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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.06.09 02:26:00 -
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I've compiled a list of all the items that should be in the marketplace, but aren't; and placed them into these two convenient spreadsheets. I don't believe this will be addressed in Hotfix Bravo, but I hope you consider looking into to this in Hotfix Charlie.
Infantry Weapons | Vehicles & Dropsuits
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Current Goal: Caldari Assault Dropsuits III
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Forever ETC
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
523
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Posted - 2014.06.09 06:01:00 -
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Hey, you forgot the Imperial Amarr HAV... Oh wait
Anyways, if we could also get the FW payment fixed that would be great.
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CCP Rattati
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Posted - 2014.06.09 07:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I've compiled a list of all the items that should be in the marketplace, but aren't; and placed them into these two convenient spreadsheets. I don't believe this will be addressed in Hotfix Bravo, but I hope you consider looking into to this in Hotfix Charlie. Infantry Weapons | Vehicles & Dropsuits-HAND
That is very helpful, thanks, I will bookmark this promptly.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.06.09 07:33:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I've compiled a list of all the items that should be in the marketplace, but aren't; and placed them into these two convenient spreadsheets. I don't believe this will be addressed in Hotfix Bravo, but I hope you consider looking into to this in Hotfix Charlie. Infantry Weapons | Vehicles & Dropsuits-HAND
Nice job
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
782
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Posted - 2014.06.09 09:11:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Federation Allotek Specialist Breach Shotgun  Gimme naow!
slowdown on hit...
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.06.09 11:12:00 -
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I'm not certain that the ADSes being missing from the market is an error, per se, considering there aren't any AUR versions of them.
That the suits and weapons have AUR variants and no FW variants is a bit off, though.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.06.09 11:43:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:I'm not certain that the ADSes being missing from the market is an error, per se, considering there aren't any AUR versions of them.
That the suits and weapons have AUR variants and no FW variants is a bit off, though.
You know you want an LP ADS though. 
Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.
I've run out of stuff to spec into :(
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.06.11 01:32:00 -
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I've combined the two spreadsheets, which should hopefully make them more practical to read.
Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.
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Talon Paetznick II
Gallente Federation Resistance
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Posted - 2014.06.11 03:24:00 -
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what about contact grenades
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.06.11 03:32:00 -
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Talon Paetznick II wrote:what about contact grenades
Oh yes, I forgot about the grenades. I'll add them to the spreadsheet.
Thanks.
Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.06.11 03:37:00 -
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You forgot specialist versions of every last turret, and vehicles that are not pre-fitted.
EDIT: Oh, and actually a point to having LP items other than having a name and a skin added to them.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.06.11 03:52:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:You forgot specialist versions of every last turret, and vehicles that are not pre-fitted.
EDIT: Oh, and actually a point to having LP items other than having a name and a skin added to them.
I will add specialist turrets as well. As for vehicles that are not pre-fitted, that is a separate issue that doesn't involve the item itself being missing from the marketplace.
Though the point of LP items is to either:
- Provide high end gear at lower CPU/PG costs
- Provide cheaper gear (in terms of ISK)
- Provide gear at lower SP requirements; similar to AUR gear
- Provide gear better than PRO equivalents (in the case of equipment)
There are lots of reasons to have LP items beyond a fancy name and skin attached to it, although the LP payouts for FW need to be increased to make obtaining the LP for these items actually worth the effort.
Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.06.11 04:21:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:You forgot specialist versions of every last turret, and vehicles that are not pre-fitted.
EDIT: Oh, and actually a point to having LP items other than having a name and a skin added to them. I will add specialist turrets as well. As for vehicles that are not pre-fitted, that is a separate issue that doesn't involve the item itself being missing from the marketplace. Though the point of LP items is to either:
- Provide high end gear at lower CPU/PG costs
- Provide cheaper gear (in terms of ISK)
- Provide gear at lower SP requirements; similar to AUR gear
- Provide gear better than PRO equivalents (in the case of equipment)
There are lots of reasons to have LP items beyond a fancy name and skin attached to it, although the LP payouts for FW need to be increased to make obtaining the LP for these items actually worth the effort.
1: Only helps PROTO stompers
2: There's no ISK payout in FW, so moot, and also, ISK can't be used as a point when it comes to gear tbh.
3: Pointless if you have the skills for them, so not really a point
4: Read 1
No, there's really not.
