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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
1658
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:32:00 -
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Can a fellow scout give me some quick tips on survival? I now am killing just fine but I die too much. My best earlier was 16/7/5.
I run ADV g1 basic RR KLO SCP 1 basic plate 2 ADV RA 2 ADV PE
I'm remembering to strafe but I cant think of much else to keep me living. Greatly appreciated.
PSN Sil4nt Chaozz
Autistic Mechanic & Engineer, Matari in Dust & out
Scrambler Pistol and Scout Devotee
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
144
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:47:00 -
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I hate posters who brag on the forums and to that end I will preface by saying I am an OK player who enjoys running a scout.
My two cents in response to cutting down on your deaths is be more selective in the engagements you choose. Scouts are usually paper thin and you have to be realistic in the fights you choose.
It takes some discipline to pass up a target.
I believe a scout should play to it's strengths so I like your use of eWar mods but not the RR.
RR is a longer range weapon and I prefer to use my scout's speed and stealth to sneak up when possible on a target and attack closer and from behind, insuring I get the first shot to mitigate my lack of HP.
Use the scouts strengths to dictate the terms of the fight and your deaths will go down, but this takes discipline.
Dominion over others is given not taken. Nothing has power over you but your own fear.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
1658
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:52:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:I hate posters who brag on the forums and to that end I will preface by saying I am an OK player who enjoys running a scout.
My two cents in response to cutting down on your deaths is be more selective in the engagements you choose. Scouts are usually paper thin and you have to be realistic in the fights you choose.
It takes some discipline to pass up a target.
I believe a scout should play to it's strengths so I like your use of eWar mods but not the RR.
RR is a longer range weapon and I prefer to use my scout's speed and stealth to sneak up when possible on a target and attack closer and from behind, insuring I get the first shot to mitigate my lack of HP.
Use the scouts strengths to dictate the terms of the fight and your deaths will go down, but this takes discipline.
OK. Thanks. The RR is good in CQC but I usually use the SCP then. The obvious choice would be a shotgun but with hit detection.... no. SCP/SMG combo I guess.
You mean braggers like, 'Oh I go 40-0 every match' and stuff like that.
PSN Sil4nt Chaozz
Autistic Mechanic & Engineer, Matari in Dust & out
Scrambler Pistol and Scout Devotee
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Scheneighnay McBob
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
5198
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:53:00 -
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I'm wondering how in the **** you got 16 kills with a fit like that.
1. Never put a rail rifle on a scout. Doesn't need to be a shotgun, but it should be a high-alpha weapon, such as a scrambler rifle, plasma cannon, sniper rifle, or even a combat rifle. 2. If you need to strafe, you're doing it wrong- as a kill-focused (I'm assuming shocktroop) scout, you should be flanking and attacking from the rear, so that the enemy doesn't get a chance to shoot at you in the first place. 3. equipment helps, and it doesn't need to be a cloak. REs and nanohives could be a nice combo. 4. you seem to be fit for scanning, so you probably want a short-range weapon (disregard the sniper suggestion), and don't worry too much about precision enhancers. Damage mods are better.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
1658
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:56:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I'm wondering how in the **** you got 16 kills with a fit like that.
1. Never put a rail rifle on a scout. Doesn't need to be a shotgun, but it should be a high-alpha weapon, such as a scrambler rifle, plasma cannon, sniper rifle, or even a combat rifle. 2. If you need to strafe, you're doing it wrong- as a kill-focused (I'm assuming shocktroop) scout, you should be flanking and attacking from the rear, so that the enemy doesn't get a chance to shoot at you in the first place. 3. equipment helps, and it doesn't need to be a cloak. REs and nanohives could be a nice combo.
I have no idea what RAs and PEs are.
Range amplifiers and precision enhancers. I don't use the cloak that much. I already have REs so I'll put a nano on instead.
PSN Sil4nt Chaozz
Autistic Mechanic & Engineer, Matari in Dust & out
Scrambler Pistol and Scout Devotee
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
9265
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Posted - 2014.06.09 17:58:00 -
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After each kill jump backwards into cover, as it throws off enemies who are near the target you just killed, which can save your life depending on the circumstances.
Also, be patient. Don't rush in without planning an escape route simply because you know you can get the kill, as a nearby enemy will most likely kill you immediately after.
Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.
I've run out of stuff to spec into :(
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
1658
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:01:00 -
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Atiim wrote:After each kill jump backwards into cover, as it throws off enemies who are near the target you just killed, which can save your life depending on the circumstances.
Also, be patient. Don't rush in without planning an escape route simply because you know you can get the kill, as a nearby enemy will most likely kill you immediately after.
