DUST Search - Are you going to fix Desprate AV people

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol

With 3/10 the possibility of dying as well.

Shoot the LAV, the pilot, or the explosive. From my experience, they all work perfectly.

Shoot the LAV won't work, as

2: nitro

2: 1 hardener

will stop it. shooting the pilot is unreliable due to the hitbox being wonky. And lastly, most of the time you can't even shoot the explosive (unless a idiot puts it on the hood). Invalid.

So nitro makes a LAV more survivable? Or does it just accentuate your poor aim?

If a hardener is active the RE doesn't detonate
You can shoot the explosive quite easily, since in order to get the RE to detonate the driver must place them forward of the front axel.

Have you ever tried it, against proper tankers? Or are you another one of these
I blew up 12 tanks with 13 LAV's by running at them when they weren't looking, this is so OP.
kinda people?

It lowers the time to get to the target, giving the HAV way less time to actually shoot at you, and therefore technically boosting your eHP, so yes.

You obviously would turn the hardener off before you hit the HAV. It's called common sense.

And yes, I have. 55 tests across all the maps against a verity of people. It's broken ass all hell.

You shouldn't be able to gank a HAV in under 10 seconds. That's just bad balance.

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Doctor Day Glitched Connection 298	Posted - 2014.06.09 03:33:00 - [1] - Quote Im tired of loosing 500K tanks due to the cause of a ***** using a **** lav to destroy my hard earned 500K isk
Vitharr Foebane Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 1312	Posted - 2014.06.09 04:20:00 - [2] - Quote Until AV works jihad away my fellow thinkers Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2879	Posted - 2014.06.09 11:23:00 - [3] - Quote I'm tired of loosing my 115,000 ISK drop suit due to 7 **** in 7 ** tanks destroying my hard earned ISK Also you are asking the Developers of EvE online, who allow suicide ganking, to stop suicide laving against your cheap * tank? And finally in review, get good, no seriously I actually mean it. Allow me to give you a step by step guide on how to stop suicide lavs 1) See suicide LAV coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot with Rail Turret/Blaster Turret/Missile Turret 3) ???? 4) Profit 1) See suicide Lav coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot at wheel arches with Sniper/Racial Rifle/Mass Driver or pistol 3) Admire explosion 4)????? 5) Profit 1) See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) Hide behind another corner 3) Run over LAV (from back if preferable) 4) Adimre Explosion 5) ????? 6)Profit 1)See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) (Risky) Get out of tank 3) Plant RE on floor 4) Detonate as LAV drivds past 5) Admire explosion 6) ????? 7) Profit Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3433	Posted - 2014.06.09 14:33:00 - [4] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Until AV works jihad away my fellow thinkers It does work. Don't know what you guys are doing wrong, but my Lai Dais and IAFG don't have too many problems with tanks since the nade buff. BlowoutForCPM
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2881	Posted - 2014.06.09 14:41:00 - [5] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Until AV works jihad away my fellow thinkers It does work. Don't know what you guys are doing wrong, but my Lai Dais and IAFG don't have too many problems with tanks since the nade buff. What about the blaster turrets I heard the gotnthe accuracy debuff I've been suggesting for donkeys! Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Doctor Day Glitched Connection 299	Posted - 2014.06.09 17:42:00 - [6] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I'm tired of loosing my 115,000 ISK drop suit due to 7 **** in 7 ** tanks destroying my hard earned ISK Also you are asking the Developers of EvE online, who allow suicide ganking, to stop suicide laving against your cheap * tank? And finally in review, get good, no seriously I actually mean it. Allow me to give you a step by step guide on how to stop suicide lavs 1) See suicide LAV coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot with Rail Turret/Blaster Turret/Missile Turret 3) ???? 4) Profit 1) See suicide Lav coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot at wheel arches with Sniper/Racial Rifle/Mass Driver or pistol 3) Admire explosion 4)????? 5) Profit 1) See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) Hide behind another corner 3) Run over LAV (from back if preferable) 4) Adimre Explosion 5) ????? 6)Profit 1)See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) (Risky) Get out of tank 3) Plant RE on floor 4) Detonate as LAV drivds past 5) Admire explosion 6) ????? 7) Profit Sorry ape i dont use milita tanks....
