DUST Search - Bravo Feedback: RE Counter Proposal

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

Me thinks thou art a little butthurt, do you truly believe that heavy of yours should be surviving something made to not only decimate infantry but also take out heavy armor?

What you've run into is your counter, everyone has a fault in their fits, the heavy is too slow/large to get away from hard hitting weapons like the shotgun and REs.

Simply balence.

Bullshit. It's like the explosive resistance on sentinels doesn't even work.

God, I thought we could have an intelligent discussion on this, but apparently anyone who thinks basic REs aren't broken is a douchebag who likes to exploit basic REs.

Your goddamn Scout suits are cheaper than ours. They're better than ours. They're OP.

And one of the reasons they're OP is basic remotes. CCP is doing us all a favor here. And putting you egotistical goddamn scouts in check.

Edit: By the way, you'll be happy to know that an advanced RE will probably still kill most sentinels.

If you wished to have an intelligent discussion then perhaps cutting down on the insults and taunts would be a good first step?

The explosive resistance is working just fine, however the REs damage is made to destroy tanks as well as infantry, that small percentage won't save you unless you've the most tanked suit possible.

I never said that basic REs are 'fine' I'm simply saying that no infantry should survive being caught in the blast, and that they are a counter to the heavy class.

Oh and by the way I tend to use PROTOTYPE REs, not basic, on a PROTOTYPE suit that is far more expensive then my own proto heavy, and saying that the scout suits are 'better' is objective.

Once again if you wish to have an intelligent discussion then cut back on the insults, the only one who seems to have an ego here is yourself.