Lol yup. Done that when I get kill hungry then die immediately after I get the kill. Thanks.
PSN Sil4nt Chaozz
Autistic Mechanic & Engineer, Matari in Dust & out
Scrambler Pistol and Scout Devotee
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Slim Winning
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:13:00 -
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This game requires 0 tips or skill. It was made to cater to scrubs. Have no gungame in an FPS? Be a heavy. Still have no game game in this FPS? Be a heavy with a rail rifle standing 50m+ back and allow aim assist to do the work for you.
Want speed, health, and re-gen ability, topped with stealth? Be a scout. Still can't muster any gungame? Chuck a Core Locus Grenade...
Can't do anything in this game? Be a tank. Can't fight other tanks? Be an ADS pilot.
Remember, the more sh*tty your connection to the server, the better you will do.
1. Pubs don't matter 2. Asault suits and logi suits don't matter 3. LAVs don't matter 4. Ion, Bolt, and Sc pistols don't matter 5. What the community wants doesn't matter 6. Unless its chasing FoTM, nothing in this game matters
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
147
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:14:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I'm wondering how in the **** you got 16 kills with a fit like that.
1. Never put a rail rifle on a scout. Doesn't need to be a shotgun, but it should be a high-alpha weapon, such as a scrambler rifle, plasma cannon, sniper rifle, or even a combat rifle. 2. If you need to strafe, you're doing it wrong- as a kill-focused (I'm assuming shocktroop) scout, you should be flanking and attacking from the rear, so that the enemy doesn't get a chance to shoot at you in the first place. 3. equipment helps, and it doesn't need to be a cloak. REs and nanohives could be a nice combo.
I have no idea what RAs and PEs are. Range amplifiers and precision enhancers. I don't use the cloak that much. I already have REs so I'll put a nano on instead. So switch out RR for SCR or CR. I flank poorly, obviously cause I need to strafe far too often. I don't know about damage mods, I work better with my passives.
I agree with the replies but strafing is going to be a necessary skill to improve because try as you might the truth is you are going to find yourself in situations that didn't go the way you would like and you are going to be in a gun fight.
Scouts can strafe better than other suits so again play to this strength by learning to strafe well. Personally, I like a SMG for this purpose.
As for equipment, RE's should be a requirement for scouts. A scout when not killing should be flying around the battlefield planting RE's on Null cannons in skirmish while hacking. They are also great for taking out fatties who chase scouts around corners (again use that speed).
I prefer drop uplinks instead of nanohives. Nano's are better for a stationary player and you should be always ZOOMING. Drop uplinks get you great WP's, help the team, and fit the scouts role nicely as you move around the map dropping them.
Oh, and I wasn't saying the OP was bragging, but rather that I wasn't claiming to know everything. Just opinions from my own experiences.
Dominion over others is given not taken. Nothing has power over you but your own fear.
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Eruditus 920
Prodigy Ops
148
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:22:00 -
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Slim Winning wrote:This game requires 0 tips or skill. It was made to cater to scrubs. Have no gungame in an FPS? Be a heavy. Still have no game game in this FPS? Be a heavy with a rail rifle standing 50m+ back and allow aim assist to do the work for you.
Want speed, health, and re-gen ability, topped with stealth? Be a scout. Still can't muster any gungame? Chuck a Core Locus Grenade...
Can't do anything in this game? Be a tank. Can't fight other tanks? Be an ADS pilot.
Remember, the more sh*tty your connection to the server, the better you will do.
1. Pubs don't matter 2. Asault suits and logi suits don't matter 3. LAVs don't matter 4. Ion, Bolt, and Sc pistols don't matter 5. What the community wants doesn't matter 6. Unless its chasing FoTM, nothing in this game matters
No one enjoys this negative crap. Some of us enjoy the game even with it's myriad flaws.
Posts like this don't make you sound smart or edgy. You are trying to be a contrarian so you can feel superior.
In reality, it only makes you seem like a hypocrite because you are making these comments on the very game's forums that you claim to despise.
If you feel that way, why are you here trying to bring other's down? Just leave.
Dominion over others is given not taken. Nothing has power over you but your own fear.
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
493
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:46:00 -
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Slim Winning wrote:This game requires 0 tips or skill. It was made to cater to scrubs. Have no gungame in an FPS? Be a heavy. Still have no game game in this FPS? Be a heavy with a rail rifle standing 50m+ back and allow aim assist to do the work for you.
Want speed, health, and re-gen ability, topped with stealth? Be a scout. Still can't muster any gungame? Chuck a Core Locus Grenade...
Can't do anything in this game? Be a tank. Can't fight other tanks? Be an ADS pilot.