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The-Errorist
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2014.06.11 05:25:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I've compiled a list of all the items that should be in the marketplace, but aren't; and placed them into these two convenient spreadsheets. I don't believe this will be addressed in Hotfix Bravo, but I hope you consider looking into to this in Hotfix Charlie. You can view the spreadsheet here. -HAND
Awesome list. It would be awesome if vehicle modules were in the LP store also.
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Velociraptor antirrhopus
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:30:00 -
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dat imperial imperial burst scrambler pistol
My thoughts on Hotfix Alpha: First I noticed a scout running from my AR. Then a heavy. Then a COMBAT RIFLE USER. CCP +1
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.06.11 07:16:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:Atiim wrote:I've compiled a list of all the items that should be in the marketplace, but aren't; and placed them into these two convenient spreadsheets. I don't believe this will be addressed in Hotfix Bravo, but I hope you consider looking into to this in Hotfix Charlie. You can view the spreadsheet here. -HAND Awesome list. It would be awesome if vehicle modules were in the LP store also.
I will add those in as soon as I'm available
Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.06.11 07:43:00 -
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You still forgot the Federation Rails.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.06.12 06:12:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:You forgot specialist versions of every last turret, and vehicles that are not pre-fitted.
EDIT: Oh, and actually a point to having LP items other than having a name and a skin added to them. I will add specialist turrets as well. As for vehicles that are not pre-fitted, that is a separate issue that doesn't involve the item itself being missing from the marketplace. Though the point of LP items is to either:
- Provide high end gear at lower CPU/PG costs
- Provide cheaper gear (in terms of ISK)
- Provide gear at lower SP requirements; similar to AUR gear
- Provide gear better than PRO equivalents (in the case of equipment)
There are lots of reasons to have LP items beyond a fancy name and skin attached to it, although the LP payouts for FW need to be increased to make obtaining the LP for these items actually worth the effort. 1: Only helps PROTO stompers 2: There's no ISK payout in FW, so moot, and also, ISK can't be used as a point when it comes to gear tbh. 3: Pointless if you have the skills for them, so not really a point 4: Read 1 No, there's really not.
#1 also helps players in Planetary Conquest. Your assertion about #2 would imply that your only going to use LP gear in Factional Warfare, not to mention the fact that cheaper gear is always a positive advantage. Though I'd love to hear a valid reason as to why lower ISK costs isn't a valid incentive.
#3 Is subjective, as there are vast amounts of players who don't have their Dropsuit Command skill(s) at Level V. refer to my counter argument in response to assertion #4.
Though this discussion is irrelevant to the topic at hand. If you'd like to discuss the incentives of having LP gear, please feel free to create another thread.
Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.06.12 06:13:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:You still forgot the Federation Rails.
20GJ & 80GJ Railguns are produced by the Caldari State.. There are no Federation Railguns because there should be no Federation Rails.
That's like asking why Scrambler Rifles are missing from the Matari LP Store.
Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.
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Lynn Beck
Heaven's Lost Property
1781
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Posted - 2014.06.12 07:46:00 -
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May have been a joke Atiim...
Gallente are known for using Rail tech, at least in Eve.
Just that when Caldari/gallente split, they picked one of the 2 'hybrid' weapons to specialise into, and left at that.
However, Rails were invented back when Gal/Cal were friends, DUST began way after that, so it makes sense their ground forces are seperate: except where Tanks come in, as they are pretty much ground based Drones, and should feature the same bonuses/weapon affinities.
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ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1276
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:23:00 -
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Some Ferroscales, Reactives, Damps, Amps, and Precision Enhancers would be nice along with the suits and weapons.
And a normalized pricing scheme would be great too. And by that, I mean let's make Modules not be a waste of LP.
I think I'm over Dust now...
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
3482
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:56:00 -
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Lynn Beck wrote:May have been a joke Atiim...
Gallente are known for using Rail tech, at least in Eve.
Just that when Caldari/gallente split, they picked one of the 2 'hybrid' weapons to specialise into, and left at that.
However, Rails were invented back when Gal/Cal were friends, DUST began way after that, so it makes sense their ground forces are seperate: except where Tanks come in, as they are pretty much ground based Drones, and should feature the same bonuses/weapon affinities.
Godin doesn't know how to joke.
He also doesn't seem to realise that LP hear is also used by people who don't have maxed skills!
Shocking, I know!
I, in fact, would happily engage in some stimulating Caldari Factional Warfare were there a CalScout there somewhere so's I could protostomp six days early.
