Hmm can you get a list of accuracy rating for the guns you trailed? also any notable differences between tiers?

Can you do one of these for the sniper rifles?


Munch

I'm forming the analysis as we speak, consisting of three components

1) comparable dps per class (std-adv-pro) between comparable styles

breach AR vs rail rifle
burst AR vs combat rifle
tactical AR vs scrambler rifle
AR vs assault variants

2) dps per PG/CPU invested

There are lots of obvious things in the world, and some of them need fixing. I prefer doing that systematically with data.

Timing, Bravo, Charlie, not sure yet, we need to prioritize our focal points, Sidearms anyone?

I'm forming the analysis as we speak, consisting of three components

1) comparable dps per class (std-adv-pro) between comparable styles

breach AR vs rail rifle
burst AR vs combat rifle
tactical AR vs scrambler rifle
AR vs assault variants

2) dps per PG/CPU invested

3) user experience/differentiating factors (clip, ammo, heat, accuracy, range)

This will end in madness, spreadsheets and tears.

yes my tears as my ASR is nerfed for having one of the highest dps if you count headshots

ASR?

Do you mean AScR?

ScR doesn't have the headshot bonus.

WHAT?!?!? WHEN THEY TAKE THAT AWAY? thats what seperates the ASR from combat rifles!

I'm forming the analysis as we speak, consisting of three components

1) comparable dps per class (std-adv-pro) between comparable styles

breach AR vs rail rifle
burst AR vs combat rifle
tactical AR vs scrambler rifle
AR vs assault variants

2) dps per PG/CPU invested

3) user experience/differentiating factors (clip, ammo, heat, accuracy, range)

This will end in madness, spreadsheets and tears.

There are lots of obvious things in the world, and some of them need fixing. I prefer doing that systematically with data.

Timing, Bravo, Charlie, not sure yet, we need to prioritize our focal points, Sidearms anyone?

Since the RR is basically a toned down full-auto sniper rifle, I feel that it's ADS view should be less accurate while standing than while crouching. It has more range than any other anti-infantry light weapon other than the sniper rifle, so having the drawback of having a somewhat wobbly scope while standing and shooting seems balanced to me.

Just my opinion though.

Anyway, +1 Aeon, great post.

ps: You're my #2 pick for CPM1 after Cross Atu. Keep up the good work.

I just want to chime in that I want to keep my Breach AR.
I prefer it a far bit more over the vanilla AR, because it feels like it has more impact in my hands.
Yes, it's ****. But I simply like this weapon. It basically feels like a light version of the HMG to me.

Remember that comparable DPS isn't everything. If you give me two weapons with the same DPS and one has longer range, I'm going to go with the one with the longer range.

Tactical AR is going to be hard to balance, I feel, because of the Scrambler's ability to charge-up. Could probably have higher damage rounds at the expense of a lower range, mag count, and lack of ability to charge-up. It's worth a look, if anything.

Burst AR and Combat Rifle should be comparable, that much I'll agree with. It'd be a decent change that would give some flavor to their usage - one for faster fire and the other for more controlled, traditional burst fire.

Flaylock Pistol, imo, should be an AV sidearm. It'd be the only one so it'd give players an option to go pure AV or use it as a legitimate alternative to their arsenal - not exactly going to be killing any infantry with it right now anyway.

I also ran through my burst AR's yesterday (died a LOT during THAT run, had 77 Allotek's left over from a year ago to burn through ). I used to use the Burst AR exclusively in Chromosome and a lot pre-Chromosome, and I think a return of the old 5-round or 7-round burst might be in order. The delay between bursts and the length of the burst are both in a good place and always have been, and it's range (though cumbersome when compared to the CR) is decent as well, though it's optimum could afford to be moved out a bit.

I'm forming the analysis as we speak, consisting of three components

1) comparable dps per class (std-adv-pro) between comparable styles

breach AR vs rail rifle
burst AR vs combat rifle
tactical AR vs scrambler rifle
AR vs assault variants

2) dps per PG/CPU invested

3) user experience/differentiating factors (clip, ammo, heat, accuracy, range)

This will end in madness, spreadsheets and tears.

Now, this was originally part of my first post but I decide to snip it since it didn't have much to do with hip-fire, but I did want to get it out there.



Breach AR

Apart from being just generally bad at everything it does for a variety of reasons, the weapon's description even says it has tighter hip-fire... Which may have been the case when it was first released but as I've seen through in-game testing, it has the exact same hip-fire as the Assault Rifle, save for when crouching. But if you're going to use that, you might as well just use the Rail Rifle which has:

Even better hip-fire whilst crouching

More damage per round

More rounds per magazine

Better rate of fire

Longer range

Cheaper.

Not to mention, you get a scope.

The only things that the Breach Assault Rifle has over the Rail Rifle is that it's easier to fit and it's more geared toward shielded targets, but in that case you might as well use ANYTHING ELSE because you will still kill them faster.

Tactical AR

There is a -LIST- of things that are wrong with this weapon and euthanasia might be the only option for it at this point. Anything it can do, the Scrambler Rifle can do better. There is no value to this gun at all. I know a lot of the Scrambler Rifle zealots will call "overheat" on this one but here goes; With the Scrambler Rifle you would get:

More damage per round

Faster rate of fire

More rounds in the magazine

Longer range

Better damage profile against shielded targets

More rounds fired before it overheats than the TAR has in it's magazine (even without an Amarr Assault suit)

Ability to charge-up for 3x the damage

Cheaper

-AND- it has better hip-fire accuracy.

Suffice to say there is literally -NOTHING- going for the Tactical Assault Rifle other than it's CPU/PG costs, which if that's your primary concern you might as well just use the Combat Rifle since it's generally better at everything that Tactical Assault Rifle does as well.

Just my personal opinion but I'm totally down to just pull the plug on these two at this point.

I know a lot of the Scrambler Rifle zealots will call "overheat" on this one but here goes

The bolt pistol isn't something I've used that much. I don't think it's that great a weapon, although Moody seems quite enamoured with it and it's just had a bugfix that really helps it, so I can't really comment on that one.

Interesting. I gotta say, I didn't expect so many people to rally up to keep it alive, but it's definitely inspiring.

Any thoughts on how you'd like to see it improved?