Remember, the more sh*tty your connection to the server, the better you will do.
1. Pubs don't matter 2. Asault suits and logi suits don't matter 3. LAVs don't matter 4. Ion, Bolt, and Sc pistols don't matter 5. What the community wants doesn't matter 6. Unless its chasing FoTM, nothing in this game matters
Except my Galmando with shotty/PLC and AR
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
493
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:49:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I'm wondering how in the **** you got 16 kills with a fit like that.
1. Never put a rail rifle on a scout. Doesn't need to be a shotgun, but it should be a high-alpha weapon, such as a scrambler rifle, plasma cannon, sniper rifle, or even a combat rifle. 2. If you need to strafe, you're doing it wrong- as a kill-focused (I'm assuming shocktroop) scout, you should be flanking and attacking from the rear, so that the enemy doesn't get a chance to shoot at you in the first place. 3. equipment helps, and it doesn't need to be a cloak. REs and nanohives could be a nice combo.
I have no idea what RAs and PEs are. Range amplifiers and precision enhancers. I don't use the cloak that much. I already have REs so I'll put a nano on instead. So switch out RR for SCR or CR. I flank poorly, obviously cause I need to strafe far too often. I don't know about damage mods, I work better with my passives. I agree with the replies but strafing is going to be a necessary skill to improve because try as you might the truth is you are going to find yourself in situations that didn't go the way you would like and you are going to be in a gun fight. Scouts can strafe better than other suits so again play to this strength by learning to strafe well. Personally, I like a SMG for this purpose. As for equipment, RE's should be a requirement for scouts. A scout when not killing should be flying around the battlefield planting RE's on Null cannons in skirmish while hacking. They are also great for taking out fatties who chase scouts around corners (again use that speed). I prefer drop uplinks instead of nanohives. Nano's are better for a stationary player and you should be always ZOOMING. Drop uplinks get you great WP's, help the team, and fit the scouts role nicely as you move around the map dropping them. Oh, and I wasn't saying the OP was bragging, but rather that I wasn't claiming to know everything. Just opinions from my own experiences. I don't know... this doesn't really fit his playstyle much.
@PARKOUR: I need a bit more info. Is the problem that you can't get out of the engagement fast enough or that you get killed right after an engagement?
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
493
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Posted - 2014.06.09 18:54:00 -
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My fit for you would be
G/1
Combat Rifle OR Scrambler Rifle, both are good in CQC SCP, as I remember you said your aim was improving
Precision enhancers
Plate Armor Rep Biotic mod
RE Nanohive
Any level you desire for anything, as long as it fits, it should be good
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
1661
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Posted - 2014.06.09 19:08:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:I'm wondering how in the **** you got 16 kills with a fit like that.
1. Never put a rail rifle on a scout. Doesn't need to be a shotgun, but it should be a high-alpha weapon, such as a scrambler rifle, plasma cannon, sniper rifle, or even a combat rifle. 2. If you need to strafe, you're doing it wrong- as a kill-focused (I'm assuming shocktroop) scout, you should be flanking and attacking from the rear, so that the enemy doesn't get a chance to shoot at you in the first place. 3. equipment helps, and it doesn't need to be a cloak. REs and nanohives could be a nice combo.
I have no idea what RAs and PEs are. Range amplifiers and precision enhancers. I don't use the cloak that much. I already have REs so I'll put a nano on instead. So switch out RR for SCR or CR. I flank poorly, obviously cause I need to strafe far too often. I don't know about damage mods, I work better with my passives. I agree with the replies but strafing is going to be a necessary skill to improve because try as you might the truth is you are going to find yourself in situations that didn't go the way you would like and you are going to be in a gun fight. Scouts can strafe better than other suits so again play to this strength by learning to strafe well. Personally, I like a SMG for this purpose. As for equipment, RE's should be a requirement for scouts. A scout when not killing should be flying around the battlefield planting RE's on Null cannons in skirmish while hacking. They are also great for taking out fatties who chase scouts around corners (again use that speed). I prefer drop uplinks instead of nanohives. Nano's are better for a stationary player and you should be always ZOOMING. Drop uplinks get you great WP's, help the team, and fit the scouts role nicely as you move around the map dropping them. Oh, and I wasn't saying the OP was bragging, but rather that I wasn't claiming to know everything. Just opinions from my own experiences. I don't know... this doesn't really fit his playstyle much. @PARKOUR: I need a bit more info. Is the problem that you can't get out of the engagement fast enough or that you get killed right after an engagement?
Both. I either get killed right after or I cant disengage.
PSN Sil4nt Chaozz
Autistic Mechanic & Engineer, Matari in Dust & out
Scrambler Pistol and Scout Devotee
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
493
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Posted - 2014.06.09 19:13:00 -
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Yeah, well then my fit stands.