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2882	Posted - 2014.06.09 20:54:00 - [7] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I'm tired of loosing my 115,000 ISK drop suit due to 7 **** in 7 ** tanks destroying my hard earned ISK Also you are asking the Developers of EvE online, who allow suicide ganking, to stop suicide laving against your cheap * tank? And finally in review, get good, no seriously I actually mean it. Allow me to give you a step by step guide on how to stop suicide lavs 1) See suicide LAV coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot with Rail Turret/Blaster Turret/Missile Turret 3) ???? 4) Profit 1) See suicide Lav coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot at wheel arches with Sniper/Racial Rifle/Mass Driver or pistol 3) Admire explosion 4)????? 5) Profit 1) See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) Hide behind another corner 3) Run over LAV (from back if preferable) 4) Adimre Explosion 5) ????? 6)Profit 1)See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) (Risky) Get out of tank 3) Plant RE on floor 4) Detonate as LAV drivds past 5) Admire explosion 6) ????? 7) Profit Sorry ape i dont use milita tanks.... Did you see the word milta in my post anywhere? Even your ' proto modded tank ' is cheap. Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2560	Posted - 2014.06.09 21:11:00 - [8] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Doctor Day wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I'm tired of loosing my 115,000 ISK drop suit due to 7 **** in 7 ** tanks destroying my hard earned ISK Also you are asking the Developers of EvE online, who allow suicide ganking, to stop suicide laving against your cheap * tank? And finally in review, get good, no seriously I actually mean it. Allow me to give you a step by step guide on how to stop suicide lavs 1) See suicide LAV coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot with Rail Turret/Blaster Turret/Missile Turret 3) ???? 4) Profit 1) See suicide Lav coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot at wheel arches with Sniper/Racial Rifle/Mass Driver or pistol 3) Admire explosion 4)????? 5) Profit 1) See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) Hide behind another corner 3) Run over LAV (from back if preferable) 4) Adimre Explosion 5) ????? 6)Profit 1)See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) (Risky) Get out of tank 3) Plant RE on floor 4) Detonate as LAV drivds past 5) Admire explosion 6) ????? 7) Profit Sorry ape i dont use milita tanks.... Did you see the word milta in my post anywhere? Even your ' proto modded tank ' is cheap. over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Doctor Day Glitched Connection 300	Posted - 2014.06.09 21:23:00 - [9] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Doctor Day wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I'm tired of loosing my 115,000 ISK drop suit due to 7 **** in 7 ** tanks destroying my hard earned ISK Also you are asking the Developers of EvE online, who allow suicide ganking, to stop suicide laving against your cheap * tank? And finally in review, get good, no seriously I actually mean it. Allow me to give you a step by step guide on how to stop suicide lavs 1) See suicide LAV coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot with Rail Turret/Blaster Turret/Missile Turret 3) ???? 4) Profit 1) See suicide Lav coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot at wheel arches with Sniper/Racial Rifle/Mass Driver or pistol 3) Admire explosion 4)????? 5) Profit 1) See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) Hide behind another corner 3) Run over LAV (from back if preferable) 4) Adimre Explosion 5) ????? 6)Profit 1)See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) (Risky) Get out of tank 3) Plant RE on floor 4) Detonate as LAV drivds past 5) Admire explosion 6) ????? 7) Profit Sorry ape i dont use milita tanks.... Did you see the word milta in my post anywhere? Even your ' proto modded tank ' is cheap. over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol Everything Godin says is truth every Ape says is false...
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10532	Posted - 2014.06.09 21:35:00 - [10] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Until AV works jihad away my fellow thinkers It does work. Don't know what you guys are doing wrong, but my Lai Dais and IAFG don't have too many problems with tanks since the nade buff. What about the blaster turrets I heard the gotnthe accuracy debuff I've been suggesting for donkeys! Indeed. It is significantly harder to hit players with the dispersion changes, especially at range. AVers now should have no reason to complain as Blaster HAV cannot engage reliably past say 60m. Still someone who knows Blaster Mechanics will still be able to snipe you at +100m but you will have a significantly higher TTK. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon

Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 9275	Posted - 2014.06.09 23:41:00 - [11] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol With 3/10 the possibility of dying as well. Shoot the LAV, the pilot, or the explosive. From my experience, they all work perfectly. Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical. I've run out of stuff to spec into :( -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10535	Posted - 2014.06.10 00:15:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol With 3/10 the possibility of dying as well. Shoot the LAV, the pilot, or the explosive. From my experience, they all work perfectly. Hey well then let me stick RE's on the front of my Executioner and ram battleship for a OHKO and I'll be all for JLAV's "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3437	Posted - 2014.06.10 01:16:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Until AV works jihad away my fellow thinkers It does work. Don't know what you guys are doing wrong, but my Lai Dais and IAFG don't have too many problems with tanks since the nade buff. What about the blaster turrets I heard the gotnthe accuracy debuff I've been suggesting for donkeys! Indeed. It is significantly harder to hit players with the dispersion changes, especially at range. AVers now should have no reason to complain as Blaster HAV cannot engage reliably past say 60m. Still someone who knows Blaster Mechanics will still be able to snipe you at +100m but you will have a significantly higher TTK. I was in my railgun Methana the other day, sitting in the turret shooting from 100m+. The turret could barely hit my car let alone me. Good fix is good. BlowoutForCPM
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10540	Posted - 2014.06.10 01:38:00 - [14] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Until AV works jihad away my fellow thinkers It does work. Don't know what you guys are doing wrong, but my Lai Dais and IAFG don't have too many problems with tanks since the nade buff. What about the blaster turrets I heard the gotnthe accuracy debuff I've been suggesting for donkeys! Indeed. It is significantly harder to hit players with the dispersion changes, especially at range. AVers now should have no reason to complain as Blaster HAV cannot engage reliably past say 60m. Still someone who knows Blaster Mechanics will still be able to snipe you at +100m but you will have a significantly higher TTK. I was in my railgun Methana the other day, sitting in the turret shooting from 100m+. The turret could barely hit my car let alone me. Good fix is good. My longest blast kill is 89.2m since hotfix went live. I will take that up to triple digits soon. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2560	Posted - 2014.06.10 06:07:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol With 3/10 the possibility of dying as well. Shoot the LAV, the pilot, or the explosive. From my experience, they all work perfectly. Shoot the LAV won't work, as 2: nitro 2: 1 hardener will stop it. shooting the pilot is unreliable due to the hitbox being wonky. And lastly, most of the time you can't even shoot the explosive (unless a idiot puts it on the hood). Invalid. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4388	Posted - 2014.06.10 06:21:00 - [16] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Until AV works jihad away my fellow thinkers AV does work. It's supposed to be an inferior counter-option. We're not talking about a Rock Paper Scissors scenario. We're talking about a ROCK! Paper Scissors scenario. It sounds like you don't want to accept the reality of infantry inferiority to that of a tank.
Games Haven Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2014.06.11 03:54:00 - [17] - Quote The struggle is real. The struggle is real.
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2888	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:10:00 - [18] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Doctor Day wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I'm tired of loosing my 115,000 ISK drop suit due to 7 **** in 7 ** tanks destroying my hard earned ISK Also you are asking the Developers of EvE online, who allow suicide ganking, to stop suicide laving against your cheap * tank? And finally in review, get good, no seriously I actually mean it. Allow me to give you a step by step guide on how to stop suicide lavs 1) See suicide LAV coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot with Rail Turret/Blaster Turret/Missile Turret 3) ???? 4) Profit 1) See suicide Lav coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot at wheel arches with Sniper/Racial Rifle/Mass Driver or pistol 3) Admire explosion 4)????? 5) Profit 1) See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) Hide behind another corner 3) Run over LAV (from back if preferable) 4) Adimre Explosion 5) ????? 