DUST Search - Legion and PC/KBM is not the future

Piraten Hovnoret wrote:

RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote:

If you was CCP and just spent millions on a game you scrapped and most of your dedicated player base was on PC and another game you was creating couldn't reach it potential on a console would you.....

A: Re create the game on a platform that has no constraints, where 98%+ of your player base is and you don't have to worry about the platforms life cycle within 8 years. Your top game is also on this platform and you want to link both your games together.

B: Re create the game on a platform where you have a tiny player base of players (most of whom hate you now anyway) and most new players won't even know of the game you are trying to link this game with. You have to use a 3rd party network that means you can't realistically link both games because updates, patches and hotfixes would take longer and this platform will be out of date within 8 years and is already out of date by your preferred platforms standard.

You actually belive al that nonsense ?

Al and I mean al that have any insight in gaming, are al saying PC and KBM are shrinking. You may not like this you may even say that PC are more mothern/better etc etc it does not matter. Fact : PC gaming market is smaler that console and now even FPS are smaler on PC.

THATS the hard fact. THATS what CCP turned there back to.
Of course the PC market is still big and have potential.

Have a look at the industry.
A decade ( give or take a few years ) ago the biggest game franchises was PC games.
Over the ps3 and Xbox 360 life time that have slowly shifted. Now the biggest games are console the most sales of games are also console. And that regardless of the fact that PC hardware are always going to have a edge over console.

To quote the link

"The point is that the players are dependent on the developers. If the developers start developing only for consoles or controllers, it won't matter how much you want to play with kb/mouse/PC... the games won't be there."

Any way I belive that was a good read withourt personal opinions of preference. It just list numbers and facts, you may not like those facts and numbers but they point towards somthing regardless of personal opinion.

