Shared passive scan does need to be removed.

It provides 100 percent feed back to all squad members all the time, nothing worst then being hunted down by a pack of heavies who all share "The Vision"

Either lower their scan ability and or get rid of shared squad vision.

HA CCP NOT RESPONDING THAT IS UN HEARD OF

1.) dampening is much stronger than precision. Complex precision mod gives 20% (level 3+ 700k sp) = enhanced dampener 20% (level 3)

2. ) precision starts at 40db and dampening starts at 35 db. At level 5 caldari scout with 5% precision per level it can scan a base of 27, a level 5 gallante scout already exceeds 27 just by skill and when you add on dampener it's exceeds it even more.

3. ) cal scout is made for scanning, if your minmitar/ Amarr scout are having trouble hiding from maximum 2 complex precison mod (which the cal scout gave up over 150 shields for) you should give up 2 low slots to get under it.

4.) cal scout with 4 complex precision is like 3 shots from SCR or ScP.


BTW- a level 4% per level would make cal scout only be able to scan scouts without a basic dampener.




Get rid of squad share of passive Scans.

I did suggest that, but even if they do then the Gal scout is gonna need a bump to damps because it's role is to hide after all. Passive scanning is always more important that not seeing anything.

After all, in the land of the blind, the one eyes man is king.

Round One
Problem: HP-tanked Scouts
Solution: Nerf Scout eWar

Round Two
Problem: CalScout eWar > Scout eWar
Solution: Nerf CalScout eWar

[ Meanwhile ... Heavies remain OP; Scout TTK takes a hit; Assaults get buffed ]

Round Three
Problem: HP-tanked Scouts, again.
Solution: Hmm... what's else can we nerf? Nerf slot count!

Round Four
Problem: Where'd all the Scouts go?
Solution: * crickets *

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@ Cody

Let's assume that the only updates from this point forward will be server-side.
Do you think Shared Passive Scans could be disabled via server-side update?

well you know the gallente scout lost a ton of its range on scans its down to 1% per level which is now the lowest bonus to any suit and were down to 3% dampening so the caldari scout needs something done to it i have to run 3 complex dampeners in some matches that is stupid needs to be a little better balance

So let me get this straight.

We are upset because scouts are good at scouting?

It provides 100 percent feed back to all squad members all the time, nothing worst then being hunted down by a pack of heavies who all share "The Vision"

Either lower their scan ability and or get rid of shared squad vision.

So let me get this straight.

We are upset because scouts are good at scouting?

Shared passive scan does need to be removed.

The problem is that to avoid one Caldari Scout with a paper thin scanning fit, the entire enemy team has to fit a paper thin dampening fit.


That problem is compounded by the shared squad vision. So with 1 caldari scout per squad (3 in total), the entire team is able to have the opposite team permascanned, unless the entire enemy team decides to gimp their fittings to avoid it. Even if they want to do it, most people wont be able to avoid the scans, since not everyone has a proto Gal Scout.


The result unless CCP changes something else? Caldari scout + heavies as next fotm, plus a couple of repairing logis and the usual mix of vehicles.

Mass drivers and your own detection is the key to paper thin scouts. They can't have both range AND complete profile invisibility. They have to choose one or the other.

Removing passive scans would REALLY be a game changer, and be a big hit to the usefulness of scouts. Right now it is passive scans that is making scouts a squad oriented role. Take that away and they just become lone wolfs who's purpose is once again to battle tank (unless you could let them scan with an active scanner while cloaked). The main complaint about cal passive shared scans being too strong isn't about how it affects anything other than paper scouts.

If non-dampened scouts didn't have to worry about passive scans shared with squad, that would be THAT much more of a buff to cloaky battle scouts. Which isn't their primary role. Forcing scouts to be thin skinned keeps them out of the brawling role except in a kind of suicide burst/breach role where they are the first ones to clear stuff with a shotgun. Taking off passive scans makes it that much more reasonable to once again put more/max armor modules in their lowslots, assuming they'd only be seing medium and heavy suits who wont see them.

In other words, what you want is the ability to only have to directly deal with cal-scouts (or gal logi scans) as a non-cal scout. This would reduce the dynamic role of scouts in the game.

M1 Grenades and contact grenades are the DIRECT counter to close range scouts. As such the meta needs to evolve to involve more nanohives deployed alloying for more grenade usage to counter scouts.

If anything, something like letting a flux grenade temporarily knock out scan sharing or something would be cool, but that would probably be a big backend fix.

I've been a scout for a good long while, and I can't agree with you more. But we have to work with what we have at the end of the day.

Can they disabled squad scans? I don't know. But I'd rather they didn't nerf the Cal scout scout the way they did the Gal and buff the gal a little bit.

If they can't? Then the Cal scout needs a nerf because it is a just a scanner with legs that never stops.

I remember you from the Winter, Cody. And I know you have our best interests at heart. o7

The majority of the guys are in favor of disabling shared squad sight, but many of us doubt that it can be toggled server-side (i.e. non-option). Nerfing the CalScout is an obvious alternative; you certainly aren't alone in your thinking. Should we take this path, we run high risk of doing more harm than good.

Zatara put it best when he said, "CalScouts keep the other Scouts honest."
I could be wrong, but here's how I see the CalScout nerf playing out:

If CalScouts can't hunt Scouts, then they won't try; they'll hybrid-tank or slay instead of running ewar.
If CalScouts aren't hunting Scouts, then GalScouts won't need to dampen; they'll run plates again.
If CalScouts and GalScouts are slaying and tanking, the other Scouts will follow suit to compete.

If we double down on more ewar nerfs, we will only serve to encourage more Assault Lite. We should try to treat the problem without creating bigger problems. All Scouts -- excluding Minmatar -- are readily able to counter the CalScout's scans.

Let's find a way to get those MinScouts the help they need without detrimentally impacting the other three.

scouts need to be good at scouting and now people are p***ed of that we can finally kill you unseen. lower cal scouts scan range dramatically not his precision that way he cannot see far out, or change their bonus to active scanners. don't hate on scouts because we aren't easy targets anymore we have no health and cannot last in a sustained firefight all i can do is hit and run.being a scout is finally ceasing to be difficult don't make it unreasonable again.

lol cody is a scout calm down we have been scouts for long while i have used a shotty scout for very long time and we know how u feel we are not wanting the scouts in general nerfed and the only reason everyone is doing it easy is because of the cloak there were very few scouts good at it before cloak and u dont look to familiar as a scout i have ever met

I remember you from the Winter, Cody. And I know you have our best interests at heart. o7

The majority of the guys are in favor of disabling shared squad sight, but many of us doubt that it can be toggled server-side (i.e. non-option). Nerfing the CalScout is an obvious alternative; you certainly aren't alone in your thinking. Should we take this path, we run high risk of doing more harm than good.

Zatara put it best when he said, "CalScouts keep the other Scouts honest."
I could be wrong, but here's how I see the CalScout nerf playing out:

If CalScouts can't hunt Scouts, then they won't try; they'll hybrid-tank or slay instead of running ewar.
If CalScouts aren't hunting Scouts, then GalScouts won't need to dampen; they'll run plates again.
If CalScouts and GalScouts are slaying and tanking, the other Scouts will follow suit to compete.

If we double down on more ewar nerfs, we will only serve to encourage more Assault Lite. We should try to treat the problem without creating bigger problems. All Scouts -- excluding Minmatar -- are readily able to counter the CalScout's scans.

Let's find a way to get those MinScouts the help they need without detrimentally impacting the other three.