6)Profit 1)See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) (Risky) Get out of tank 3) Plant RE on floor 4) Detonate as LAV drivds past 5) Admire explosion 6) ????? 7) Profit Sorry ape i dont use milita tanks.... Did you see the word milta in my post anywhere? Even your ' proto modded tank ' is cheap. over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol Tyres? Who said anything about tyres? I said aim at the wheel arches, since you clearly don't know what they are, there the bit of bodywork that ARCHES over the wheel to stop mud splatter. Since about week 2 of the invention of JLAV's people started placing the RE's here in an attempt to minimise premuture detonation. Every single one of those works. If the LAV is going slow enough inside the complex, you can actually run over the vehicle head-on and take no damage. I have been on both ends of each tactic I've even had one guy (rather skillfully) shoot the RE on my moving LAV to detonate them. Hence why I wrote them down for you. Secondly 110,000 +ù 5 > 500,000, might want to check your maths their! JLAV's are perfectly fine the only problem tankers have with them is that LAV's are more mobile than your 'super expensive megadeath machine of doom'. You don't like not being able to fight on your own terms. However in conclusion if True Adamance is right and blaster turrets are having a much harder time engaging single targets, I would expect JLAV use to drop as people start using more traditional AV methods, like tje Plasma Cannon and AV grenades. Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2888	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:28:00 - [19] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Until AV works jihad away my fellow thinkers AV does work. It's supposed to be an inferior counter-option. We're not talking about a Rock Paper Scissors scenario. We're talking about a ROCK! Paper Scissors scenario. It sounds like you don't want to accept the reality of infantry inferiority to that of a tank. Hold so Anti-Vehicle weaponry ISN'T Anti-Vehicle weaponry? What is it then? And if you actually understood game design, you would understand that multiplayer games aren't balanced unless they are considered Zero-Sum what this means is no matter what you deploy, there something that will beat, and whatever I deploy to beat you will have a counter as well. When people refer to rock, paper, scissors they are refering to the zero-sum ideology, that there is no one Item that should be categorically better than any other item that can be used at that time. Now I know what you're gonna say next But deploying a Rail Tank to destroy a Blaster Tank is zero-sum And Yes it is very well done on spotting that, but consider if you deploy a rail tank what next? The AV is inferior to blaster tanks and there is no reason why it wouldn't be inferior to Rail Tanks. Do you see? The difference between Rail Blaster is only internal balance. Just like saying Heavies with HMG's and 3000 EHP (I know they don't have this much) are balanced because a Heavy with a FG can 1 shot them. That doesn't make they heavy with a FG anyless difficult to kill though does it? What you seem to believe in is a hierarchical structure when one thing is categorically better than another. In which case I must ask you what will happen when Gunships are released? Will you be happy sitting a plinth below as a tanker, as pilots like myself rain death and destruction on you from above? If you said you wouldn't be happy then why, is it ok for you to do it to infantry? Finally just incase any wants to start real-world example arguing please google the Globalhawk, which is an unmanned aerial vehocle capable of autonomously identifying and firing upon enemy tanks with ground based cruise missiles tbat are capable of breaching well-over 50feet of hardened concrete. Anything you can say about how powerful real world tanks are does not compare to this. Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2888	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:36:00 - [20] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol With 3/10 the possibility of dying as well. Shoot the LAV, the pilot, or the explosive. From my experience, they all work perfectly. Shoot the LAV won't work, as 2: nitro 2: 1 hardener will stop it. shooting the pilot is unreliable due to the hitbox being wonky. And lastly, most of the time you can't even shoot the explosive (unless a idiot puts it on the hood). Invalid. So nitro makes a LAV more survivable? Or does it just accentuate your poor aim? If a hardener is active the RE doesn't detonate You can shoot the explosive quite easily, since in order to get the RE to detonate the driver must place them forward of the front axel. Have you ever tried it, against proper tankers? Or are you another one of these I blew up 12 tanks with 13 LAV's by running at them when they weren't looking, this is so OP. kinda people? Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!

Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp Covert Intervention 546	Posted - 2014.06.11 20:19:00 - [21] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol With 3/10 the possibility of dying as well. Shoot the LAV, the pilot, or the explosive. From my experience, they all work perfectly. Shoot the LAV won't work, as 2: nitro 2: 1 hardener will stop it. shooting the pilot is unreliable due to the hitbox being wonky. And lastly, most of the time you can't even shoot the explosive (unless a idiot puts it on the hood). Invalid. So nitro makes a LAV more survivable? Or does it just accentuate your poor aim? If a hardener is active the RE doesn't detonate You can shoot the explosive quite easily, since in order to get the RE to detonate the driver must place them forward of the front axel. Have you ever tried it, against proper tankers? Or are you another one of these I blew up 12 tanks with 13 LAV's by running at them when they weren't looking, this is so OP. kinda people? As someone who has both been on both ends of the JLAV, I can say it is a valid tactic. (I don't have bpo lavs by the way). I've been able to destroy the LAV by hitting the remotes, I've been killed by it. I've ran into tanks and had my REs not detonate. And I believe it's fine. I always find it hilarious. (Oh, and before you go off and call me a MLT tanker scrub, I have the standard tanks, and had proto missiles in 1.6). But I haven't tried blasters post update, so ill have to see how accurate they are. -Sincerely --The Dual Swarm Commando
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1322	Posted - 2014.06.11 20:22:00 - [22] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Until AV works jihad away my fellow thinkers AV does work. It's supposed to be an inferior counter-option. We're not talking about a Rock Paper Scissors scenario. We're talking about a ROCK! Paper Scissors scenario. It sounds like you don't want to accept the reality of infantry inferiority to that of a tank. fine then if infantry is inferior to a tank then the cost of said tank should relfect that aka "cheap" tanks should cost over a mil because they are sooooo blatantly superior Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2580	Posted - 2014.06.11 20:44:00 - [23] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol With 3/10 the possibility of dying as well. Shoot the LAV, the pilot, or the explosive. From my experience, they all work perfectly. Shoot the LAV won't work, as 2: nitro 2: 1 hardener will stop it. shooting the pilot is unreliable due to the hitbox being wonky. And lastly, most of the time you can't even shoot the explosive (unless a idiot puts it on the hood). Invalid. So nitro makes a LAV more survivable? Or does it just accentuate your poor aim? If a hardener is active the RE doesn't detonate You can shoot the explosive quite easily, since in order to get the RE to detonate the driver must place them forward of the front axel. Have you ever tried it, against proper tankers? Or are you another one of these I blew up 12 tanks with 13 LAV's by running at them when they weren't looking, this is so OP. kinda people? It lowers the time to get to the target, giving the HAV way less time to actually shoot at you, and therefore technically boosting your eHP, so yes. You obviously would turn the hardener off before you hit the HAV. It's called common sense. And yes, I have. 55 tests across all the maps against a verity of people. It's broken ass all hell. You shouldn't be able to gank a HAV in under a second. That's just bad balance. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2892	Posted - 2014.06.11 21:42:00 - [24] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol With 3/10 the possibility of dying as well. Shoot the LAV, the pilot, or the explosive. From my experience, they all work perfectly. Shoot the LAV won't work, as 2: nitro 2: 1 hardener will stop it. shooting the pilot is unreliable due to the hitbox being wonky. And lastly, most of the time you can't even shoot the explosive (unless a idiot puts it on the hood). Invalid. So nitro makes a LAV more survivable? Or does it just accentuate your poor aim? If a hardener is active the RE doesn't detonate You can shoot the explosive quite easily, since in order to get the RE to detonate the driver must place them forward of the front axel. Have you ever tried it, against proper tankers? Or are you another one of these I blew up 12 tanks with 13 LAV's by running at them when they weren't looking, this is so OP. kinda people? It lowers the time to get to the target, giving the HAV way less time to actually shoot at you, and therefore technically boosting your eHP, so yes. You obviously would turn the hardener off before you hit the HAV. It's called common sense. And yes, I have. 55 tests across all the maps against a verity of people. It's broken ass all hell. You shouldn't be able to gank a HAV in under 10 seconds. That's just bad balance. Technically nothing, it doesn't boost EHP at all, ever consodered damage modifiers 1 Dmg Modded Rail Gun shot pops LAV's Can you turn off Hardeners? Or are you saying that we are literally running at you when we know our hardners are going to turn off? Surely you understand how difficult that would be to predict. Fantastic, so what have you gleened then? Any weakpoints, let me tell you there are plenty. The thing is if I have a rail gun and sneak up on you the outcome is no different. So its Ok for LAV's to blow up in one hit, or infantry die from 2-3 HROF shots but god forbid killing a tank in under 10 seconds. That is literally the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, if you are ganking someone the idea is to damage them so quickly they don't have time to react. It's hardly ganking if I have to spend 30 secs calling in a LAV 30 secs prepping the LAV 15 secs identifying a valid target 20 secs reaching a position from which to attempt a run and the 5 secs screaming through battlefield full of stray bullets which will take only one well placed to kill me. The reason suicide LAV's are popular is because the circumvent the broken properties of tanks. Back when hardeners were all the rage 9RE did a staggering 13,500 dmg plus the LAV impact. Nowadays when everyone is repping 500 HP/s, higher than traditonal AV methods can output you only need 4-5. Face it tankers wanted tanks that are tough to kill. And they are, they require a vehicle and enough RE to orbit Arnold Shawrenegger. Finally do you have a better way of breaking a Tank Stomp? Or are we all meant to just drop our trousers and take it? Tankers LITERALLY have it easy and you are still complaining about the one thing that kills you with a decent amount of effectiveness. (Not that I call sacrificing a clone, an extra set of boots on the ground and a vehicle slot particularly effective) Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Topher Mellen Scott-Mellen Corporation 77	Posted - 2014.06.11 22:05:00 - [25] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: Im tired of loosing 500K tanks due to the cause of a ***** using a **** lav to destroy my hard earned 500K isk -1. Get teammates to help defend your tank. It should take more than one person to be able to defend a tank on the field.
Jonny D Buelle Mors Effera 169	Posted - 2014.06.11 22:34:00 - [26] - Quote Why is this on the legion subforums? Shouldn't this be in Dust General? Legionhares Unite!


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