Regards

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Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 622	Posted - 2014.06.10 08:59:00 - [1] - Quote Read this http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/sorry-to-say-it-but-keyboard-and-mouse-are-losing-the-fps-market/ But hey live in denial al you want it's okey. Troll way =ƒÿÄ War never changes
RogueTrooper 2000AD RoyaLBanKof 73	Posted - 2014.06.10 09:25:00 - [2] - Quote If you was CCP and just spent millions on a game you scrapped and most of your dedicated player base was on PC and another game you was creating couldn't reach it potential on a console would you..... A: Re create the game on a platform that has no constraints, where 98%+ of your player base is and you don't have to worry about the platforms life cycle within 8 years. Your top game is also on this platform and you want to link both your games together. B: Re create the game on a platform where you have a tiny player base of players (most of whom hate you now anyway) and most new players won't even know of the game you are trying to link this game with. You have to use a 3rd party network that means you can't realistically link both games because updates, patches and hotfixes would take longer and this platform will be out of date within 8 years and is already out of date by your preferred platforms standard. Service with a smile
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 623	Posted - 2014.06.10 09:53:00 - [3] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: If you was CCP and just spent millions on a game you scrapped and most of your dedicated player base was on PC and another game you was creating couldn't reach it potential on a console would you..... A: Re create the game on a platform that has no constraints, where 98%+ of your player base is and you don't have to worry about the platforms life cycle within 8 years. Your top game is also on this platform and you want to link both your games together. B: Re create the game on a platform where you have a tiny player base of players (most of whom hate you now anyway) and most new players won't even know of the game you are trying to link this game with. You have to use a 3rd party network that means you can't realistically link both games because updates, patches and hotfixes would take longer and this platform will be out of date within 8 years and is already out of date by your preferred platforms standard. You actually belive al that nonsense ? Al and I mean al that have any insight in gaming, are al saying PC and KBM are shrinking. You may not like this you may even say that PC are more mothern/better etc etc it does not matter. Fact : PC gaming market is smaler that console and now even FPS are smaler on PC. THATS the hard fact. THATS what CCP turned there back to. Of course the PC market is still big and have potential. Have a look at the industry. A decade ( give or take a few years ) ago the biggest game franchises was PC games. Over the ps3 and Xbox 360 life time that have slowly shifted. Now the biggest games are console the most sales of games are also console. And that regardless of the fact that PC hardware are always going to have a edge and be bette. To quote the link "The point is that the players are dependent on the developers. If the developers start developing only for consoles or controllers, it won't matter how much you want to play with kb/mouse/PC... the games won't be there." Any way I belive that was a good read withourt personal opinions of preference. It just list numbers and facts, you may not like those facts and numbers but they point towards somthing regardless personal opinion. Regards War never changes
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4388	Posted - 2014.06.10 09:56:00 - [4] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Read this http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/sorry-to-say-it-but-keyboard-and-mouse-are-losing-the-fps-market/ But hey live in denial al you want it's okey. Troll way =ƒÿÄ This was a bad article that used peak concurrent numbers on launch day for console games in direct comparison to average numbers on older PC games. It also attempts to combine total sales between all consoles as a singular figure for overcoming PC sales as a business argument, when the reality is that developing for each individual platform has its own development costs associated with it, thus negating that argument in its entirety. Developing for PC is cheaper and, assuming the numbers are correct, the return on PC would be greater for a lot of games. I'm all for putting Legion on console, but this article was crammed with bullshit.
Goro Scornshard DUST University Ivy League 108	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:08:00 - [5] - Quote If only there was some way to attach a controller to a computer...