Quafe
A question doesn't always have an answer, but a problem does,
So what is DUST? A problem or a question?
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Sergeant Sazu
SINISTER DEATH SQUAD
42
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Posted - 2014.06.09 19:18:00 -
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My advice:
Never use Armor Plates. Always Ferroscales or the Basic Reactive. Reducing your movement speed at all hinders your ability to strafe, and make it in time to that guy hacking your objective. Going anything less than maximum speed defeats one of the main purposes of a Scout.
A Gallente Scout with a Complex Shield Extender is extrememly durable and still quick to recover. 160 shield with 162+ armor backing you up is amazing. So even if it ends up as a gunfight instead of an assassination, you still have a good amount of health to see you through it.
The Scrambler Pistol/Submachine Gun combo works very well, but a Combat Rifle instead of the Submachine Gun would probably be better, I haven't tried it.
I laugh at those with Sergeant in their name.
They never spell it right.
[SDS CEO]
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Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood Dirt Nap Squad.
254
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Posted - 2014.06.09 19:36:00 -
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I would swap your RR out for a aCR whenever you are fighting in a compound. The RR is good out in the open, but suffers when you are up close. As a scout, your greatest strength is the ability to dictate the terms of an engagement. If your opponent is unaware of your presence, you need to be able to take them out before they are able to threaten you. Consider your ability to reach cover before opening fire and allow your opponent to disadvantage themselves if they are inclined to do so. If a fatty is about to cross some open ground in your optimal range, let him get away from cover before opening fire. In short, first ensure victory and then do battle.
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Izlare Lenix
Last VenDetta. Dark Taboo
684
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:56:00 -
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I run solo a lot and use an adv cal scout with CRW ScR most of the time.
With that combo I am a very efficient killer. I usually have lots of kills and few deaths. In fact I just set my new solo best a few days ago (43/2) with this suit and these tactics.
While my gun game and strafe ability plays a part in this, the biggest contributor is I am very smart with my engagements.
I will never ever attack a target from the front unless I have no choice.
I will always check my surroundings before attacking.
I will never stray far from cover.
I will never attack a group until I have observed them and decided who the weakest target is. I will then use hit and run tactics. Also, against a group I never stay still for long, as that gives them a chance to flank me.
I almost always avoid hmg heavies unless I have the range advantage.
I often disengage and run away from an enemy if I don't kill him fast enough. It's better to try again on your terms then to just stay there and die.
I often take uncommon routes when moving around the map.
Lastly, there are some times when I'm playing solo and the enemy team has a solid squad that is too good to attack alone. When that happens knowing where they are allows you to avoid them. There is no point throwing clones at them. Just hit other objectives. If they are sticking together, wherever they aren't will be weak and easy to attack.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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Sleepy Shadow
L.O.T.I.S.
184
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Posted - 2014.06.09 23:45:00 -
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I cannot give you advice on scouts as IGÇÖm not one. I do use the scout suit but I think mine are built a little different to yours.
Why am I here? Because IGÇÖm starting to get the feeling that IGÇÖm the only lunatic running around with armour repair modsGǪ how can you live without them? Most of my suits have twoGǪ I simply hate to wait for my armour, low as it may be, to come back.
For me the Gallente armour repair bonus is a fantastic addition, not a standalone feature. Taken from the OP, youGÇÖre running around with, give or take, 250 armour. So if youGÇÖre taken down to almost nothing, it takes you over 80 seconds to repair your armour back to full. I run around with 349 armour and it takes me 18 seconds to repair it all. Though thatGÇÖs a gk.0 with two repair mods but it allows me to recover fast and engage again almost immediately.
Consider dropping one of the range amplifiers for an armour repair mod. If not, at least carry Allotek/Wiyrkomi hives.
I have never proto stomped but now that DUST 514 is dead I can do it without remorse!! 247 million ISK to go.
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Soreconyr
Rise Of Old Dudes
31
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Posted - 2014.06.10 00:05:00 -
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Scouts and Logis worrying about dying is wrong. Just be prepared to die more efficiently. |
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Eko Sol
Strange Playings
463
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Posted - 2014.06.10 00:07:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Can a fellow scout give me some quick tips on survival? I now am killing just fine but I die too much. My best earlier was 16/7/5.
I run ADV g1 basic RR KLO SCP 1 basic plate 2 ADV RA 2 ADV PE
I'm remembering to strafe but I cant think of much else to keep me living. Greatly appreciated.
I run min scout so what I am about to tell you is vital since we are the weakest. Amarr is actually better because it has a stronger slot layout to be a balanced scout.
