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Dagger-Two
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Posted - 2014.06.12 04:42:00 -
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Racial Variants for more types of weapons to fit lore (Gallente and Caldari projectile weapons, Caldari and Amarr Plasma weapons, Gallente and Minmatar rail weapons, etc) + more weapon models even within weapon meta-levels to increase immersion (say, a 'Combat Rifle' having a different model than an 'Assault Combat Rifle')
More AV Missile weaponry, and improving Swarm functionality
Ammunition types for most light weapons
Plasma weapons having range characteristics changed so the bolts disappear after a set (short) range, with optimal sitting at around 30m, falloff another 30m max (bolt loses damage in this range), and after that the bolt just disappears (again, in keeping with how plasma weapons work in lore) Edit: Ranges of course would be a bit longer on heavier weapons, and shorter on lighter weapons. 30/30m was just an example.
Make plasma weapons devastatingly powerful to compensate for very short ranges.
Drastically increase range of any weapon firing a solid projectile. (Seeing 100m being called 'long range' in a large-map shooter game makes me sad)
More vehicles, both in categories and race (goes without saying I think)
Differing vehicle models between roles (not just one hull)
Race-specific turret models for vehicles, at least for that races more common heavy weaponry. (Eg: a blaster on a caldari tank will have a different model than on a gallente tank, though it's the same blaster. Same goes for rail turrets. If you put a Projectile turret on a caldari tank, though, it'll keep a Minmatar model with altered colours to match the tank)
Racial HUD's that are simple but elegant
Re-imagined sounds to help gameplay immersion
Smart RDV's
Commander with ability to drop installations: no turret installations when map begins
Restriction to light/medium suits when operating dropships or tanks
Higher ceiling for maps, for more tactical use of dropships
Large varied maps with equally varied game-modes.
I could really go on....
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Dagger-Two
Tharumec
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Posted - 2014.06.12 05:44:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
10: Caldari don't really use blasters much, nor do they make them, so why would they have their own? Also, Why would it be binded to the hull type? Wouldn't it be for whoever made the actual turret?
Ugh.
Yes, Godin. Yes they do.
This is why you think idea no. 1 makes no sense; because you don't understand EVE lore with regards to weaponry, especially personal weaponry.
EVERYONE uses bullets.
Space combat aside, none of the empires restrict themselves to one type of weapon. Not only is there lore to back this up, believing otherwise is ridiculous.
The Gallente invented magnetic weaponry, both Blasters and Railguns. the Caldari adopted both, as well as maintaining their love for missiles. Space combat does not mirror what fighting is like on the ground, though.
Every single empire has used, and still uses, conventional projectile small-arms. They are the most cost effective and easily manufactured firearms available, while still being very lethal thanks to modern materials and technologies. This is Canon, pure and simple.
That being said, even in EVE it is common to see railgun fit gallente ships, or blaster fit caldari ones, and I'm taking NPC's, not just players.
It is completely rational to expect that personal weaponry, regardless of empire, would fit tactical roles. If a certain type of weapon fit a tactical role better than another, it would absolutely be favored. Why would a Caldari soldier breaching a room have a railgun? Why not have a plasma weapon that has far more stopping power at the appropriate range you will be engaging? What if there are other people, and rail rounds might overpenetrate and kill someone? Plasma bolts vent the moment they hit something, so no danger of that.
Do you then think that a Caldari unit would go buy Gallente weapons just to fill that role? Hell no, they have all the same technology to make their own.
Are you getting what I'm saying?
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Dagger-Two
Tharumec
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Posted - 2014.06.12 05:54:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
10: Caldari don't really use blasters much, nor do they make them, so why would they have their own? Also, Why would it be binded to the hull type? Wouldn't it be for whoever made the actual turret?
Ugh. Yes, Godin. Yes they do. This is why you think idea no. 1 makes no sense; because you don't understand EVE lore with regards to weaponry, especially personal weaponry. EVERYONE uses bullets. Space combat aside, none of the empires restrict themselves to one type of weapon. Not only is there lore to back this up, believing otherwise is ridiculous. The Gallente invented magnetic weaponry, both Blasters and Railguns. the Caldari adopted both, as well as maintaining their love for missiles. Space combat does not mirror what fighting is like on the ground, though. Every single empire has used, and still uses, conventional projectile small-arms. They are the most cost effective and easily manufactured firearms available, while still being very lethal thanks to modern materials and technologies. This is Canon, pure and simple. That being said, even in EVE it is common to see railgun fit gallente ships, or blaster fit caldari ones, and I'm taking NPC's, not just players. It is completely rational to expect that personal weaponry, regardless of empire, would fit tactical roles. If a certain type of weapon fit a tactical role better than another, it would absolutely be favored. Why would a Caldari soldier breaching a room have a railgun? Why not have a plasma weapon that has far more stopping power at the appropriate range you will be engaging? What if there are other people, and rail rounds might overpenetrate and kill someone? Plasma bolts vent the moment they hit something, so no danger of that. Do you then think that a Caldari unit would go buy Gallente weapons just to fill that role? Hell no, they have all the same technology to make their own. Are you getting what I'm saying? Then if that's the case, where are the Caldari Navy Blasters? Also, there's not a single Caldari named Turret or weapon that is blaster based. You clearly know nothing. Also, I said that they use them, just not as much as rails. and blasters don't use bullets, they use charges of whatever, which is superheated to a plasma form then shot. Insult me as you please, but actually use logic when insulting me. Thanks.