BLOOD Ruler The Lionheart Coalition 338	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:13:00 - [6] - Quote Goro Scornshard wrote: If only there was some way to attach a controller to a computer... There is Feel my knives and the pain of the shotgun,while your flesh burns from my remotes.I am th assassin.
FraggerMike G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 234	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:18:00 - [7] - Quote There a numerous "DS3" style controllers that work quite well on a PC. AND, m/kb will never fade away. At least not until thought control is a reality. Director of G.R.A.V.E Battles on Youtube channel: G.R.A.V.E
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1486	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:18:00 - [8] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: If you was CCP and just spent millions on a game you scrapped and most of your dedicated player base was on PC and another game you was creating couldn't reach it potential on a console would you..... A: Re create the game on a platform that has no constraints, where 98%+ of your player base is and you don't have to worry about the platforms life cycle within 8 years. Your top game is also on this platform and you want to link both your games together. B: Re create the game on a platform where you have a tiny player base of players (most of whom hate you now anyway) and most new players won't even know of the game you are trying to link this game with. You have to use a 3rd party network that means you can't realistically link both games because updates, patches and hotfixes would take longer and this platform will be out of date within 8 years and is already out of date by your preferred platforms standard. this is pure uneducated nonsense... first of all, nothing was recreated, it is a new game that was done from scratch second, the reason why it was done for console in the beginning is because they wanted aquire new customers. third, the only constraint the ps3 has is developers lazyness. you can very well make the game what it was intended to be for the ps3, you could even make it for mobile phones if you wanted to. just because it wont look as good as on a pc does not mean it is not possible. fourth, the process of updating a game through sony takes about a week extra and this process does actually benefit the customer because sony will only let you update the game when the update is not messed up. you should actually be glad this process exists.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3444	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:18:00 - [9] - Quote Conclusions are drawn from the wrong data. At any given moment hundreds of thousands are playing LoL and DotA 2. Probably more than 1M. Why do they play games like these on PC? Because they don't exist on console. The markets reached by BF4 and CoD are pathetic, across all consoles collectively, compared to DotA or LoL even individually. The reason, then, that FPSes are a hit on console? They're the only game you can play. RPG, RTS, sim... The only genre I can think of that is better played on console is fighting games. That is literally it. ~ A Console Gamer BlowoutForCPM
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:19:00 - [10] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Read this http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/sorry-to-say-it-but-keyboard-and-mouse-are-losing-the-fps-market/ But hey live in denial al you want it's okey. Troll way =ƒÿÄ This was a bad article that used peak concurrent numbers on launch day for console games in direct comparison to average numbers on older PC games. It also attempts to combine total game sales between all consoles as a singular figure for overcoming PC sales as a business argument, when the reality is that developing for each individual platform has its own development costs associated with it, thus negating that argument in its entirety. Developing for PC is cheaper and, assuming the numbers are correct, the return on PC would be greater for a lot of games. I'm all for putting Legion on console (especially the PS4, as it is currently has a massive install base with no games to play on it), but this article was crammed with bullshit. So what's the truth are whatever out there ? That PC gaming is dominating the market? That the overall PC sales are increasing? That pure gaming PC rigs are also becoming more and more common? Idk about the states but in Sweden the last 5 years the decline of sales of PC and PC rigs have forced many pure PC stores out of business. And pure gaming stores sell more console products than PC products. This is stated by the Confederation of Swedish Enterprise in 2012. It may be other trends out there in other countries. I doubt that =ƒÿÄ War never changes

