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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.09 22:56:00 -
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Thats right. Read the title i think this is long overdue. I suggest a huge radius buff and a 50hp or more damage buff. Ill check the stats and write a more detailed suggestion.
Please put your suggestions.
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.10 00:50:00 -
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25% buff to all damage
2.5 m blast radius as base for all tiers
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.06.10 01:27:00 -
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:25% buff to all damage
2.5 m blast radius as base for all tiers
HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THATS LIKE REVERSING THE NERF TO THE FLAYLOCK AND THEN BUFFING THE OLD FLAYLOCK ARE YOU INSANE?
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.10 02:33:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote:25% buff to all damage
2.5 m blast radius as base for all tiers HELLLLLLL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THATS LIKE REVERSING THE NERF TO THE FLAYLOCK AND THEN BUFFING THE OLD FLAYLOCK ARE YOU INSANE?
yes.
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.10 02:34:00 -
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it'd almost be like asking for a buff to gallente frames and the AR 
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Ghost Kaisar
The Last of DusT.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.10 05:31:00 -
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Buff Splash to 1.5 , 1.75, 2.0
Buff Direct Damage to 250, 275, 300
Buff Splash to 150, 175, 200
Never ever touch the ROF. NEVER AGAIN.
Apart from that, these changes will suffice. Splash makes it a bit easier to use, but the real buff is in direct damage.
With Explosive damage buff and proficiency, you can deal ~405 damage a shot to armor. Enough to make any Armor tanker rue the day he met you.
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.10 12:34:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Buff Splash to 1.5 , 1.75, 2.0
Buff Direct Damage to 250, 275, 300
Buff Splash to 150, 175, 200
Never ever touch the ROF. NEVER AGAIN.
Apart from that, these changes will suffice. Splash makes it a bit easier to use, but the real buff is in direct damage.
With Explosive damage buff and proficiency, you can deal ~405 damage a shot to armor. Enough to make any Armor tanker rue the day he met you.
Yeah i agree with you but I think it should have a 2-3m splash radius and the damage you showed. maybe a little more for splash.
These numbers might be higher than the original flay lock but i dunno.
2.5m splash radius.
150, 200, 250 splash damage.
250, 300, 350 direct damage.
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Denchlad 7
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.10 12:49:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Buff Splash to 1.5 , 1.75, 2.0
Buff Direct Damage to 250, 275, 300
Buff Splash to 150, 175, 200
Never ever touch the ROF. NEVER AGAIN.
Apart from that, these changes will suffice. Splash makes it a bit easier to use, but the real buff is in direct damage.
With Explosive damage buff and proficiency, you can deal ~405 damage a shot to armor. Enough to make any Armor tanker rue the day he met you.
That would be adequate.
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Ghost Kaisar
The Last of DusT.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:16:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Buff Splash to 1.5 , 1.75, 2.0
Buff Direct Damage to 250, 275, 300
Buff Splash to 150, 175, 200
Never ever touch the ROF. NEVER AGAIN.
Apart from that, these changes will suffice. Splash makes it a bit easier to use, but the real buff is in direct damage.
With Explosive damage buff and proficiency, you can deal ~405 damage a shot to armor. Enough to make any Armor tanker rue the day he met you. Yeah i agree with you but I think it should have a 2-3m splash radius and the damage you showed. maybe a little more for splash. These numbers might be higher than the original flay lock but i dunno. 2.5m splash radius. 150, 200, 250 splash damage. 250, 300, 350 direct damage.
You HAVE to make sure that splash is kept low. If you don't it just gets spammed.
200 is perfect, it means that to kill the average dropsuit, you have to land three splash shots, which is the full clip.
But the real POWER of the flaylock needs to be in direct hits. I actually like the higher numbers you have posted.
If people start complaining about how these "Direct Shots" are OP, I might quit Dust. Direct shots are insanely hard to pull of at ANY distance.
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.10 21:05:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Buff Splash to 1.5 , 1.75, 2.0
Buff Direct Damage to 250, 275, 300
Buff Splash to 150, 175, 200
Never ever touch the ROF. NEVER AGAIN.
Apart from that, these changes will suffice. Splash makes it a bit easier to use, but the real buff is in direct damage.
With Explosive damage buff and proficiency, you can deal ~405 damage a shot to armor. Enough to make any Armor tanker rue the day he met you. Yeah i agree with you but I think it should have a 2-3m splash radius and the damage you showed. maybe a little more for splash. These numbers might be higher than the original flay lock but i dunno. 2.5m splash radius. 150, 200, 250 splash damage. 250, 300, 350 direct damage. You HAVE to make sure that splash is kept low. If you don't it just gets spammed. 200 is perfect, it means that to kill the average dropsuit, you have to land three splash shots, which is the full clip. But the real POWER of the flaylock needs to be in direct hits. I actually like the higher numbers you have posted. If people start complaining about how these "Direct Shots" are OP, I might quit Dust. Direct shots are insanely hard to pull of at ANY distance.