New fit for you:
ADV G1 ARR (higher DPS by far in comparison to the other RR and is cheaper fitting) Side arm of choice 1x complex dampener 1x Basic/enhanced Armor plate 1x basic/enhanced Kinkat OR Complex Dampener OR another Armor plate 2x basic/enhanced light damage mod No cloak: 2x compact hives (keep your armor up and ammo available) STD Flux
other tips:
1) Left to right or figure 8 movement when in a fire fight. 2) Don't shoot at anything unless you can take immediate cover. Sometimes hit detection screws you and you should have killed the guy but now you have to reload, he's at full health, and you have no cover 3) If alone, don't take on anything unless you point your weapon and read the HP it lists. Anything over about 600 you should leave alone. This keeps your kdr a lot less. 4) don't hack, always cover blueberries or someone else trying to hack unless you add a hack module. 5) If you can, don't be afraid to run with heavies and mediums as an "escort". Basically you can use them as protection and watch their 6 6) Don't enter corridors and don't peak in right through the door. Back up and look through the doorway from 30m or so back so you don't get insta beat by heavies or shotty's. 7) Always throw a flux in any place before you enter if you know they are grouped up in there. This is actually why I like the flaylock as a side arm. I can check for RE's far easier and don't waste a nade 8) If you go with 2 armor plates then know that you are slow and you should run more as an assault along side logi's and heavies. If you use the kinkat then you can move at almost 9m/s which is quite good and gives you room to get away losing fights 9) Don't use cloak unless you are proto in Gal Scout. You need the full bonus to cpu and pg for cloaks to be useful 10) You can run with an injector and hives as well if you want the extra points but I don't like being left for 3 seconds without protection. Can't trust blue berries 11) Again, I can't stress how important it is to not engage if there isn't some form of cover that you can take 12) Lose all of the ewar stuff. It's for losers. I'm serious. You don't and shouldn't need it if you r core is at 5 (which it needs to be). If you pay attention there isn't a whole lot that PE's can make up for. Just check 360 degrees relatively often and you'll see who you want/need to kill and whether someone is following you. 13) Remember that compact hives does both armor reps and ammo. But it will do your armor first before getting to ammo. You can only have one on the ground at at a time hence why I use 2.
Another fit you can use is a scout/logi fit. basically, completely brick tank out and put injector and rep tool and just run with other heavies.
Atiim wrote:After each kill jump backwards into cover, as it throws off enemies who are near the target you just killed, which can save your life depending on the circumstances.
Also, be patient. Don't rush in without planning an escape route simply because you know you can get the kill, as a nearby enemy will most likely kill you immediately after.
Atiim nailed it. Don't get greedy and go for more than one kill. get your kill and get out. If you are going to fire any additional ammo it should be to completely terminate the clone you just killed. If you are almost out of ammo clip and are 100% sure you will have to reload to get the kill then I always get away and reload and find another target.
PSN is "Ekopalm"
I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games
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Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p
363
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Posted - 2014.06.10 00:10:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Can a fellow scout give me some quick tips on survival? I now am killing just fine but I die too much. My best earlier was 16/7/5.
I run ADV g1 basic RR KLO SCP 1 basic plate 2 ADV RA 2 ADV PE
I'm remembering to strafe but I cant think of much else to keep me living. Greatly appreciated. Switch out a range for a damp, and remember which strafe to use in which situation Avoid unwinnable situations (i.e. heavies with HMGs within 40m of you) Squad w/me sometime, and id be more than willing to help out a fellow bastard :)
Kills-Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
1665
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Posted - 2014.06.10 01:35:00 -
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Thank you all of you. I'd wish I would have known this sooner. My KD/R is unrecoverable though. I'm going to try out this stuff now thanks. o7
PSN Sil4nt Chaozz
Autistic Mechanic & Engineer, Matari in Dust & out
Scrambler Pistol and Scout Devotee
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
1665
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Posted - 2014.06.10 01:57:00 -
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In a dom in a city map. WTH do I do? I'm being hit from all sides! Its the Thunderdome map.
PSN Sil4nt Chaozz
Autistic Mechanic & Engineer, Matari in Dust & out
Scrambler Pistol and Scout Devotee
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
3439
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Posted - 2014.06.10 02:06:00 -
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I quite like the RE/Nanohive combo for myself; I find myself running out of ammunition more frequently than I would like.
BlowoutForCPM
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Sleepy Shadow
L.O.T.I.S.