Haerr Legio DXIV 798	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:23:00 - [11] - Quote Oroa sig inte Piraten, jag kommer i alla fall att spela Legion n+ñr det sl+ñpps till datorn! :-)
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:28:00 - [12] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Conclusions are drawn from the wrong data. At any given moment hundreds of thousands are playing LoL and DotA 2. Probably more than 1M. Why do they play games like these on PC? Because they don't exist on console. The markets reached by BF4 and CoD are pathetic, across all consoles collectively, compared to DotA or LoL even individually. The reason, then, that FPSes are a hit on console? They're the only game you can play. RPG, RTS, sim... The only genre I can think of that is better played on console is fighting games. That is literally it. ~ A Console Gamer Read the link bro... Al of it I will qoute a part. ( again) for you. "I think some of the commenters who are using analogies like "Ferrari vs. Ford Focus" are missing a critical point: Of course there will always be people who have the budget and desire to play using kb/mouse on an expensive rig. But cars aren't a good analogy because the problem is the availability of the GAMES. It doesn't matter if you are willing to buy that PC and use it, if your market segment is so small that the developers abandon it. The car analogy would be if a Ferrari required special Ferrari fuel to run. If it did, guess what... the market for Ferrari's would pretty much vanish. The point is that the players are dependent on the developers. If the developers start developing only for consoles or controllers, it won't matter how much you want to play with kb/mouse/PC... the games won't be there." Kind of sums you post up? Maybe ! Almost ? lol War never changes
The Rainbow Affect The Rainbow Effect Dirt Nap Squad. 7	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:30:00 - [13] - Quote All I'd like to say is that I am so sick and tired of the PC masterrace claiming that Dust became a Garbage game due to the PS3's limitations, and not the BS job done developing Dust. There are countless PS3 games which run much better than Dust ever did.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.06.10 10:49:00 - [14] - Quote Haerr wrote: Oroa sig inte Piraten, jag kommer i alla fall att spela Legion n+ñr det sl+ñpps till datorn! :-) Om det sl+ñps till datorn =ƒÿé Inget fel i att gilla att spela spel p+Ñ en dator. Sj+ñlv kommer jag spela destiny p+Ñ min 128 tummare med fult bio ljud samt en f+Ñt+¦lj man kan d+¦ i. Har +¦l i kran i samma rum samt popcorn maskin...i samma rum Ja jag har en dator kopplat till allt som man bara kunde dr+¦mma om som grabb =ƒÿï Fast nu +ñr jag ute med min 64 princess.... Gotland n+ñsta =ƒÿå..., eller +àland Tut tut =ƒÜú PS har en ps3 i b+Ñten HAHAHA War never changes
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3445	Posted - 2014.06.10 11:06:00 - [15] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Conclusions are drawn from the wrong data. At any given moment hundreds of thousands are playing LoL and DotA 2. Probably more than 1M. Why do they play games like these on PC? Because they don't exist on console. The markets reached by BF4 and CoD are pathetic, across all consoles collectively, compared to DotA or LoL even individually. The reason, then, that FPSes are a hit on console? They're the only game you can play. RPG, RTS, sim... The only genre I can think of that is better played on console is fighting games. That is literally it. ~ A Console Gamer Read the link bro... Al of it I will qoute a part. ( again) for you. "I think some of the commenters who are using analogies like "Ferrari vs. Ford Focus" are missing a critical point: Of course there will always be people who have the budget and desire to play using kb/mouse on an expensive rig. But cars aren't a good analogy because the problem is the availability of the GAMES. It doesn't matter if you are willing to buy that PC and use it, if your market segment is so small that the developers abandon it. The car analogy would be if a Ferrari required special Ferrari fuel to run. If it did, guess what... the market for Ferrari's would pretty much vanish. The point is that the players are dependent on the developers. If the developers start developing only for consoles or controllers, it won't matter how much you want to play with kb/mouse/PC... the games won't be there." Kind of sums you post up? Maybe ! Almost ? lol It doesn't, and it won't. That argument kind of supports me more than you; that a game as old as TF2 is pulling numbers as large as the latest releases, or that CS is pulling 50k as we speak, and peaks at a truly massive 150k tells me something very different. The previous generation of consoles was, by he end of their lifespan, holding back innovation in gaming in general, simply because of their vast technological inferiority. The Xbox One can't run BF4 at 1080p. PCs are moving into 4K. Once again, consoles are going to force slower advancement, and when they do, PCs are going to pick up the slack. A workmate of mine asked me today why I wanted to build a PC when I have a PS4. To that I responded 'well, you can't really use a PS4 as a word processor'. This is true today, it'll be true when Legion is released and it'll be true for the foreseeable future. PCs are just more versatile, have a wider variety of games available and have a more reliable customer base (I mean, CS is TEN YEARS OLD!). EDIT: I just checked. Turns out CS is going on 15 this year. BlowoutForCPM
