DUST Search - Are you going to fix Desprate AV people

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Atiim wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol

With 3/10 the possibility of dying as well.

Shoot the LAV, the pilot, or the explosive. From my experience, they all work perfectly.

Shoot the LAV won't work, as

2: nitro

2: 1 hardener

will stop it. shooting the pilot is unreliable due to the hitbox being wonky. And lastly, most of the time you can't even shoot the explosive (unless a idiot puts it on the hood). Invalid.

So nitro makes a LAV more survivable? Or does it just accentuate your poor aim?

If a hardener is active the RE doesn't detonate
You can shoot the explosive quite easily, since in order to get the RE to detonate the driver must place them forward of the front axel.

Have you ever tried it, against proper tankers? Or are you another one of these
I blew up 12 tanks with 13 LAV's by running at them when they weren't looking, this is so OP.
kinda people?

It lowers the time to get to the target, giving the HAV way less time to actually shoot at you, and therefore technically boosting your eHP, so yes.

You obviously would turn the hardener off before you hit the HAV. It's called common sense.

And yes, I have. 55 tests across all the maps against a verity of people. It's broken ass all hell.

You shouldn't be able to gank a HAV in under 10 seconds. That's just bad balance.


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Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2879	Posted - 2014.06.09 11:23:00 - [1] - Quote I'm tired of loosing my 115,000 ISK drop suit due to 7 **** in 7 ** tanks destroying my hard earned ISK Also you are asking the Developers of EvE online, who allow suicide ganking, to stop suicide laving against your cheap * tank? And finally in review, get good, no seriously I actually mean it. Allow me to give you a step by step guide on how to stop suicide lavs 1) See suicide LAV coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot with Rail Turret/Blaster Turret/Missile Turret 3) ???? 4) Profit 1) See suicide Lav coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot at wheel arches with Sniper/Racial Rifle/Mass Driver or pistol 3) Admire explosion 4)????? 5) Profit 1) See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) Hide behind another corner 3) Run over LAV (from back if preferable) 4) Adimre Explosion 5) ????? 6)Profit 1)See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) (Risky) Get out of tank 3) Plant RE on floor 4) Detonate as LAV drivds past 5) Admire explosion 6) ????? 7) Profit Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2881	Posted - 2014.06.09 14:41:00 - [2] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Until AV works jihad away my fellow thinkers It does work. Don't know what you guys are doing wrong, but my Lai Dais and IAFG don't have too many problems with tanks since the nade buff. What about the blaster turrets I heard the gotnthe accuracy debuff I've been suggesting for donkeys! Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2882	Posted - 2014.06.09 20:54:00 - [3] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I'm tired of loosing my 115,000 ISK drop suit due to 7 **** in 7 ** tanks destroying my hard earned ISK Also you are asking the Developers of EvE online, who allow suicide ganking, to stop suicide laving against your cheap * tank? And finally in review, get good, no seriously I actually mean it. Allow me to give you a step by step guide on how to stop suicide lavs 1) See suicide LAV coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot with Rail Turret/Blaster Turret/Missile Turret 3) ???? 4) Profit 1) See suicide Lav coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot at wheel arches with Sniper/Racial Rifle/Mass Driver or pistol 3) Admire explosion 4)????? 5) Profit 1) See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) Hide behind another corner 3) Run over LAV (from back if preferable) 4) Adimre Explosion 5) ????? 6)Profit 1)See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) (Risky) Get out of tank 3) Plant RE on floor 4) Detonate as LAV drivds past 5) Admire explosion 6) ????? 7) Profit Sorry ape i dont use milita tanks.... Did you see the word milta in my post anywhere? Even your ' proto modded tank ' is cheap. Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2888	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:10:00 - [4] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Doctor Day wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I'm tired of loosing my 115,000 ISK drop suit due to 7 **** in 7 ** tanks destroying my hard earned ISK Also you are asking the Developers of EvE online, who allow suicide ganking, to stop suicide laving against your cheap * tank? And finally in review, get good, no seriously I actually mean it. Allow me to give you a step by step guide on how to stop suicide lavs 1) See suicide LAV coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot with Rail Turret/Blaster Turret/Missile Turret 3) ???? 4) Profit 1) See suicide Lav coming at you across open terrain 2) Shoot at wheel arches with Sniper/Racial Rifle/Mass Driver or pistol 3) Admire explosion 4)????? 5) Profit 1) See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) Hide behind another corner 3) Run over LAV (from back if preferable) 4) Adimre Explosion 5) ????? 6)Profit 1)See suicide LAV turn sharp corner in complex 2) (Risky) Get out of tank 3) Plant RE on floor 4) Detonate as LAV drivds past 5) Admire explosion 6) ????? 7) Profit Sorry ape i dont use milita tanks.... Did you see the word milta in my post anywhere? Even your ' proto modded tank ' is cheap. over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol Tyres? Who said anything about tyres? I said aim at the wheel arches, since you clearly don't know what they are, there the bit of bodywork that ARCHES over the wheel to stop mud splatter. Since about week 2 of the invention of JLAV's people started placing the RE's here in an attempt to minimise premuture detonation. Every single one of those works. If the LAV is going slow enough inside the complex, you can actually run over the vehicle head-on and take no damage. I have been on both ends of each tactic I've even had one guy (rather skillfully) shoot the RE on my moving LAV to detonate them. Hence why I wrote them down for you. Secondly 110,000 +ù 5 > 500,000, might want to check your maths their! JLAV's are perfectly fine the only problem tankers have with them is that LAV's are more mobile than your 'super expensive megadeath machine of doom'. You don't like not being able to fight on your own terms. However in conclusion if True Adamance is right and blaster turrets are having a much harder time engaging single targets, I would expect JLAV use to drop as people start using more traditional AV methods, like tje Plasma Cannon and AV grenades. Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2888	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:28:00 - [5] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Until AV works jihad away my fellow thinkers AV does work. It's supposed to be an inferior counter-option. We're not talking about a Rock Paper Scissors scenario. We're talking about a ROCK! Paper Scissors scenario. It sounds like you don't want to accept the reality of infantry inferiority to that of a tank. Hold so Anti-Vehicle weaponry ISN'T Anti-Vehicle weaponry? What is it then? And if you actually understood game design, you would understand that multiplayer games aren't balanced unless they are considered Zero-Sum what this means is no matter what you deploy, there something that will beat, and whatever I deploy to beat you will have a counter as well. When people refer to rock, paper, scissors they are refering to the zero-sum ideology, that there is no one Item that should be categorically better than any other item that can be used at that time. Now I know what you're gonna say next But deploying a Rail Tank to destroy a Blaster Tank is zero-sum And Yes it is very well done on spotting that, but consider if you deploy a rail tank what next? The AV is inferior to blaster tanks and there is no reason why it wouldn't be inferior to Rail Tanks. Do you see? The difference between Rail Blaster is only internal balance. Just like saying Heavies with HMG's and 3000 EHP (I know they don't have this much) are balanced because a Heavy with a FG can 1 shot them. That doesn't make they heavy with a FG anyless difficult to kill though does it? What you seem to believe in is a hierarchical structure when one thing is categorically better than another. In which case I must ask you what will happen when Gunships are released? Will you be happy sitting a plinth below as a tanker, as pilots like myself rain death and destruction on you from above? If you said you wouldn't be happy then why, is it ok for you to do it to infantry? Finally just incase any wants to start real-world example arguing please google the Globalhawk, which is an unmanned aerial vehocle capable of autonomously identifying and firing upon enemy tanks with ground based cruise missiles tbat are capable of breaching well-over 50feet of hardened concrete. Anything you can say about how powerful real world tanks are does not compare to this. Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2888	Posted - 2014.06.11 11:36:00 - [6] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol With 3/10 the possibility of dying as well. Shoot the LAV, the pilot, or the explosive. From my experience, they all work perfectly. Shoot the LAV won't work, as 2: nitro 2: 1 hardener will stop it. shooting the pilot is unreliable due to the hitbox being wonky. And lastly, most of the time you can't even shoot the explosive (unless a idiot puts it on the hood). Invalid. So nitro makes a LAV more survivable? Or does it just accentuate your poor aim? If a hardener is active the RE doesn't detonate You can shoot the explosive quite easily, since in order to get the RE to detonate the driver must place them forward of the front axel. Have you ever tried it, against proper tankers? Or are you another one of these I blew up 12 tanks with 13 LAV's by running at them when they weren't looking, this is so OP. kinda people? Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 2892	Posted - 2014.06.11 21:42:00 - [7] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Atiim wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: over 5 times the cost of your suit. And no, JLAV's are not fine at all, and not a single one of those things even works. Shoot the tires? lol With 3/10 the possibility of dying as well. Shoot the LAV, the pilot, or the explosive. From my experience, they all work perfectly. Shoot the LAV won't work, as 2: nitro 2: 1 hardener will stop it. shooting the pilot is unreliable due to the hitbox being wonky. And lastly, most of the time you can't even shoot the explosive (unless a idiot puts it on the hood). Invalid. So nitro makes a LAV more survivable? Or does it just accentuate your poor aim? If a hardener is active the RE doesn't detonate You can shoot the explosive quite easily, since in order to get the RE to detonate the driver must place them forward of the front axel. Have you ever tried it, against proper tankers? Or are you another one of these I blew up 12 tanks with 13 LAV's by running at them when they weren't looking, this is so OP. kinda people? It lowers the time to get to the target, giving the HAV way less time to actually shoot at you, and therefore technically boosting your eHP, so yes. You obviously would turn the hardener off before you hit the HAV. It's called common sense. And yes, I have. 55 tests across all the maps against a verity of people. It's broken ass all hell. You shouldn't be able to gank a HAV in under 10 seconds. That's just bad balance. Technically nothing, it doesn't boost EHP at all, ever consodered damage modifiers 1 Dmg Modded Rail Gun shot pops LAV's Can you turn off Hardeners? Or are you saying that we are literally running at you when we know our hardners are going to turn off? Surely you understand how difficult that would be to predict. Fantastic, so what have you gleened then? Any weakpoints, let me tell you there are plenty. The thing is if I have a rail gun and sneak up on you the outcome is no different. So its Ok for LAV's to blow up in one hit, or infantry die from 2-3 HROF shots but god forbid killing a tank in under 10 seconds. That is literally the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard, if you are ganking someone the idea is to damage them so quickly they don't have time to react. It's hardly ganking if I have to spend 30 secs calling in a LAV 30 secs prepping the LAV 15 secs identifying a valid target 20 secs reaching a position from which to attempt a run and the 5 secs screaming through battlefield full of stray bullets which will take only one well placed to kill me. The reason suicide LAV's are popular is because the circumvent the broken properties of tanks. Back when hardeners were all the rage 9RE did a staggering 13,500 dmg plus the LAV impact. Nowadays when everyone is repping 500 HP/s, higher than traditonal AV methods can output you only need 4-5. Face it tankers wanted tanks that are tough to kill. And they are, they require a vehicle and enough RE to orbit Arnold Shawrenegger. Finally do you have a better way of breaking a Tank Stomp? Or are we all meant to just drop our trousers and take it? Tankers LITERALLY have it easy and you are still complaining about the one thing that kills you with a decent amount of effectiveness. (Not that I call sacrificing a clone, an extra set of boots on the ground and a vehicle slot particularly effective) Looks like its back to FPS Military Shooter 56 Monkey Mac - Just another pile of discarded ashes on the battlefield!