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Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 180	Posted - 2014.06.11 06:01:00 - [31] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Nerf nerf The game will be heavy 514 soon News flash heavies and scouts are in a good place now. Al this nerfs/bufs are stupid. Are RE a problem ? NO NOT REALY Start buffing the assaults. The RE nerf will only benefit the heavies and the tanks nothing else nothing more. It's not like they need more love FFs. The cloak still need work ( the decloake and insta use of guns are still broken ) FIX THAT BEFORE Why do I even bother or care, it's pointless any way. Sorry for any bad English Dude, seriously the QQ is ridiculous. A basic remote that costs like 3,000 ISK and next do nothing on your CPU/PG should NOT KILL A FULL PROTO HEAVY. You are seriously crying like a baby dude. Grow up and realize that is unfair as all Hell to heavies. Edit: However. I do see your point about AV, and suggest that the damage for proto possibly should've been increased to compromise. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 530	Posted - 2014.06.11 06:02:00 - [32] - Quote Awareness is a hellava thing. No need to nerf RE's just because I detonated your Heavy Sentinel's @ss CCP Rattati. HTFU
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 180	Posted - 2014.06.11 06:03:00 - [33] - Quote IVIaster LUKE wrote: Awareness is a hellava thing. This guy. This guy is one of the ones who's killed my full proto heavy with a BASIC REMOTE. Bahahahahaha sweet, sweet revenge My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 14390	Posted - 2014.06.11 06:03:00 - [34] - Quote Good stuff. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 6103	Posted - 2014.06.11 06:15:00 - [35] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: IVIaster LUKE wrote: Awareness is a hellava thing. This guy. This guy is one of the ones who's killed my full proto heavy with a BASIC REMOTE. Bahahahahaha sweet, sweet revenge Me thinks thou art a little butthurt, do you truly believe that heavy of yours should be surviving something made to not only decimate infantry but also take out heavy armor? What you've run into is your counter, everyone has a fault in their fits, the heavy is too slow/large to get away from hard hitting weapons like the shotgun and REs. Simply balence. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 180	Posted - 2014.06.11 06:46:00 - [36] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Me thinks thou art a little butthurt, do you truly believe that heavy of yours should be surviving something made to not only decimate infantry but also take out heavy armor? What you've run into is your counter, everyone has a fault in their fits, the heavy is too slow/large to get away from hard hitting weapons like the shotgun and REs. Simply balence. Bullshit. It's like the explosive resistance on sentinels doesn't even work. God, I thought we could have an intelligent discussion on this, but apparently anyone who thinks basic REs aren't broken is a douchebag who likes to exploit basic REs. Your goddamn Scout suits are cheaper than ours. They're better than ours. They're OP. And one of the reasons they're OP is basic remotes. CCP is doing us all a favor here. And putting you egotistical goddamn scouts in check. Edit: By the way, you'll be happy to know that an advanced RE will probably still kill most sentinels. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 182	Posted - 2014.06.11 06:50:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I want this playstyle to be efficient, working and fun. And I also don't want proto heavies frisbeed with no recourse. You see? I really love this man. He makes sense. My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 816	Posted - 2014.06.11 08:04:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Modified Proposal Changing the damage profile, Increasing proto damage, pulling PG changes, reducing activation length a little less. These should encourage high end AV tankhunters to keep using RE's and reduce the frisbees a little. If you want to reduce frisbees, you have to reduce the durability that some of the more extreme Heavies can attain. I've seen some Proto Suit/Proto HMG heavies go 40/0 because they stand on a point and spam gunfire down the alleyway. The only way to kill it? Either another Near Proto full fit with a personal healer (in opposition to the armor rep hives that usually spatter the offender's location) Or remote explosives. If 4 people shooting the same target in a forced enclosed area such as an objective point, cannot get past said single player in a heavy suit, they start looking around for other options. The result? Generic use of RE as Anti-Heavy gear. When you look at the disparity between Heavy Proto gear and the survivability of all other types of gear... explosives are about the only real option you can take short of an orbital or a 3 person ambush from behind, and in an enclosed area behind is often not a possible option. Out in the open, the argument for Heavies looks sound because their range is almost nonexistent, but it just... becomes absurd so quickly in close quarters. http://youtu.be/dtXupQg77SU Dust to Dust, theme
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1670	Posted - 2014.06.11 08:44:00 - [39] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Your goddamn Scout suits are cheaper than ours. They're better than ours. They're OP. And one of the reasons they're OP is basic remotes. CCP is doing us all a favor here. And putting you egotistical goddamn scouts in check. Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: FIRST TESTDUMMY wrote: With shoddy hit detection and the Caldari Light Frames' weird strafing speeds, I'll be a god in close quarters one versus one engagements. Until you meet my basic heavy. I laughed pretty hard when I killed Shotty GoBang twice in one match with it today. He was in full proto. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad. 6111	Posted - 2014.06.11 08:48:00 - [40] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Me thinks thou art a little butthurt, do you truly believe that heavy of yours should be surviving something made to not only decimate infantry but also take out heavy armor? What you've run into is your counter, everyone has a fault in their fits, the heavy is too slow/large to get away from hard hitting weapons like the shotgun and REs. Simply balence. Bullshit. It's like the explosive resistance on sentinels doesn't even work. God, I thought we could have an intelligent discussion on this, but apparently anyone who thinks basic REs aren't broken is a douchebag who likes to exploit basic REs. Your goddamn Scout suits are cheaper than ours. They're better than ours. They're OP. And one of the reasons they're OP is basic remotes. CCP is doing us all a favor here. And putting you egotistical goddamn scouts in check. Edit: By the way, you'll be happy to know that an advanced RE will probably still kill most sentinels. If you wished to have an intelligent discussion then perhaps cutting down on the insults and taunts would be a good first step? The explosive resistance is working just fine, however the REs damage is made to destroy tanks as well as infantry, that small percentage won't save you unless you've the most tanked suit possible. I never said that basic REs are 'fine' I'm simply saying that no infantry should survive being caught in the blast, and that they are a counter to the heavy class. Oh and by the way I tend to use PROTOTYPE REs, not basic, on a PROTOTYPE suit that is far more expensive then my own proto heavy, and saying that the scout suits are 'better' is objective. Once again if you wish to have an intelligent discussion then cut back on the insults, the only one who seems to have an ego here is yourself. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 1 STB-Infantry (Demolition)