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3445	Posted - 2014.06.10 11:12:00 - [16] - Quote The Rainbow Affect wrote: All I'd like to say is that I am so sick and tired of the PC masterrace claiming that Dust became a Garbage game due to the PS3's limitations, and not the BS job done developing Dust. There are countless PS3 games which run much better than Dust ever did. DUST has a lot of backend stuff going on, from my understanding, and is a much more complicated game than, say, BF3 (which is probably the most comparable game in a lot of senses). Being new to coding for PS3 (which is a truly appalling console to code for, for the record, and any suggesting that it is in any way as straightforward as coding for Xbox, let alone PC is dishonest at best) doesn't help. BlowoutForCPM
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.06.10 11:36:00 - [17] - Quote More complicated than BF3? Dude I don't know if you are trolling or serious? It does not matter really, it's hilarious to have ppl pulling out statements like that like a rabbit out of a hat. This is not about if PC a better platform or not than a console. Lets once and for just make it clear PC will always be better than console hardware wise, it always has and will always be that. But still the PC market is in decline and console is growing it's just a fact. You may putt your bet on that PC will make a big return or something, but nothing and I mean nothing is showing that regardless if some games are bigger on this or that platform, the overall tendency in the industry is pretty clear. This is not saying that PC games will go away any time soon or even at al, however just stating that "PC is the better market and has more potential" ( or similar ) are to be TOTALY blind on what's going on. Legion may be a huge PC success, it might even become the game of the year. But regardless I believe ( personal opinion now ) if it does that it will be remembered as one of the last AWSOME games on PC. Oh and you may disagree it's okey =ƒÿé War never changes
RogueTrooper 2000AD RoyaLBanKof 77	Posted - 2014.06.10 11:57:00 - [18] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: If you was CCP and just spent millions on a game you scrapped and most of your dedicated player base was on PC and another game you was creating couldn't reach it potential on a console would you..... A: Re create the game on a platform that has no constraints, where 98%+ of your player base is and you don't have to worry about the platforms life cycle within 8 years. Your top game is also on this platform and you want to link both your games together. B: Re create the game on a platform where you have a tiny player base of players (most of whom hate you now anyway) and most new players won't even know of the game you are trying to link this game with. You have to use a 3rd party network that means you can't realistically link both games because updates, patches and hotfixes would take longer and this platform will be out of date within 8 years and is already out of date by your preferred platforms standard. You actually belive al that nonsense ? Al and I mean al that have any insight in gaming, are al saying PC and KBM are shrinking. You may not like this you may even say that PC are more mothern/better etc etc it does not matter. Fact : PC gaming market is smaler that console and now even FPS are smaler on PC. THATS the hard fact. THATS what CCP turned there back to. Of course the PC market is still big and have potential. Have a look at the industry. A decade ( give or take a few years ) ago the biggest game franchises was PC games. Over the ps3 and Xbox 360 life time that have slowly shifted. Now the biggest games are console the most sales of games are also console. And that regardless of the fact that PC hardware are always going to have a edge over console. To quote the link "The point is that the players are dependent on the developers. If the developers start developing only for consoles or controllers, it won't matter how much you want to play with kb/mouse/PC... the games won't be there." Any way I belive that was a good read withourt personal opinions of preference. It just list numbers and facts, you may not like those facts and numbers but they point towards somthing regardless of personal opinion. Regards Nonsense?. It made 100% sense. Do you even target market?. This is grade 9 stuff and the way CCP has been behaving, they need to play it safe also. Service with a smile
RogueTrooper 2000AD RoyaLBanKof 77	Posted - 2014.06.10 12:01:00 - [19] - Quote Op is dumb and trolling or just dumb. Service with a smile
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 302	Posted - 2014.06.10 12:04:00 - [20] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: If you was CCP and just spent millions on a game you scrapped and most of your dedicated player base was on PC and another game you was creating couldn't reach it potential on a console would you..... A: Re create the game on a platform that has no constraints, where 98%+ of your player base is and you don't have to worry about the platforms life cycle within 8 years. Your top game is also on this platform and you want to link both your games together. B: Re create the game on a platform where you have a tiny player base of players (most of whom hate you now anyway) and most new players won't even know of the game you are trying to link this game with. You have to use a 3rd party network that means you can't realistically link both games because updates, patches and hotfixes would take longer and this platform will be out of date within 8 years and is already out of date by your preferred platforms standard. Oh oh I know, pick me, it option.....wait.....That was rhetorical wasn't it... you almost had me there. Not new, just new to you.

IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 455	Posted - 2014.06.10 12:07:00 - [21] - Quote SteamOS bizatches You must learn honor, or you deserve to learn nothing at all. ~ Rivvy Dinari - Swordmaster of Ginaz
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 626	Posted - 2014.06.10 12:12:00 - [22] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Op is dumb and trolling or just dumb. Maybe a bit of both Al I can do when my argument don't stick is to flame and cal my adversary dumb. Oh wait... I did not do that =ƒÿÄ War never changes
Haerr Legio DXIV 801	Posted - 2014.06.10 12:19:00 - [23] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Haerr wrote: Oroa sig inte Piraten, jag kommer i alla fall att spela Legion n+ñr det sl+ñpps till datorn! :-) Om det sl+ñps till datorn =ƒÿé Det +ñr ju fortfarande tveksamt... Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Inget fel i att gilla att spela spel p+Ñ en dator. Inget fel p+Ñ gilla att spela p+Ñ konsoler heller! Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Sj+ñlv kommer jag spela destiny p+Ñ min 128 tummare med fult bio ljud samt en f+Ñt+¦lj man kan d+¦ i. Har +¦l i kran i samma rum samt popcorn maskin...i samma rum Ja jag har en dator kopplat till allt som man bara kunde dr+¦mma om som grabb =ƒÿï Fast nu +ñr jag ute med min 64 princess.... Gotland n+ñsta =ƒÿå..., eller +àland Tut tut =ƒÜú PS har en ps3 i b+Ñten HAHAHA G+¦tt! Ha det s+Ñ trevligt!
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 188	Posted - 2014.06.10 12:20:00 - [24] - Quote just cause something is mediocre enough to have mass market application does not make it a superior platform. Kbm is the standard of excellence. Controller is the outreach to the unsophisticated or inexperienced. Thats why every console FPS is pared with aim assist. Its meant to take the thinking power out of something and dumb it down to shapes and color coded buttons. You know, I see more Toyota Corolla than BMW M3s around. Does that mean the Toyota is a superior car? No, it just means its a simpler, cheaper car for a simpler, cheaper market base.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 626	Posted - 2014.06.10 12:32:00 - [25] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: just cause something is mediocre enough to have mass market application does not make it a superior platform. Kbm is the standard of excellence. Controller is the outreach to the unsophisticated or inexperienced. Thats why every console FPS is pared with aim assist. Its meant to take the thinking power out of something and dumb it down to shapes and color coded buttons. You know, I see more Toyota Corolla than BMW M3s around. Does that mean the Toyota is a superior car? No, it just means its a simpler, cheaper car for a simpler, cheaper market base. Yeah but to state "because you are cheaper I am better and you don't matter" does not really work either does it? My self I drive a Toyota, no I mean a extremely expensive Lexus. Buy the way are not Toyota bigger and have a bigger profit then BMW ? =ƒÿï ( did not look into that so I may be wrong ) I apologise my intention was not to troll you bro. Ps wife drives a BMW m3 =ƒÿÄ War never changes
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1969	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:00:00 - [26] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Read this http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/02/sorry-to-say-it-but-keyboard-and-mouse-are-losing-the-fps-market/ But hey live in denial al you want it's okey. Troll way =ƒÿÄ the worst part is that ccp thinks they'll have more players if they move to pc. nevermind that they have no intention of moving this to the pc. the fps portion of ccp is being cancelled. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1969	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:04:00 - [27] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: just cause something is mediocre enough to have mass market application does not make it a superior platform. Kbm is the standard of excellence. Controller is the outreach to the unsophisticated or inexperienced. Thats why every console FPS is pared with aim assist. Its meant to take the thinking power out of something and dumb it down to shapes and color coded buttons. You know, I see more Toyota Corolla than BMW M3s around. Does that mean the Toyota is a superior car? No, it just means its a simpler, cheaper car for a simpler, cheaper market base. this guy is living in the 90's. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1969	Posted - 2014.06.10 14:12:00 - [28] - Quote Piraten Hovnoret wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Conclusions are drawn from the wrong data. At any given moment hundreds of thousands are playing LoL and DotA 2. Probably more than 1M. Why do they play games like these on PC? Because they don't exist on console. The markets reached by BF4 and CoD are pathetic, across all consoles collectively, compared to DotA or LoL even individually. The reason, then, that FPSes are a hit on console? They're the only game you can play. RPG, RTS, sim... The only genre I can think of that is better played on console is fighting games. That is literally it. ~ A Console Gamer Read the link bro... Al of it I will qoute a part. ( again) for you. "I think some of the commenters who are using analogies like "Ferrari vs. Ford Focus" are missing a critical point: Of course there will always be people who have the budget and desire to play using kb/mouse on an expensive rig. But cars aren't a good analogy because the problem is the availability of the GAMES. It doesn't matter if you are willing to buy that PC and use it, if your market segment is so small that the developers abandon it. The car analogy would be if a Ferrari required special Ferrari fuel to run. If it did, guess what... the market for Ferrari's would pretty much vanish. The point is that the players are dependent on the developers. If the developers start developing only for consoles or controllers, it won't matter how much you want to play with kb/mouse/PC... the games won't be there." Kind of sums you post up? Maybe ! Almost ? lol i lol'd. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA The DOT MAFIA 17	Posted - 2014.06.10 16:48:00 - [29] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Conclusions are drawn from the wrong data. At any given moment hundreds of thousands are playing LoL and DotA 2. Probably more than 1M. Why do they play games like these on PC? Because they don't exist on console. The markets reached by BF4 and CoD are pathetic, across all consoles collectively, compared to DotA or LoL even individually. The reason, then, that FPSes are a hit on console? They're the only game you can play. RPG, RTS, sim... The only genre I can think of that is better played on console is fighting games. That is literally it. ~ A Console Gamer This is the stupidest, idiotic, illogical post I have ever read in my 20 plus years of playing gun games...fact check Pinnochio lvl 5!
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3044	Posted - 2014.06.10 17:29:00 - [30] - Quote Pretty bad article tbh. PCs have not always been more powerful at video gaming than consoles. In the PS2/3 era, the direct-to-metal API made consoles the superior gaming platform for a long time. In fact, its only recently that the console market has stagnated (the PS3 to PS4 being the smallest hardware jump yet) and the PC market has continued to grow (in terms of hardware potential). For anything you can comfortably play on a console its not a surprise that it has more players. There have been more people who game on consoles than on PCs for a long time. However, to say the PC market is in decline is uninformed at best. The prefabricated PC market has lost to laptops and tablets, but those were overpriced POS boxes anyways. Most data indicates that the PC gaming market has been growing for the last 2 years or so. Its a hard metric to nail down because most people build their gaming PCs nowadays, To say that PC gaming is dying is just foolish.



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