DUST Search - Announcement:A message regarding reported layoffs at CCP

Vrain Matari wrote:

Fox Gaden wrote:

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Most of the sources spoken to for this piece identified the same problematic CCP manager, who had little vision for what the finished game would look like.

GÇ£Not once could he answer any question about moment-to-moment gameplay or areas of focus,GÇ¥ says one source. GÇ£Instead, he preferred to deliver buzzword-laden ramblesGÇª It was not uncommon for him to communicate in onomatopoeia.

"I once saw him looking over the shoulder of a programmer at some bit of User Interface the poor guy had hacked together. He straightened up, put fingers to lips and said, GÇÿNo, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhhGÇÖ He hissed on his ******* fingertips, like the air coming out of a bicycle tire, and then just walked away.GÇ¥

I am glad we have CCP Rouge in charge of Legion. While he took a lot of flack for the DUST 514 keynote, I have seen enough recordings of him talking about the games in smaller events at Fan Fest to be confident that he has a clear vision for the game.

Perhaps he does have a clear vision of the game, what that might be though is an open question because other than the necessary platitudes that vision hasn't been presented to us.

If CCP Z's accessibility proposal is any indication of Rouge's vision then i'm worried.

But it's deeper than that - there are old guard elements at CCP that are destroying the company and what they have created with New Eden. Rouge has no control over that.

There something rotten in CCP, and it looks like it's in Reykjavik. The last time i said this was almost two years ago and the CPM jumped all over me.

CCP is wounded and the infection has gone gangrenous. There's only one way out of that situation and it isn't pretty.