Just because there is no Caldari Navy blaster on an LP store, does not invalidate lore.
I know blasters don't use bullets, that was just an attention grabber. The point still stands: on the ground, every race use bullet shooting rifles, amongst others.
i assure you that between my time in EVE, and having read through every chronicle, short story, and novella CCP has written, i know my fair share.
I wasn't trying to insult you, but if you can't see the logic that's your problem.
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Dagger-Two
Tharumec
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Posted - 2014.06.12 06:22:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
10: Caldari don't really use blasters much, nor do they make them, so why would they have their own? Also, Why would it be binded to the hull type? Wouldn't it be for whoever made the actual turret?
Ugh. Yes, Godin. Yes they do. This is why you think idea no. 1 makes no sense; because you don't understand EVE lore with regards to weaponry, especially personal weaponry. EVERYONE uses bullets. Space combat aside, none of the empires restrict themselves to one type of weapon. Not only is there lore to back this up, believing otherwise is ridiculous. The Gallente invented magnetic weaponry, both Blasters and Railguns. the Caldari adopted both, as well as maintaining their love for missiles. Space combat does not mirror what fighting is like on the ground, though. Every single empire has used, and still uses, conventional projectile small-arms. They are the most cost effective and easily manufactured firearms available, while still being very lethal thanks to modern materials and technologies. This is Canon, pure and simple. That being said, even in EVE it is common to see railgun fit gallente ships, or blaster fit caldari ones, and I'm taking NPC's, not just players. It is completely rational to expect that personal weaponry, regardless of empire, would fit tactical roles. If a certain type of weapon fit a tactical role better than another, it would absolutely be favored. Why would a Caldari soldier breaching a room have a railgun? Why not have a plasma weapon that has far more stopping power at the appropriate range you will be engaging? What if there are other people, and rail rounds might overpenetrate and kill someone? Plasma bolts vent the moment they hit something, so no danger of that. Do you then think that a Caldari unit would go buy Gallente weapons just to fill that role? Hell no, they have all the same technology to make their own. Are you getting what I'm saying? Then if that's the case, where are the Caldari Navy Blasters? Also, there's not a single Caldari named Turret or weapon that is blaster based. You clearly know nothing. Also, I said that they use them, just not as much as rails. and blasters don't use bullets, they use charges of whatever, which is superheated to a plasma form then shot. Insult me as you please, but actually use logic when insulting me. Thanks. Just because there is no Caldari Navy blaster on an LP store, does not invalidate lore. I know blasters don't use bullets, that was just an attention grabber. The point still stands: on the ground, every race use bullet shooting rifles, amongst others. i assure you that between my time in EVE, and having read through every chronicle, short story, and novella CCP has written, i know my fair share. I wasn't trying to insult you, but if you can't see the logic that's your problem. Your logic is that they do, when they in fact don't, otherwise they would show it, but they don't, ever. So therefore, I call bullshit.
It physically pains me that you're making me stay up so I can give you examples how how wrong you are, but I'll get over it.
From the story 'Theodicy' : (Hint: The guards are Amarrian)
He ran through crowds of flashing knives and spilled blood; past men clutching at their Glaive-collars with one hand and bashing Amarrians with the other. With abdominal pain intensifying every step, he hurled himself into a lift and shut the door. The elevator began rocketing upwards amidst a hail of bullets. Guards filed into a second lift and gave chase.
Or from Templar One, when Vince is training with some weapons:
"Arrayed before him were plasma rifles, arc cannons, various explosives, and electronics, all of which he could explain the inner workings of in intimate detail, down to the smallest nuance"
And while, granted, it never says a MAKE for the plasma rifles, do you REALLY think they're Gallentean?
At an Imperial Armaments training facility?
Teaching a Templar of all things?
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Dagger-Two
Tharumec
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Posted - 2014.06.13 00:29:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:
It physically pains me that you're making me stay up so I can give you examples how how wrong you are, but I'll get over it.
From the story 'Theodicy' : (Hint: The guards are Amarrian)
He ran through crowds of flashing knives and spilled blood; past men clutching at their Glaive-collars with one hand and bashing Amarrians with the other. With abdominal pain intensifying every step, he hurled himself into a lift and shut the door. The elevator began rocketing upwards amidst a hail of bullets. Guards filed into a second lift and gave chase.
Or from Templar One, when Vince is training with some weapons:
"Arrayed before him were plasma rifles, arc cannons, various explosives, and electronics, all of which he could explain the inner workings of in intimate detail, down to the smallest nuance"
And while, granted, it never says a MAKE for the plasma rifles, do you REALLY think they're Gallentean?
At an Imperial Armaments training facility?
Teaching a Templar of all things?
lol. I want you to think about all of that, and why it's so wrong..........