185
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Posted - 2014.06.10 07:36:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:In a dom in a city map. WTH do I do? I'm being hit from all sides! Its the Thunderdome map. Make several fittings for one. I have thirty different fittings (GÇ£one for every occasionGÇ¥). I am always at max fittings and need to delete them constantly to make new fittings better suited for my needs. I know some people only have a few fittings and honestly, I donGÇÖt understand them. For my scout fits I have, for example:
Fitting with an RR (for maps such as Manus Peak where range is my friend) Fitting with an AR (for maps where a lot of the enemy is shield tanked and mostly CQC) Fitting with an ACR (my go-to suit, usable on almost any map) Fitting with a shotgun (city maps, such as Gallente Research Facility)
The modules vary between the suits to compliment them. My shotgun fit has very low health but two dampeners, two precision enhancers and a cloak. It is suited for city maps where I can surprise the enemy easily, hide, escape, flank and whatnot. That suit, however, is pretty useless on Manus Peak. I know some can make it work but I cannot. On maps where I need range I pick my RR fitting that has more HP, better stamina and most importantly, range to attack from afar.
If youGÇÖre having a bad match in your scout fit, your blueberries are spinning in circles, adapt to the battle by doing something different. Spread uplinks all over the map, leave hives for your BBGÇÖs to consume, destroy enemy uplinks/hives, hack anything you can and kill stragglers. DonGÇÖt assume to find The One Fitting that suits every situation and map. And if youGÇÖre being hit from every direction, youGÇÖre in the wrong place with your scout fit.
Also, whatGÇÖs a Thunderdome map?
I have never proto stomped but now that DUST 514 is dead I can do it without remorse!! 247 million ISK to go.
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3545
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Posted - 2014.06.10 07:53:00 -
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Slim Winning wrote:This game requires 0 tips or skill. It was made to cater to scrubs. Have no gungame in an FPS? Be a heavy. Still have no game game in this FPS? Be a heavy with a rail rifle standing 50m+ back and allow aim assist to do the work for you.
Want speed, health, and re-gen ability, topped with stealth? Be a scout. Still can't muster any gungame? Chuck a Core Locus Grenade...
Can't do anything in this game? Be a tank. Can't fight other tanks? Be an ADS pilot.
Remember, the more sh*tty your connection to the server, the better you will do.
1. Pubs don't matter 2. Asault suits and logi suits don't matter 3. LAVs don't matter 4. Ion, Bolt, and Sc pistols don't matter 5. What the community wants doesn't matter 6. Unless its chasing FoTM, nothing in this game matters
So true.
Dust is the only game I have played that properly shts on people with skill and a good connection.
I understand a game allowing the not so skilled to still be helpful but this game outright carries people all the way and allows scrubs to excel through crutches.
What's left is to cater to the ones who think the game is pretty cool as it is.
If you stop moving
You die
Dance with me
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3545
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Posted - 2014.06.10 07:59:00 -
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Just brick tank it like every other scrub so you can Rambo it.
Granted you'll make cool scout fits but when the sht hits the fan you won't have to adapt. Just slap on plates and shields with a cloak and an RR or cr.
I have a 20 mil sp scout alt and I hunt scouts, they all switch to brick tank half way through the match, no tactics or skills involved.
Just zerg spamming brick tanked scouts with cloaks.
*yawn*
If you stop moving
You die
Dance with me
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic
1666
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:21:00 -
[29] - Quote
TechMechMeds wrote:Just brick tank it like every other scrub so you can Rambo it.
Granted you'll make cool scout fits but when the sht hits the fan you won't have to adapt. Just slap on plates and shields with a cloak and an RR or cr.
I have a 20 mil sp scout alt and I hunt scouts, they all switch to brick tank half way through the match, no tactics or skills involved.
Just zerg spamming brick tanked scouts with cloaks.
*yawn*
I'd rather dance with you knowing I have no chance of survival then to be cradled in a game.
PSN Sil4nt Chaozz
Autistic Mechanic & Engineer, Matari in Dust & out
Scrambler Pistol and Scout Devotee
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
35
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:30:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Can a fellow scout give me some quick tips on survival? I now am killing just fine but I die too much. My best earlier was 16/7/5.
I run ADV g1 basic RR KLO SCP 1 basic plate 2 ADV RA 2 ADV PE
I'm remembering to strafe but I cant think of much else to keep me living. Greatly appreciated. dont get greedy, pick off stragglers/solo people, raise your precision enhance profile damp and range amp up and perhaps biotic upgrades casue a stationary scout is a dead scout, and remember..
- from behind (knives or shotguns.. or RE if its a heavy)
- slow or stationary targets
- Flank flank flank
- pick off stragglers
- remote explosives on cap points
- try to stay away form meat grinders
- Cloak Cloak Cloak (even if i hate you cloakers)
dont try to be a front line soldier thats assault/heavy/sent/commando turf.
Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone?
No Mic and no time for "Squeekers"
Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
35
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:31:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Can a fellow scout give me some quick tips on survival? I now am killing just fine but I die too much. My best earlier was 16/7/5.
I run ADV g1 basic RR KLO SCP 1 basic plate 2 ADV RA 2 ADV PE
I'm remembering to strafe but I cant think of much else to keep me living. Greatly appreciated. I run min scout so what I am about to tell you is vital since we are the weakest. Amarr is actually better because it has a stronger slot layout to be a balanced scout. New fit for you: ADV G1 ARR (higher DPS by far in comparison to the other RR and is cheaper fitting) Side arm of choice 1x complex dampener 1x Basic/enhanced Armor plate 1x basic/enhanced Kinkat OR Complex Dampener OR another Armor plate 2x basic/enhanced light damage mod No cloak: 2x compact hives (keep your armor up and ammo available) STD Flux other tips: 1) Left to right or figure 8 movement when in a fire fight. 2) Don't shoot at anything unless you can take immediate cover. Sometimes hit detection screws you and you should have killed the guy but now you have to reload, he's at full health, and you have no cover 3) If alone, don't take on anything unless you point your weapon and read the HP it lists. Anything over about 600 you should leave alone. This keeps your kdr a lot less. 4) don't hack, always cover blueberries or someone else trying to hack unless you add a hack module. 5) If you can, don't be afraid to run with heavies and mediums as an "escort". Basically you can use them as protection and watch their 6 6) Don't enter corridors and don't peak in right through the door. Back up and look through the doorway from 30m or so back so you don't get insta beat by heavies or shotty's. 7) Always throw a flux in any place before you enter if you know they are grouped up in there. This is actually why I like the flaylock as a side arm. I can check for RE's far easier and don't waste a nade 8) If you go with 2 armor plates then know that you are slow and you should run more as an assault along side logi's and heavies. If you use the kinkat then you can move at almost 9m/s which is quite good and gives you room to get away losing fights 9) Don't use cloak unless you are proto in Gal Scout. You need the full bonus to cpu and pg for cloaks to be useful 10) You can run with an injector and hives as well if you want the extra points but I don't like being left for 3 seconds without protection. Can't trust blue berries 11) Again, I can't stress how important it is to not engage if there isn't some form of cover that you can take 12) Lose all of the ewar stuff. It's for losers. I'm serious. You don't and shouldn't need it if you r core is at 5 (which it needs to be). If you pay attention there isn't a whole lot that PE's can make up for. Just check 360 degrees relatively often and you'll see who you want/need to kill and whether someone is following you. 13) Remember that compact hives does both armor reps and ammo. But it will do your armor first before getting to ammo. You can only have one on the ground at at a time hence why I use 2. Another fit you can use is a scout/logi fit. basically, completely brick tank out and put injector and rep tool and just run with other heavies. Atiim wrote:After each kill jump backwards into cover, as it throws off enemies who are near the target you just killed, which can save your life depending on the circumstances.
Also, be patient. Don't rush in without planning an escape route simply because you know you can get the kill, as a nearby enemy will most likely kill you immediately after. Atiim nailed it. Don't get greedy and go for more than one kill. get your kill and get out. If you are going to fire any additional ammo it should be to completely terminate the clone you just killed. If you are almost out of ammo clip and are 100% sure you will have to reload to get the kill then I always get away and reload and find another target.
if amarr scout is soo good why does every one and their mother run cal scout?
Minmatar Logibro in training. Rusty needles anyone?
No Mic and no time for "Squeekers"
Nerf scout cloak+shotgun
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
458
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:08:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:12) Lose all of the ewar stuff. It's for losers. I'm serious. You don't and shouldn't need it if you r core is at 5 (which it needs to be). If you pay attention there isn't a whole lot that PE's can make up for. Just check 360 degrees relatively often and you'll see who you want/need to kill and whether someone is following you.
Strongly disagree with you about this Eko. The lifeblood of the Scout is in not being seen, thus allowing them to dictate the engagement with their greater battlefield information.
On the Gallente Scout a Complex Profile Dampener is incredibly important. One, plus Max GalScout, brings you down to 20.08db, or in other words: avoids most Active Scanners and the majority of passive scans, only being spotted by high level CalScouts or GalLogis. This means that it is much easier to avoid the other Scouts (Gal, Main and Amarr) while also dodging vehicle scanners and low/mid spec'd CalScouts.
As far as the Precision Enhancers are concerned, I agree: Level 5 Enhancement will do you just fine.