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Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 1773	Posted - 2014.06.05 21:01:00 - [31] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: You got rid of 49 people who were working on nothing? I find that difficult to believe. If they were working on something, it effects the game's development. Theres lies, damn lies and CCP LIES!!
Eko Sol Strange Playings 455	Posted - 2014.06.05 22:09:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Hey Guys, As some of you may have heard today, thereGÇÖs been reports of job cuts here at CCP in the gaming media. As part of our strategy to focus on the EVE Universe, today we conducted a restructuring that resulted in the layoff of 49 people in our publishing organization. This has been a really tough decision for us to make, and though itGÇÖs hard to say goodbye to our friends and family, this action concludes the process we started several months ago to restructure CCP. CCP has provided severance packages and job placement assistance for all those employees who are affected, and we wish them all the best for the future. In terms of what this means for our games, development teams and plans for EVE Online, EVE: Valkyrie, DUST 514, and GÇ£Project LegionGÇ¥ are not impacted by the restructuring that has taken place today. If you'd like to discuss what's happened today, feel free to do so in this thread. Thanks, - F Sorry, but this is a joke. How to give reasonable severance packages and help people get jobs when you can't fix a sprint glitch in a FPS game? How many game publishers need to be successful from crowdsourcing before CCP does the same thing? I'm sick of companies calling it a restructuring. Why do leadership keep their jobs but not the ones working 15 hours a week for chump change? It's a joke. Restructuring = poor leaderships paychecks will get smaller if they don't fire people PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
General John Ripper 22343	Posted - 2014.06.05 22:53:00 - [33] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Hey Guys, As some of you may have heard today, thereGÇÖs been reports of job cuts here at CCP in the gaming media. As part of our strategy to focus on the EVE Universe, today we conducted a restructuring that resulted in the layoff of 49 people in our publishing organization. This has been a really tough decision for us to make, and though itGÇÖs hard to say goodbye to our friends and family, this action concludes the process we started several months ago to restructure CCP. CCP has provided severance packages and job placement assistance for all those employees who are affected, and we wish them all the best for the future. In terms of what this means for our games, development teams and plans for EVE Online, EVE: Valkyrie, DUST 514, and GÇ£Project LegionGÇ¥ are not impacted by the restructuring that has taken place today. If you'd like to discuss what's happened today, feel free to do so in this thread. Thanks, - F Sorry, but this is a joke. How to give reasonable severance packages and help people get jobs when you can't fix a sprint glitch in a FPS game? How many game publishers need to be successful from crowdsourcing before CCP does the same thing? I'm sick of companies calling it a restructuring. Why do leadership keep their jobs but not the ones working 15 hours a week for chump change? It's a joke. Restructuring = poor leaderships paychecks will get smaller if they don't fire people I have to agree. I don't really blame the dev's anymore or as much as I used too. Once I started realizing the REAL problem, which was management and the higher ups then all I can really feel for the dev's is just being sorry for them. They are nice guys and take alot of **** from the community and they have to continue going on with a smile. Getting pressured by both the player base and the horrible higher ups... and for what? chump change as you put it! I just read this... http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Reviews-E159347.htm and every one says the exact same thing under cons... MANAGEMENT IS THE PROBLEM. and this is not going back to just recently. reviews from this year to years and many years ago all say the same thing. The problem has existed for a long time and nothing has been done. CCP has the funding to creating triple A games. CCP has the developer work force... The one thing CCP doesn't have is an actual brain at the helm. Your heart's desire is to be told some mystery. The mystery is that there is no mystery. I am the Alpha and the Omega.
Immortal John Ripper 22349	Posted - 2014.06.05 22:53:00 - [34] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Hey Guys, As some of you may have heard today, thereGÇÖs been reports of job cuts here at CCP in the gaming media. As part of our strategy to focus on the EVE Universe, today we conducted a restructuring that resulted in the layoff of 49 people in our publishing organization. This has been a really tough decision for us to make, and though itGÇÖs hard to say goodbye to our friends and family, this action concludes the process we started several months ago to restructure CCP. CCP has provided severance packages and job placement assistance for all those employees who are affected, and we wish them all the best for the future. In terms of what this means for our games, development teams and plans for EVE Online, EVE: Valkyrie, DUST 514, and GÇ£Project LegionGÇ¥ are not impacted by the restructuring that has taken place today. If you'd like to discuss what's happened today, feel free to do so in this thread. Thanks, - F Sorry, but this is a joke. How to give reasonable severance packages and help people get jobs when you can't fix a sprint glitch in a FPS game? How many game publishers need to be successful from crowdsourcing before CCP does the same thing? I'm sick of companies calling it a restructuring. Why do leadership keep their jobs but not the ones working 15 hours a week for chump change? It's a joke. Restructuring = poor leaderships paychecks will get smaller if they don't fire people I have to agree. I don't really blame the dev's anymore or as much as I used too. Once I started realizing the REAL problem, which was management and the higher ups then all I can really feel for the dev's is just being sorry for them. They are nice guys and take alot of **** from the community and they have to continue going on with a smile. Getting pressured by both the player base and the horrible higher ups... and for what? chump change as you put it! I just read this... http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Reviews-E159347.htm and every one says the exact same thing under cons... MANAGEMENT IS THE PROBLEM. and this is not going back to just recently. reviews from this year to years and many years ago all say the same thing. The problem has existed for a long time and nothing has been done. CCP has the funding to creating triple A games. CCP has the developer work force... The one thing CCP doesn't have is an actual brain at the helm. Your heart's desire is to be told some mystery. The mystery is that there is no mystery. I am the Alpha and the Omega.