I think I'm just going to pretend you don't exist from now on. If you don't believe proof well...what can you say.
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Dagger-Two
Tharumec
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Posted - 2014.06.17 00:19:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
But you've given no proof that they have. You gave a very low possibility that it could be true.
Yet I've given multiple levels of proof. All ingame.
Oh god I promised myself I would just leave this alone, but I can't resist.
You realize that game-play in EVE is NOT necessarily lore, right?
Did you know that, in lore, camera drones have to move INSIDE a ship while it jumps through a gate? When a capsuleer activates a gate, he loses his 'sight' outside his ship. In EVE though, we have a nice transition animation, because its nicer than a black screen. This is for game-play purposes only.
Here's another good one.
Riddle me this: how long do you think it takes a capsuleer to go from captains quarters to pod to ship to undocking?
In game it takes just a few seconds. Guess what, in the reality of the game world, it would take (insert best guess here. 20 min? maybe less if you have high priority clearance and prepping for pod insertion is a simple thing).
The fact you can undock in 5 seconds does not mean that is how it is in lore.
The same can be said for any vast number of things.
If you cant / don't want to understand that, then you REALLY have no place discussing things like lore and immersion.
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Dagger-Two
Tharumec
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Posted - 2014.06.17 02:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:
It physically pains me that you're making me stay up so I can give you examples how how wrong you are, but I'll get over it.
From the story 'Theodicy' : (Hint: The guards are Amarrian)
He ran through crowds of flashing knives and spilled blood; past men clutching at their Glaive-collars with one hand and bashing Amarrians with the other. With abdominal pain intensifying every step, he hurled himself into a lift and shut the door. The elevator began rocketing upwards amidst a hail of bullets. Guards filed into a second lift and gave chase.
Or from Templar One, when Vince is training with some weapons:
"Arrayed before him were plasma rifles, arc cannons, various explosives, and electronics, all of which he could explain the inner workings of in intimate detail, down to the smallest nuance"
And while, granted, it never says a MAKE for the plasma rifles, do you REALLY think they're Gallentean?
At an Imperial Armaments training facility?
Teaching a Templar of all things?
lol. I want you to think about all of that, and why it's so wrong.......... I think I'm just going to pretend you don't exist from now on. If you don't believe proof well...what can you say. But you didn't give proof........ Yet I gave ingame proof that they don't. You are trying to argue that a game...... barely finished and missing masses of content is somehow more logically sound in determining which empires use what weapons with someone who has spend more time playing EVE than most people on the forums and with those who have PRIME FICTION on their side being the lore from which players actively draw information and role play from. Godin, frankly you are not as smart and infallible with your suggestions as you think you are, you seem to have this narrow field of vision where your suggestions are right and those who have greater understanding of the universe of New Eden and its workings do not. Frankly given these displays you are in no place whatsoever to critique anyone who makes any suggestion related to advancing the lore and immersive aspects of this game because you have shown here you do not have the requisite knowledge of New Eden, and are not willing to accept the reasoning of those who do. Using LOGIC Godin considering that clone soldiers are new technology as established by prime fiction through Templar One, though most people despite the authors space opera style, we can assume that any and all tech we currently use for Dust 514 is specifically made and designed for clone use and thus was only developed within the time Dust has been considered Canon. Additionally as Theodicy is considered prime fiction it words undeniable from a lore perspective unless stated otherwise. As such prior to and most likely concurrently within Prime Fiction it is logical to assume all Empires would make use of all forms of Technologies.
Adamance, have I ever mentioned how much I bro-love you?
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Dagger-Two
Tharumec
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Posted - 2014.06.17 02:36:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
But you've given no proof that they have. You gave a very low possibility that it could be true.
Yet I've given multiple levels of proof. All ingame.
Oh god I promised myself I would just leave this alone, but I can't resist. You realize that game-play in EVE is NOT necessarily lore, right? Did you know that, in lore, camera drones have to move INSIDE a ship while it jumps through a gate? When a capsuleer activates a gate, he loses his 'sight' outside his ship. In EVE though, we have a nice transition animation, because its nicer than a black screen. This is for game-play purposes only. Here's another good one. Riddle me this: how long do you think it takes a capsuleer to go from captains quarters to pod to ship to undocking? In game it takes just a few seconds. Guess what, in the reality of the game world, it would take (insert best guess here. 20 min? maybe less if you have high priority clearance and prepping for pod insertion is a simple thing). The fact you can undock in 5 seconds does not mean that is how it is in lore. The same can be said for any vast number of things. If you cant / don't want to understand that, then you REALLY have no place discussing things like lore and immersion. That has nothing to do with the fact that there has nver been any proof that Caldari makes blaster tech. Again, where's my Cal Navy Heavy Neutrons if they do? Where's my ika PLC? Where's my State Ion Pistol?
I honestly can't believe you are this dense.
The fact they're not in GAME, doesn't mean they're not in LORE.
READ
"These weapons are produced by Caldari and Gallente arms manufacturers. Examples include the Gistii-10 and the Pithum-2 Automatic. "
God you're frustrating.
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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