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2267	Posted - 2014.06.11 09:28:00 - [41] - Quote I don't like very much those changes. In my opinion you should not be able to restock RE at all (like other equipments), but they should keep their damage value. They are a problem against infantry meanwhile they are perfectly balanced against vehicles. Why not just cut their range? With less range infantry would have the time to escape and RE would be still effective as AV, where you don't need range. RE are perfect as AV, because they require player skill, if they kill your vehicle it's your fault, i never get killed by RE when i'm in the open because i hear the sound and after the first, i'm already moving, the only time they can place 3 of them is when you make a wrong manouver or if you don't pay attention to the sounds. Hint: Instead of a nerf to the RE, we need a flux nade variant, with a large AoE and low damage on shield. PSN: ogamega I'm not a chef, i'm just a man who likes to cook.
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1086	Posted - 2014.06.11 09:49:00 - [42] - Quote I still don't really see the need for a nerf, but numbers look much better now. At least the new basic RE will be able to destroy a milita LAV now. This is the way to go about it. If you are going to make a nerf, just nerf the variable that you think is the problem. The activation timer in this case.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 631	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:43:00 - [43] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Me thinks thou art a little butthurt, do you truly believe that heavy of yours should be surviving something made to not only decimate infantry but also take out heavy armor? What you've run into is your counter, everyone has a fault in their fits, the heavy is too slow/large to get away from hard hitting weapons like the shotgun and REs. Simply balence. Bullshit. It's like the explosive resistance on sentinels doesn't even work. God, I thought we could have an intelligent discussion on this, but apparently anyone who thinks basic REs aren't broken is a douchebag who likes to exploit basic REs. Your goddamn Scout suits are cheaper than ours. They're better than ours. They're OP. And one of the reasons they're OP is basic remotes. CCP is doing us all a favor here. And putting you egotistical goddamn scouts in check. Edit: By the way, you'll be happy to know that an advanced RE will probably still kill most sentinels. If you wished to have an intelligent discussion then perhaps cutting down on the insults and taunts would be a good first step? The explosive resistance is working just fine, however the REs damage is made to destroy tanks as well as infantry, that small percentage won't save you unless you've the most tanked suit possible. I never said that basic REs are 'fine' I'm simply saying that no infantry should survive being caught in the blast, and that they are a counter to the heavy class. Oh and by the way I tend to use PROTOTYPE REs, not basic, on a PROTOTYPE suit that is far more expensive then my own proto heavy, and saying that the scout suits are 'better' is objective. Once again if you wish to have an intelligent discussion then cut back on the insults, the only one who seems to have an ego here is yourself. Wow my everyday scout outfit cost 180-210k isk ( yeah proto and I run just that 90% of the time I play ) And yeah standard RE on al of them. Al this QQ about how expensive the fatties are makes me belive they cost 500k isk a pop or something I get INSTA killed by a standard fatty that cost 10k if I run strait at him. But if I take my 200k suit flank him ( in the open ) drop a RE move back then hit the boom bottom.... And he still stands there as a statue he deserve to die period. You fatties are nothing more than a scrubs when you are saying " if I tank my self nothing should insta kill me" I am fine with that if the fat suit was the most expensive one.... No it's the cheapest one so STF until then. And a good heavy don't get killed buy RE, he waste any scout well before that. I don't know how many times I have baited a bunch of fatties buy just spraying at them real quick, run around a corner put down a remote, the stampede of bulls comes round the corner BOOM. Idiots it's al the time like that. But hey it's okey if you want to take away any slim awareness from heavyset and just be a charging horde of dumb fucks running with no self preservation go bro just go. War never changes
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 531	Posted - 2014.06.11 12:01:00 - [44] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: IVIaster LUKE wrote: Awareness is a hellava thing. This guy. This guy is one of the ones who's killed my full proto heavy with a BASIC REMOTE. Bahahahahaha sweet, sweet revenge Wasn't me. Sorry, Love....but I use the "SKINJUICE" remotes. Never basic. No need to nerf RE's just because I detonated your Heavy Sentinel's @ss CCP Rattati. HTFU