PLAYSTTION GamersForChrist 163	Posted - 2014.06.05 22:55:00 - [35] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: CCP had 49 Publishing staff? Just how big is CCP anyway? Is the marketing guy who decided that it would be a good idea to not tell any of the DUST players about Legion until the DUST 514 Keynote among those 49? I believe there are 500 something employees 44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7) Open Beta Vet 23mil sp R.I.P Dust 514
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 84	Posted - 2014.06.05 23:22:00 - [36] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: so the hardworking staff get the shaft and idots reasonable for the awful ***-ups are left in charge does not seem fair to me, why doen't the CEO come here or on the EvE forums and explain to us how he not going to continue to drive his company into the ground. ...my feeling on this subject have been getting worse when i found out hemliar got his freaking fluff team to write the apology of incerna That's why rich people love capitalism; when sht goes AWOL, you lower the companies cost by firing people. THis is kind of a better explanation as to how the corporate culture at CCP and tons of other places REALLY work: http://www.thesraid.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/dilbert2007114666026.gif
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2123	Posted - 2014.06.06 03:42:00 - [37] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: From theguardian article. Quote: Most of the sources spoken to for this piece identified the same problematic CCP manager, who had little vision for what the finished game would look like. GÇ£Not once could he answer any question about moment-to-moment gameplay or areas of focus,GÇ¥ says one source. GÇ£Instead, he preferred to deliver buzzword-laden ramblesGÇª It was not uncommon for him to communicate in onomatopoeia. "I once saw him looking over the shoulder of a programmer at some bit of User Interface the poor guy had hacked together. He straightened up, put fingers to lips and said, GÇÿNo, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhhGÇÖ He hissed on his ******* fingertips, like the air coming out of a bicycle tire, and then just walked away.GÇ¥ I am glad we have CCP Rouge in charge of Legion. While he took a lot of flack for the DUST 514 keynote, I have seen enough recordings of him talking about the games in smaller events at Fan Fest to be confident that he has a clear vision for the game. Perhaps he does have a clear vision of the game, what that might be though is an open question because other than the necessary platitudes that vision hasn't been presented to us. If CCP Z's accessibility proposal is any indication of Rouge's vision then i'm worried. But it's deeper than that - there are old guard elements at CCP that are destroying the company and what they have created with New Eden. Rouge has no control over that. There something rotten in CCP, and it looks like it's in Reykjavik. The last time i said this was almost two years ago and the CPM jumped all over me. CCP is wounded and the infection has gone gangrenous. There's only one way out of that situation and it isn't pretty. PSN: RationalSpark
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 86	Posted - 2014.06.06 04:18:00 - [38] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: From theguardian article. Quote: Most of the sources spoken to for this piece identified the same problematic CCP manager, who had little vision for what the finished game would look like. GÇ£Not once could he answer any question about moment-to-moment gameplay or areas of focus,GÇ¥ says one source. GÇ£Instead, he preferred to deliver buzzword-laden ramblesGÇª It was not uncommon for him to communicate in onomatopoeia. "I once saw him looking over the shoulder of a programmer at some bit of User Interface the poor guy had hacked together. He straightened up, put fingers to lips and said, GÇÿNo, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhhGÇÖ He hissed on his ******* fingertips, like the air coming out of a bicycle tire, and then just walked away.GÇ¥ I am glad we have CCP Rouge in charge of Legion. While he took a lot of flack for the DUST 514 keynote, I have seen enough recordings of him talking about the games in smaller events at Fan Fest to be confident that he has a clear vision for the game. Perhaps he does have a clear vision of the game, what that might be though is an open question because other than the necessary platitudes that vision hasn't been presented to us. If CCP Z's accessibility proposal is any indication of Rouge's vision then i'm worried. But it's deeper than that - there are old guard elements at CCP that are destroying the company and what they have created with New Eden. Rouge has no control over that. There something rotten in CCP, and it looks like it's in Reykjavik. The last time i said this was almost two years ago and the CPM jumped all over me. CCP is wounded and the infection has gone gangrenous. There's only one way out of that situation and it isn't pretty. I think that's why I love how FF14 redid their launch because they announced initially "we're making a roadmap of what wish to achieve and what we wish to do". It obviously didn't happen over night but saying to your playerbase you're making a plan-of-action that you will present and have tentative dates in monthly periods of how you wish to proceed makes everyone feel you're being serious and instills some calm. That's what Dust514 really needs, a roadmap of what will happen will happen in the future as well as what is being addressed right now and how they intend to proceed with it. Gamers will forgive them I feel if they miss deadlines by a few weeks; a long as we see progress that's what we honestly need but it's that feeling of being left in the dark and just wondering which makes us all not hold our breadth over Dust.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 5110	Posted - 2014.06.06 04:28:00 - [39] - Quote CCP = Cut Cost Productions? And don't start feeling pity for Devs just because they have to put up with CCP's terrible management. No level of bad management should turn hills into quicksand. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4349	Posted - 2014.06.06 05:04:00 - [40] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: CCP = Cut Cost Productions? And don't start feeling pity for Devs just because they have to put up with CCP's terrible management. No level of bad management should turn hills into quicksand. Pity is all I have left. There's probably more freedom behind the Great Firewall of China then there is in the Iceland offices.

Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 148	Posted - 2014.06.07 11:14:00 - [41] - Quote just more drama for the capsuleers and capsulettes in training yawn. neckbeards... dinosaurs for legion, oh wait i won't be playing it
Tony Calif Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2539	Posted - 2014.06.07 12:54:00 - [42] - Quote CCP deserves to fail cascade & collapse. Nothing fresh or inventive in the last 10 years. Reminds me of UK car manufacturer Rover. Chronic mismanagement, to the point where the frontline workers don't give a **. Then you have a viscous circle... Just stop giving a about a ** poor company who have sat on their laurels for too long. If there are any good DEVs, artists and coders left, just get out and let Hilmar have his "party at the top of the world" on his own. See if he still blames the workforce when the workforce is gone... Maybe he'll blame climate change.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 5918	Posted - 2014.06.07 17:39:00 - [43] - Quote I'd love to be a higher up at CCP. Sit around my circle of Bros all day and get drunk and be condescending to people below me? Who wouldn't want that? Of all sad words of tongue and pen the saddest are these, 'it might have been'
Sneaky Fletcher Three-body Solution 67	Posted - 2014.06.08 01:24:00 - [44] - Quote Immortal John Ripper wrote: http://www.polygon.com/2014/6/5/5782190/ccp-iceland-layoffs-eve-online http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf This article worries me. ...oh enlightening...
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 114	Posted - 2014.06.08 11:35:00 - [45] - Quote Skyhound Solbrave wrote: Here is what I don't understand about people who are buying gaming rigs NOW just to play Legion in the future. The problems that exist currently in Dust, will exist in Legion. Matchmaking is still terrible. However, the absolute worst thing about Dust was the horrid balancing. EVERYTHING CCP makes is OP and ends up having to be re-balanced. Just look at vehicles. The staff that CCP has are not able to make a good game. Anyone buying a gaming rig now can play EVE. Or many games that are available from good companies with developers that know what they are doing. If you truly know someone that is buying a gaming rig to play a game that has yet to be greenlit I would love to have their name. Or you could sell them the Brooklyn bridge and I would settle for a finders fee. As to the other points I didn't cut out of the quote there is no matchmaking in EVE or dust and there never will be. Don't expect it in legion either. Besides allowing the users to use the most glorious (aka useless but management thinks its pretty) star map to find the level of security they are willing to play PvE in. None that I know are planning on PvP, only PvE. Which is quite funny to me, big deal new game about multiplayer and the players only want to play co-op PvE. Which would have been nice in dust for that matter. Balance would have be done by someone that understood: games, game design, fps games, balance, gaming the game, responding to reasonable requests, ignoring qq from babies and being an adult. As none of these are evident from anybody at ccp I would not hold my breath. Nor should anyone anticipating project legion to become a game. All this will be funny a few short years from now when they terminate the never started project legion. Until then, it is just more of the same. Which is your last point, ccp is not able to make a good game. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 94	Posted - 2014.06.08 18:39:00 - [46] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Oh and hey!, HEY!! Is that a Star Citizen behind you?? No its Elite and this time its Dangerous. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Minwer Betamax 2.0 26	Posted - 2014.06.08 20:30:00 - [47] - Quote Reading the Guardian article brings to light a lot of significant concerns about the structure and management of CCP. I believe as players, we need to push the CSM for a reorganization of CCP to ensure that what happened with WOD and Dust cannot happen again. CCP must learn from its mistakes or it will not survive. Article here for those who have not sen it yet: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/05/world-of-darkness-the-inside-story-mmo-ccp-white-wolf Hello World!
Night 5talker 514 Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 277	Posted - 2014.06.09 09:21:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Hey Guys, As some of you may have heard today, thereGÇÖs been reports of job cuts here at CCP in the gaming media. As part of our strategy to focus on the EVE Universe, today we conducted a restructuring that resulted in the layoff of 49 people in our publishing organization. This has been a really tough decision for us to make, and though itGÇÖs hard to say goodbye to our friends and family, this action concludes the process we started several months ago to restructure CCP. CCP has provided severance packages and job placement assistance for all those employees who are affected, and we wish them all the best for the future. In terms of what this means for our games, development teams and plans for EVE Online, EVE: Valkyrie, DUST 514, and GÇ£Project LegionGÇ¥ are not impacted by the restructuring that has taken place today. If you'd like to discuss what's happened today, feel free to do so in this thread. Thanks, - F I'd personally like to ask about teams from legion or dust being moved to fix expansions at EVE (like the WoD teams). Is this happening and if so is it being reduced or stopped entirely? I understand if you can't answer, but I think just answering this (somehow with proof) would help mitigate a lot of fears surrounding DUST & Legion and the streamlining that is taking place. Gaming Freek DUST 514 YouTube Channel
Unholy HateGore highland marines 7	Posted - 2014.06.09 15:23:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: Hey Guys, As some of you may have heard today, thereGÇÖs been reports of job cuts here at CCP in the gaming media. As part of our strategy to focus on the EVE Universe, today we conducted a restructuring that resulted in the layoff of 49 people in our publishing organization. This has been a really tough decision for us to make, and though itGÇÖs hard to say goodbye to our friends and family, this action concludes the process we started several months ago to restructure CCP. CCP has provided severance packages and job placement assistance for all those employees who are affected, and we wish them all the best for the future. In terms of what this means for our games, development teams and plans for EVE Online, EVE: Valkyrie, DUST 514, and GÇ£Project LegionGÇ¥ are not impacted by the restructuring that has taken place today. If you'd like to discuss what's happened today, feel free to do so in this thread. Thanks, - F What ever, CCP is prob going to let Dust die. What a shame. I believe it is an awesome game and have never had a game hook me like Dust has. Will be sad to see it go.
noname warrior Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 69	Posted - 2014.06.13 01:35:00 - [50] - Quote Sniff... And yeah I do feel for those who've lost jobs. I've been laid off. I know what it's like. But.... Last time I logged on, which was about a week ago, I noticed about 27,000 players in the "Eve Universe". Prior to 1.7 "update" that number would have probably been double that. So, a prudent and inquisitive mind might have deduced that the 1.7 and 1.8 updates have been soundly and thoroughly rejected by those who were and no longer are active Dust players. You people effed this thing up royally with those incredibly misguided and poorly designed "updates" and... here we are. You had thousands of people who enjoyed playing this game and then you decided stupidly to hand this game over to one single type of player so that every other type of player got so totally pissed and alienated that they became a non player. And more importantly, non buyers of Aurems. If I looked up "dumb-ass' in the dictionary right now, I bet I'd see CCP mentioned prominently in the definition.



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