If there were a Specialist AFG (or even a regular one, I guess) I would be running CalFW in a heartbeat.
Don't know if he realises this, but IAFG is the only way I've found to overtax my ak.0's fitting capabilities. Would be nice to have one that didn't consume 23 PG.
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Ku Shala
The Generals
953
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Posted - 2014.06.13 18:56:00 -
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there is alot of suits missing too state heavy frames and light frames and im sure other faction suits as well
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The True Inferno
Myrmidon Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.06.26 08:06:00 -
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I'd love to get my hands on that proto burst ScP
I see your having fun in that prototype suit.
I hope you don't a few of my toxin rounds coming inside.
ScP = GÖÑ
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Harpyja
Legio DXIV
1937
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Posted - 2014.06.26 15:07:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:You forgot specialist versions of every last turret, and vehicles that are not pre-fitted.
EDIT: Oh, and actually a point to having LP items other than having a name and a skin added to them. I will add specialist turrets as well. As for vehicles that are not pre-fitted, that is a separate issue that doesn't involve the item itself being missing from the marketplace. Though the point of LP items is to either:
- Provide high end gear at lower CPU/PG costs
- Provide cheaper gear (in terms of ISK)
- Provide gear at lower SP requirements; similar to AUR gear
- Provide gear better than PRO equivalents (in the case of equipment)
There are lots of reasons to have LP items beyond a fancy name and skin attached to it, although the LP payouts for FW need to be increased to make obtaining the LP for these items actually worth the effort.
And also a decreased ISK payout too.
But yes definitely more LP. Currently if you're not going for the Specialist weapons, it's more of a hassle to get the loyalty store items than their ISK variants. A State Gunnlogi for example requires two wins at a low standings level and one win at a higher level, plus a regular battle to get the ISK (it's a small price but say that you're starting with 0). So even at a high standings level you get 1 State hull for about every FW battle (if you win), though you can get about two regular hulls every pub battle on the high side and 1 hull if you do completely poorly and lose.
For me, I only want the State Gunnlogi with State XT-201 missiles because of the skin. It's a real hassle to get the 1100 (?) LPs needed to restock just one. That's about 3 wins needed at my low standings level and not every game is won. The ISK equivalent takes no more than 2 pub matches, win or lose, most of the time.
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Atiim
NoGameNoLife
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Posted - 2014.06.26 15:11:00 -
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Ku Shala wrote:there is alot of suits missing too state heavy frames and light frames and im sure other faction suits as well
I've included those as well.
NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher.
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Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:23:00 -
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And nothing of value was lost that day...
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
12292
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:46:00 -
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Forever ETC wrote:Hey, you forgot the Imperial Amarr HAV... Oh wait
Anyways, if we could also get the FW payment fixed that would be great.
NOT FUNNY DUDE!
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
12292
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Posted - 2014.07.28 21:51:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Atiim wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:You forgot specialist versions of every last turret, and vehicles that are not pre-fitted.
EDIT: Oh, and actually a point to having LP items other than having a name and a skin added to them. I will add specialist turrets as well. As for vehicles that are not pre-fitted, that is a separate issue that doesn't involve the item itself being missing from the marketplace. Though the point of LP items is to either:
- Provide high end gear at lower CPU/PG costs
- Provide cheaper gear (in terms of ISK)
- Provide gear at lower SP requirements; similar to AUR gear
- Provide gear better than PRO equivalents (in the case of equipment)
There are lots of reasons to have LP items beyond a fancy name and skin attached to it, although the LP payouts for FW need to be increased to make obtaining the LP for these items actually worth the effort. 1: Only helps PROTO stompers 2: There's no ISK payout in FW, so moot, and also, ISK can't be used as a point when it comes to gear tbh. 3: Pointless if you have the skills for them, so not really a point 4: Read 1 No, there's really not.
I don't see any problems with that?
It's like Pirate gear..... its just better than most empire stuff, and because of how tricky it is to get and how strong they are the gear is balanced by ISK cost.
I mean I was seeing 300+ Million ISK Worms and Cruors in Huola...... sure they were good and would wreck players 1v1 or 2v1 but against our fleets those pirate frigs meant nothing and we got some juicy kill mails.
At some point players in this game and going to have to HTFU realise Tiericide will not work and just deal with it. Imbalances exist its a natural part of New Eden when T1 is brought against T2 it tends to lose unless it is brought in large numbers.
"Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
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