they aren't supposed to be hit in the first place. If we would just swap all the regen on scout suits with assault suits all our problems would be solved.

OP sounds right to me. Let the tankers tank, the re-animato... uh, regenerators regenerate.

2-5 Amarr
5-2 Caldari
3-4 Gallente
4-3 Minmatar

Think that should be:

3-4 Amarr (max dual tank, max stamina)
5-2 Caldari (max shield tank)
2-5 Gallente (max armour tank)
4-3 Minmatar (max speed tank, min shield delay)

According to most of the people I've spoken to Amarr is supposed to be armor tanked and Gallente is supposed to be armor buffer tanked (rep tanked) thus the addition of the passive reps to the suits. Is this incorrect?

In a perfect world (my perfect world anyway) the Winmatar Assault would be a scout/assault hybrid. It would have middle ground stats between scouts and assaults including profile, scan precision, speed, shield regen and hitbox with a passive 1hp/sec rep and a bonus to damage modules. Sneakier than other assaults but tankier than scouts. Not as fast as a scout, larger hit box than a scout, but still faster and smaller than an assault.

That's how I imagined it back in Chromosome.... it's a shame it never happened....

Winmatar AssScout - the ultimate recon soldier

Now from what I understand, the Caldari Assault is supposed to be a shield HP tanker and the Minmatar suit is supposed to be a low eHP suit that plays a highly versatile hit-and-run role. The problem is that hit-and-run sort of implies good regeneration to make up for a lack of tanking ability, and HP tanking sort of implies you rely on high HP (not fast recharge rates, small HP recharge delays, etc.).

The Rust Buckets are in desperate need of some regeneration abilities. They should have priority on Regeneration and Speed with secondary on Shield and tertiary on armor. (Yes Minmatar can "armor" tank as well, just not as much)

And the Caldari Need to be more the shield tanked race with secondary priorities on regeneration.

I've constructed this Graph that gives you an idea of what the Races should look like in my ideal world between Hit points and Regeneration:

Graph

Color coded for race and those are base values without skills or modules affecting them.