Yes i just looked at the stats in game and I think 200 does fit, along with the 150,175,200 progression. I think the problem with the flay lock right now is the splash radius. With the controller, the flay lock is hard to aim at the feet with the tight 1.5m radius and the time it takes for the missile to travel could let the target run away and dodge the small radius. with a slight buff to splash and doubling the radius or just a little lower will make it much more viable. And the direct hit damage being way higher than splay still adds the need for skill that CCP wants this gun to have.
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GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.10 21:41:00 -
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Numbers so far:
Splash Radius 3m
Splash Damage 150, 175, 200
Direct damage 250, 300, 350
Ill look into and try out the other variants of the flay lock and purpose new numbers for them later
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GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.11 22:31:00 -
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Bump, Bump, can we get some conversation on the splash radius and some Dev thoughts???
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
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Posted - 2014.06.12 00:40:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:Numbers so far:
Splash Radius 3m
Splash Damage 150, 175, 200
Direct damage 250, 300, 350
Ill look into and try out the other variants of the flay lock and purpose new numbers for them later
seems about right
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:52:00 -
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so...anyone else?
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Fox Gaden
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.06.12 19:20:00 -
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Can you post the pre nerf number, the current numbers, and your proposed numbers for easy comparison?
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Boot Booter
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.12 19:36:00 -
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I provided a buff with spreadsheet included here
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
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Posted - 2014.06.12 20:11:00 -
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How about we turn it into a sidearm AV option (or create an AV variant at least)?
That would give the Flaylock a new lease of life and provide infantry with additional access to AV weaponry: it'd likely require multiple AV-Locks to kill a fully kitted out HAV, but it would be a way to apply additional damage without sacrificing infantry-on-infantry power. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.06.12 21:05:00 -
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Im thinking
1.5m/1.75m/2m splash
175/183.75/192.5 splash damage
250/262.5/275 direct damage
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.06.12 21:23:00 -
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I have no problem with it having massive direct hit damage. Buffing that loads would be the way to go.
Suggesting it should be more powerful on splash (and have a larger radius) than the old days is completely stupid, though. That was a time where people used the things as main weapons on logis in PC because they could just splat anyone with it while barely aiming.
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.12 22:10:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:How about we turn it into a sidearm AV option (or create an AV variant at least)?
That would give the Flaylock a new lease of life and provide infantry with additional access to AV weaponry: it'd likely require multiple AV-Locks to kill a fully kitted out HAV, but it would be a way to apply additional damage without sacrificing infantry-on-infantry power.
Its pretty good on vehicles already. Flux or plasma cannon a cal LAV and then Flay lock it up
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GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.12 22:12:00 -
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Anyone have the old flay lock numbers?
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GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.12 22:37:00 -
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Aha! i got some of the original numbers.
Based on these and my memories of back then I now suggest,
un-nerfing it and seeing how it works.
BUT I would not announce this. I would let the regular flay lock users (Like me) notice the difference.
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GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.13 00:32:00 -
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Any thoughts? Devs is a buff even a possibility?
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Xmar Handfelid
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:11:00 -
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the slash damage would have to be resonable.
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Boot Booter
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:14:00 -
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It might come in the next hotfix...hopefully.
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.14 13:55:00 -
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How about Dexters splash damage idea this my splash radius idea and high direct hit?
splash damage 175, 183.75, 192.5
splash radius 2.5m
direct damage 250, 300, 350
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Demon-Venom
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.14 14:52:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:Thats right. Read the title i think this is long overdue. I suggest a huge radius buff and a 50hp or more damage buff. Ill check the stats and write a more detailed suggestion.
Please put your suggestions.
No. This will cause chaos again do you know why they nerfed it?
It was the best sidearm it was too OP
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Egonz4
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Posted - 2014.06.14 20:41:00 -
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PLAYSTTION wrote:Thats right. Read the title i think this is long overdue. I suggest a huge radius buff and a 50hp or more damage buff. Ill check the stats and write a more detailed suggestion.
Please put your suggestions.
They do know it needs a buff.....but logibro said not in bravo....so hopefully in charlie or delta....keep our fingers crossed fellow flaylockers
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.15 13:36:00 -
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Demon-Venom wrote:PLAYSTTION wrote:Thats right. Read the title i think this is long overdue. I suggest a huge radius buff and a 50hp or more damage buff. Ill check the stats and write a more detailed suggestion.
Please put your suggestions. No. This will cause chaos again do you know why they nerfed it? It was the best sidearm it was too OP
It was only OP when everyone was using it in August
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GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.08.18 12:36:00 -
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bump
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