Range Amplifiers, however, are still important. At Level 5 Amplification and GalScout, you've got 31.5m of passive range. That's decent and good in close in maps, but fitting a Complex Range Amp will put your range up to 45.6m which is not only a big difference but also majorly useful for the mid/long range scout.
Personally, I run the following suit to great effect in both a solo and squad support (functioning as the eyes) role: G-1 Scout
1x Standard Precision Enhancer (I only have L3 and this drops me to 34.5db, enough to scan brick-tanked Scouts or otherwise undampened ones)
Standard Combat Rifle Standard SMG Flux Grenades
1x Complex Profile Damp 1x Complex Range Amp 1x Complex Reactive Plate (for speed retention) or Complex Armour (if I want to be a little tougher, usually if I'm running with a Logi nearby)
I don't claim to be the best Scout ever, but this fit and general idea has served me well since 1.5. |
Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
458
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:09:00 -
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jaksol JAK darnson
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:26:00 -
[34] - Quote
PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:Can a fellow scout give me some quick tips on survival? I now am killing just fine but I die too much. My best earlier was 16/7/5.
I run ADV g1 basic RR KLO SCP 1 basic plate 2 ADV RA 2 ADV PE
I'm remembering to strafe but I cant think of much else to keep me living. Greatly appreciated.
strafing need to be nurfed! but try the reactive plates really effective
TIPS: 1: never leave cover avoid the open like the plague 2: experiment with geting up on high places without useing ladders (your jump is you greatest asset) 3: shotgun is gereraly the best way to go, thou assault combat rifles work fine as long as its not a heavy (and your a goodshot) 4: dont get 2 close with a shotgun, (yes i said to close) you have no idea how many time iv been killed becouse the guy i was in inch from backed up before i could fire a shot. 5: corners are your best friend pick a corner and shotgun the first guy to walk by 6: never stay in the same place after you kill someone, they will be expecting you if you do. most likely with a grenade 7: try hanging out a fairly low traffic objective usually the outside ones 8: scaners can be your best friend try them out! can get them with out specking into them from the gallente factional store 9. if you need 2 RUN, run if you even think the rassberry knows your there 10. your scan profile is LOWER if, A: your not moving, and B: you are crouching. 11: get your kill and MOVE! as another guy already said don't get greedy
best game using these tips 39/4
also never strafed usually means your trying to use it as a assault suit
"Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."
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jaksol JAK darnson
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:37:00 -
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote:In a dom in a city map. WTH do I do? I'm being hit from all sides! Its the Thunderdome map.
dom is not the best game mode for a sout try playing more skrims
"Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
458
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:41:00 -
[36] - Quote
jaksol JAK darnson wrote:10. your scan profile is LOWER if, A: your not moving, and B: you are crouching.
False. Motion has no impact on your Profile/Precision. Unless you have some evidence you'd like to share? |
Onesimus Tarsus
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
2075
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:51:00 -
[37] - Quote
Eruditus 920 wrote:I hate posters who brag on the forums and to that end I will preface by saying I am an OK player who enjoys running a scout.
My two cents in response to cutting down on your deaths is be more selective in the engagements you choose. Scouts are usually paper thin and you have to be realistic in the fights you choose.
It takes some discipline to pass up a target.
I believe a scout should play to it's strengths so I like your use of eWar mods but not the RR.
RR is a longer range weapon and I prefer to use my scout's speed and stealth to sneak up when possible on a target and attack closer and from behind, insuring I get the first shot to mitigate my lack of HP.
Use the scouts strengths to dictate the terms of the fight and your deaths will go down, but this takes discipline.
That brag was so indirect, it ricocheted off the wall behind me and impaled itself on the flagpole outside.
Amarr. Scout.
Stop laughing!
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jaksol JAK darnson
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:07:00 -
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Kallas Hallytyr wrote:jaksol JAK darnson wrote:10. your scan profile is LOWER if, A: your not moving, and B: you are crouching. False. Motion has no impact on your Profile/Precision. Unless you have some evidence you'd like to share?
just what iv noticed dos not affect active scanners
and iv i was also told this way back in beta
"Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
458
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:08:00 -
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jaksol JAK darnson wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:jaksol JAK darnson wrote:10. your scan profile is LOWER if, A: your not moving, and B: you are crouching. False. Motion has no impact on your Profile/Precision. Unless you have some evidence you'd like to share? just what iv noticed as i have scan attemp prevented with no dampners on It is much more likely to be a low-level Active Scanner, or a vehicle scanner if you have any points in Profile Dampening. |
Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire
204
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Posted - 2014.06.11 04:23:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:I run solo ..... I am very smart with my engagements.
I will never ever ..... Cut- Paste-Print. I will read this every night before bedtime.
AKA - StarVenger
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