Apothecary Za'ki Biomass Positive 38	Posted - 2014.06.11 14:27:00 - [45] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: The New Numbers look much better, Sir. Thank you for hearing us out. o7 Strongly opposed to the proposed RE nerfs. * When we said "delaying activation time" would deter frisbees, we meant +0.5 sec (not +100%). * REs are infantry's best AV option; damage reduction will interfere greatly with this function. * REs are a Scout's best friend; the MinScout is already PG-starved and hurting; we're twisting the knife. I suggest delaying the proposed RE changes until (1) AV is squared away (2) we've helped out the MinScout and (3) we've had a chance to form/debate a counter-proposal. Tentative RE Counter Proposal Type, Blast_Radius, Damage, Activation STD, 5 meters, 1500, 3.0 seconds ADV, 5 meters, 1500, 2.5 seconds PRO, 2.5 meters, 2000, 2.0 seconds The above proposal is tentative; my intent is as follows ... - STD REs hold constant except for a slightly longer activation time (+0.5 seconds). - ADV REs (in line with in-game description) feature a slightly faster arming sequence than STD. - PRO REs will be the go-to tank buster; 25% more damage exchanged for 50% less blast radius. - All other stats held constant. Bravo is looking good. but i want to see the changed to the other 3 assault suits.. and If there is any; the changes to logi suits Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone? No Mic and no time for "Squeekers" Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2318	Posted - 2014.06.11 14:37:00 - [46] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Modified Proposal Changing the damage profile, Increasing proto damage, pulling PG changes, reducing activation length a little less. These should encourage high end AV tankhunters to keep using RE's and reduce the frisbees a little. Looking forward to seeing these changes go live and testing them out under battlefield conditions. Thank you for your continued engagement with the community and our feedback o7 This seems like a solid starting point from where, if needed after a few weeks of data collection, minor adjustments could be made to further tune the RE. (which is not to say that will be required, simply that this is a good place to work from going forward ). I have some other, related, feedback but it is honestly outside the scope of this thread so I'll post it else where. Again, thanks for the continued communication. 0.02 ISK Cross Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 875	Posted - 2014.06.11 20:07:00 - [47] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: XD Any chance you can buff blue berry situational awareness instead? - XD PS4 psn = J0LLYxR0G3R Underscore before and after the x
RedPencil DUST University Ivy League 10	Posted - 2014.06.11 21:17:00 - [48] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: And a good heavy don't get killed buy RE, he waste any scout well before that. Idiots it's al the time like that. But hey it's okey if you want to take away any slim awareness from heavyset and just be a charging horde of dumb fucks running with no self preservation go bro just go. This is it!
RedPencil DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2014.06.12 01:27:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Modified Proposal Changing the damage profile, Increasing proto damage, pulling PG changes, reducing activation length a little less. These should encourage high end AV tankhunters to keep using RE's and reduce the frisbees a little. Would you please consider low down the active time a little bit more? The arm time already got nurf once. If your aim is to give more time for mer to run away from RE, 4 sec is too much even for heavy, and they won't run but spray a bullet to kill you instate. I think 3 - 3.5 sec for standard is a better number. They will have to choose to fight or run. Right now proto heavy with 2 focus rep is fearless. at least make them to be aware a little bit.
XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1448	Posted - 2014.06.12 01:45:00 - [50] - Quote How would people feel about changing the blast radius of the remotes per tier? The damage is now the same so they have the same effect on vehicles but I don't see why they should have the same splash radius per tier. I suggest going going 2/4/6 respectively so proto would be a lot more usefull to use tactically speaking while still keeping the ADV variant at current usefullness (slightly reduced). Just an idea what do you guys think?? Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1704	Posted - 2014.06.12 02:23:00 - [51] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: How would people feel about changing the blast radius of the remotes per tier? The damage is now the same so they have the same effect on vehicles but I don't see why they should have the same splash radius per tier. I suggest going going 2/4/6 respectively so proto would be a lot more usefull to use tactically speaking while still keeping the ADV variant at current usefullness (slightly reduced). Just an idea what do you guys think?? We use REs to rig Objectives, hallways and choke points. The larger the blast radius, the better the trap. If we ever rollout a high-damage AV "charge", then yes. Otherwise, I see no reason to shrink blast radius. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1449	Posted - 2014.06.12 02:42:00 - [52] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: How would people feel about changing the blast radius of the remotes per tier? The damage is now the same so they have the same effect on vehicles but I don't see why they should have the same splash radius per tier. I suggest going going 2/4/6 respectively so proto would be a lot more usefull to use tactically speaking while still keeping the ADV variant at current usefullness (slightly reduced). Just an idea what do you guys think?? If you don't mind my asking, why? We use REs to rig Objectives, hallways and choke points. The larger the blast radius, the better the trap. If the Devs ever rollout a high-damage AV "charge" variant, then yes. Otherwise, shrinking blast radius will only make for less effective traps. Rattati's enacting changes to do away with frisbee / grenade usage. As far as I know, he is OK with us setting traps and luring enemies into them. effectiveness per tier is all. People using regular remotes to full effectiveness cause almost no incentive to use proto and adv. I know people and lots of them that only put 1 point into them and that's it because it's as effective. Having a large blast radius at proto means you can use less remotes while having more on reserve to use elsewhere. EDIT: Then again it's just an idea I threw out there. I also thought about 3/5/7 so at adv level you have exactly the same blast radius you have now while getting a 2 meter buff to proto which would create incentive Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1704	Posted - 2014.06.12 02:51:00 - [53] - Quote XxGhazbaranxX wrote: effectiveness per tier is all. People using regular remotes to full effectiveness cause almost no incentive to use proto and adv. I know people and lots of them that only put 1 point into them and that's it because it's as effective. Having a large blast radius at proto means you can use less remotes while having more on reserve to use elsewhere. Gotcha ... to incentive progression. Since we've already nerfed REs in a couple areas, why not meet that need to incentive by buffing blast radius!? 5 / 7 / 9 would be lovely :-) You think Heavies would go for it? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
RedPencil DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:06:00 - [54] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: effectiveness per tier is all. People using regular remotes to full effectiveness cause almost no incentive to use proto and adv. I know people and lots of them that only put 1 point into them and that's it because it's as effective. Having a large blast radius at proto means you can use less remotes while having more on reserve to use elsewhere. Gotcha ... to incentive progression. Since we've already nerfed REs in a couple areas, why not meet that need to incentive by buffing blast radius!? 5 / 7 / 9 would be lovely :-) You think Heavies would go for it? Looking for more QQ
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2325	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:15:00 - [55] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: XxGhazbaranxX wrote: effectiveness per tier is all. People using regular remotes to full effectiveness cause almost no incentive to use proto and adv. I know people and lots of them that only put 1 point into them and that's it because it's as effective. Having a large blast radius at proto means you can use less remotes while having more on reserve to use elsewhere. Gotcha ... to incentive progression. Since we've already nerfed REs in a couple areas, why not meet that need to incentive by buffing blast radius!? 5 / 7 / 9 would be lovely :-) You think Heavies would go for it? I don't main heavy, but I do have proto HMG and Forge on top of which as a dedicated support Logi I run with heavies consistently so I'll take a crack at this. Aside from this I believe seeing how the timers work before making too many alterations would be good for data gathering and iterative purposes. I'm in general support of an increased splash radius. Provided the timer change is functioning correctly (i.e. making anti-personnel RE use primarily tactical rather than heavily active/on the fly) keeping their utility high seems good for the game. While I'm not a fan of the current "run in, toss RE, "insta" trigger to clear out half a squad or more" use as it violates the role of locus nades (for starters) I firmly believe that a scout who's flanked or fortified a position and/or choke point should absolutely be able to take out the unwary who bull-rush that position (be it control panel, hallway, or other). And remember this is coming from the squishy guy carrying all the gear so this splash buff is undoubtedly going to cost me fits Cheers, Cross EDIT: A, possibly obvious, thought has just occurred to me. When we're talking about RE timers are we talking "time to trigger post deployment" or "time to detonate once triggered" . The former would be the better method IMO as it removes overly active uses while maintaining efficiency of tactical uses. The later (which I'm getting the sneaking suspicion is the actual method in question) is a much tighter prospect and cannot be extended as much without hampering the tactical uses of the RE. If it is indeed the latter method then I'll have to reconsider a few things because that is a much more substantial nerf than the former, for starters if the latter is actually the method I'd be in favor of seeing a splash radius buff up front as part of bravo. Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 1710	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:19:00 - [56] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: EDIT: A, possibly obvious, thought has just occurred to me. When we're talking about RE timers are we talking "time to trigger post deployment" or "time to detonate once triggered" . The former would be the better method IMO as it removes overly active uses while maintaining efficiency of tactical uses. The later (which I'm getting the sneaking suspicion is the actual method in question) is a much tighter prospect and cannot be extended as much without hampering the tactical uses of the RE. If it is indeed the latter method then I'll have to reconsider a few things because that is a much more substantial nerf than the former, for starters if the latter is actually the method I'd be in favor of seeing a splash radius buff up front as part of bravo. Surely they wouldn't ... Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Thang Bausch Pierrot Le Fou Industries 168	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:19:00 - [57] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Holy crap the PG scaling and doubling of the arm time. That's just what we neededGÇª and increase in PG cost for Minmatar tech so we can't even fit it on our suits Lets just widen that gap some more shall we? Not happy about these changesGÇª Arm time change sureGÇª at a moderate level PG increaseGÇª why? All this accomplishes is nerfing the ability to use them as AV for scouts (particularly Min scouts) which are best suited for laying them on HAVs to begin with. Yeah, some of the min suits need a serious PG increase. Just defies logic.
J0LLY R0G3R And the ButtPirates 886	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:35:00 - [58] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cross Atu wrote: EDIT: A, possibly obvious, thought has just occurred to me. When we're talking about RE timers are we talking "time to trigger post deployment" or "time to detonate once triggered" . The former would be the better method IMO as it removes overly active uses while maintaining efficiency of tactical uses. The later (which I'm getting the sneaking suspicion is the actual method in question) is a much tighter prospect and cannot be extended as much without hampering the tactical uses of the RE. If it is indeed the latter method then I'll have to reconsider a few things because that is a much more substantial nerf than the former, for starters if the latter is actually the method I'd be in favor of seeing a splash radius buff up front as part of bravo. Surely they wouldn't ... That'd be worse than the "add flashing lights and beeping sounds" suggestion. Ohhh instead of beeps, make this play. PS4 psn = J0LLYxR0G3R Underscore before and after the x
Cross Atu OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2326	Posted - 2014.06.12 03:36:00 - [59] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cross Atu wrote: EDIT: A, possibly obvious, thought has just occurred to me. When we're talking about RE timers are we talking "time to trigger post deployment" or "time to detonate once triggered" . The former would be the better method IMO as it removes overly active uses while maintaining efficiency of tactical uses. The later (which I'm getting the sneaking suspicion is the actual method in question) is a much tighter prospect and cannot be extended as much without hampering the tactical uses of the RE. If it is indeed the latter method then I'll have to reconsider a few things because that is a much more substantial nerf than the former, for starters if the latter is actually the method I'd be in favor of seeing a splash radius buff up front as part of bravo. Surely they wouldn't ... I hope not, the 'delay from trigger' method makes me cringe. Adipem Nothi wrote: That'd be worse than the "add flashing lights and beeping sounds" suggestion. ^This happened? ...I have no words Cross Atu for CPM1- An emergent candidate
jaksol JAK darnson Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.06.12 04:37:00 - [60] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I don't like very much those changes. In my opinion you should not be able to restock RE at all (like other equipments), but they should keep their damage value. They are a problem against infantry meanwhile they are perfectly balanced against vehicles. Why not just cut their range? With less range infantry would have the time to escape and RE would be still effective as AV, where you don't need range. RE are perfect as AV, because they require player skill, if they kill your vehicle it's your fault, i never get killed by RE when i'm in the open because i hear the sound and after the first, i'm already moving, the only time they can place 3 of them is when you make a wrong manouver or if you don't pay attention to the sounds. Hint: Instead of a nerf to the RE, we need a flux nade variant, with a large AoE and low damage on shield. i was playing against my corp leader today and as he was a heavy the only thing i cud use to kill him were REs but i didnt trow at feet and run i throu them and then waited for him to come around the corner and as such im fine with the nufs (even thou it removes my defence if they trap me in a room) "Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."



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