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Scheneighnay McBob T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 5142	Posted - 2014.06.03 23:30:00 - [1] - Quote As Sony's main F2P cross-platform game http://warthunder.com/en/news/634/current/ Sure as hell not the same genre as Dust, but I've played it myself and the quality might explain why the big switch to legion, rather than continuing to motorboat sony, happened. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä
Seamie Schmoove Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 232	Posted - 2014.06.03 23:36:00 - [2] - Quote Groundforces launching on it today after server maintenance too... Playing the game badly since Replication
Michael Arck 4589	Posted - 2014.06.03 23:40:00 - [3] - Quote Have gamers not learned to stop overhyping crap and especially stop posting "Dust Killers"? As if you can play only game at a time, lol. Didn't you guys learn from Watch Dogs, Aliens: Colonial Marines and such? Wait till it comes out and see what's what. Stop overhyping crap that sounds mediocre as ever. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Scheneighnay McBob T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 5143	Posted - 2014.06.03 23:51:00 - [4] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Have gamers not learned to stop overhyping crap and especially stop posting "Dust Killers"? As if you can play only game at a time, lol. Didn't you guys learn from Watch Dogs, Aliens: Colonial Marines and such? Wait till it comes out and see what's what. Stop overhyping crap that sounds mediocre as ever. I'm saying this already happened, not that it's happening. War Thunder simply took Dust's niche of sony's F2P game where PC and console players play together. Just being on PS4 by default would've caused sony to stop giving a **** about Dust. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä
Michael Arck 4589	Posted - 2014.06.03 23:58:00 - [5] - Quote No, F2P games are being welcomed to console gamers now. It's been going on for quite some time but MMORPGs, F2P and P2P are all new avenues being explored by consoles. Primarily the first two. I would go on to say that they capitalized on Namco Bandai's decision to have Ace Combat Infinity on PS3. People were disappointed that it didn't come to PS4. Couple that with the F2P craze that console community just now getting attached to, they see a possible winning formula. Quite interesting Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2516	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:19:00 - [6] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: As Sony's main F2P cross-platform game http://warthunder.com/en/news/634/current/ Sure as hell not the same genre as Dust, but I've played it myself and the quality might explain why the big switch to legion, rather than continuing to motorboat sony, happened. WT is **** on PS4 though............. EDIT: and no, not due to performance or graphics. I quite like the look of WT on PS4, and last time I checked, it's locked at 60 FPS (which is what I have, because 120 I find is odd looking in flight sims, but I turn it to 120 FPS for GF). The controls are horrible, and the UI is garbage. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Scheneighnay McBob T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 5145	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:27:00 - [7] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Scheneighnay McBob wrote: As Sony's main F2P cross-platform game http://warthunder.com/en/news/634/current/ Sure as hell not the same genre as Dust, but I've played it myself and the quality might explain why the big switch to legion, rather than continuing to motorboat sony, happened. WT is **** on PS4 though............. EDIT: and no, not due to performance or graphics. I quite like the look of WT on PS4, and last time I checked, it's locked at 60 FPS (which is what I have, because 120 I find is odd looking in flight sims, but I turn it to 120 FPS for GF). The controls are horrible, and the UI is garbage. I've personally never played in on PS4, but I can't imagine a problem with controls. I feel like the joystick would be easier than a mouse. Plus the UI is for carebears who don't use cockpit view. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1683	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:29:00 - [8] - Quote I've heard good things about War Thunder and I'm downloading it now while I'm at work. I'm sure its not as complex as what CCP has failed to do with Dust, but at the same time it does point out to me that better developers can do things that CCP cannot because CCP is at its core a very poorly managed company that has been able to put out one game in 10 years and that game is modestly successful at best. A half million accounts is success by CCP standards but any other MMO would probably shut down with such low numbers. Anyway, I think anyone but a CCP fanboy knows they are a joke when it comes to game developers and knows why. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 110	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:31:00 - [9] - Quote Considering that the fighter on the front page is a propeller driven P-51 I think you might be confused as to the thunder expected about playing immortal mercenaries in space killing each other to lose money and need to buy aurum to survive. Specifically, there aren't any propellers in dust. Maybe on the beanie caps of the developers but I have yet to see such. Different game at the most basic level. On the PC front Sony has beaten them to project legion with planetside2. Amazing game, keyboard controls, will be on PS4, open world, multiple continents and you can actually run/sprint across the entire continent without having to wait for your stamina to recover. And you don't lose money playing the game. Vehicles are available if you have resources and can access a vehicle terminal. So no, you cannot drop a tank on top of a building. For me the best thing is it is not connected to new eden, eve nor ccp. As far as the PVE stuff there are already games that do that and aren't by a company that is known for harden the f*k up as the corporate video. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Scheneighnay McBob T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 5146	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:34:00 - [10] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: I've heard good things about War Thunder and I'm downloading it now while I'm at work. I'm sure its not as complex as what CCP has failed to do with Dust, but at the same time it does point out to me that better developers can do things that CCP cannot because CCP is at its core a very poorly managed company that has been able to put out one game in 10 years and that game is modestly successful at best. A half million accounts is success by CCP standards but any other MMO would probably shut down with such low numbers. Anyway, I think anyone but a CCP fanboy knows they are a joke when it comes to game developers and knows why. Gaijin isn't any better than CCP- they say the game is historically accurate, then make russian planes overpowered to the point of historical inaccuracy (believe it or not, gaijin is a russian company, not japanese) You also can't really compare the complexity to Dust, as they're completely different games, with different goals in mind. War Thunder is a WWII/Korean War flight sim (now with tanks, eventually with ships), while Dust is a fantasy MMOFPS. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè

Scheneighnay McBob T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan 5146	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:34:00 - [11] - Quote Glyd Path wrote: Considering that the fighter on the front page is a propeller driven P-51 I think you might be confused as to the thunder expected about playing immortal mercenaries in space killing each other to lose money and need to buy aurum to survive. Specifically, there aren't any propellers in dust. Maybe on the beanie caps of the developers but I have yet to see such. Different game at the most basic level. On the PC front Sony has beaten them to project legion with planetside2. Amazing game, keyboard controls, will be on PS4, open world, multiple continents and you can actually run/sprint across the entire continent without having to wait for your stamina to recover. And you don't lose money playing the game. Vehicles are available if you have resources and can access a vehicle terminal. So no, you cannot drop a tank on top of a building. For me the best thing is it is not connected to new eden, eve nor ccp. As far as the PVE stuff there are already games that do that and aren't by a company that is known for harden the f*k up as the corporate video. War thunder is far older than PS2 péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Michael Arck 4590	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:37:00 - [12] - Quote PS2 sucks, really. It'll be fun for the console folks for a short while before they burn through that and desire more. Console gamers are constantly hungry. If you don't feed them, they become rabid and unstable Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 117	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:42:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: PS2 sucks, really. It'll be fun for the console folks for a short while before they burn through that and desire more. Console gamers are constantly hungry. If you don't feed them, they become rabid and unstable Damn console players, they ruin the whole gaming world Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Espartoi Orkz Clan 206	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:45:00 - [14] - Quote And what if they put King Tigers? or the Messerschmitt Me 262?. Shoot, Smash, Stomp.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1683	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:46:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: PS2 sucks, really. It'll be fun for the console folks for a short while before they burn through that and desire more. Console gamers are constantly hungry. If you don't feed them, they become rabid and unstable Well when you have a fairly constant flow of decent to good games come through you get like that. Sorry we don't play the same ****** game for years. But seriously, this console gamer logged countless hours into Dust, supported it financially, and would have stuck with it for years if they actual delivered on promises. By the way the data on the number of Steam games that are purchased and never finished show that PC gamers are no different from console gamers in that regard jackass. Its modern consumerism and it knows no console bias. Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Michael Arck 4591	Posted - 2014.06.04 00:57:00 - [16] - Quote Freccia di Lybra wrote: Michael Arck wrote: PS2 sucks, really. It'll be fun for the console folks for a short while before they burn through that and desire more. Console gamers are constantly hungry. If you don't feed them, they become rabid and unstable Damn console players, they ruin the whole gaming world I expected nothing less from a drama queen. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 118	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:02:00 - [17] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Freccia di Lybra wrote: Michael Arck wrote: PS2 sucks, really. It'll be fun for the console folks for a short while before they burn through that and desire more. Console gamers are constantly hungry. If you don't feed them, they become rabid and unstable Damn console players, they ruin the whole gaming world I expected nothing less from a drama queen. Oh, now you can even feel the sarcasm! Good to know! Seriously, I really think your problem are your prejudices, you look smart enough to understand what I'm referring to. Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
Michael Arck 4592	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:06:00 - [18] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Michael Arck wrote: PS2 sucks, really. It'll be fun for the console folks for a short while before they burn through that and desire more. Console gamers are constantly hungry. If you don't feed them, they become rabid and unstable Well when you have a fairly constant flow of decent to good games come through you get like that. Sorry we don't play the same **** game for years. But seriously, this console gamer logged countless hours into Dust, supported it financially, and would have stuck with it for years if they actual delivered on promises. By the way the data on the number of Steam games that are purchased and never finished show that PC gamers are no different from console gamers in that regard jackass. Its modern consumerism and it knows no console bias. If a promiscuous chick said to you to come over and then changed her mind, you would liken that to what happened with Dust 514. Kill that noise man. You're worst than a broken record. You have said that same post in a hundred different ways. Sorry yall don't play the same game for years? You kidding me right? Assassin's Creed/Watch Dogs? But yall don't play the same game for years? Battlefield. Call of Duty. God of War series? Madden? GTA and GTA clones? My post isn't about CCP/Dust and damn sure isn't about PC vs Console gamers. Refute the truth if you want, but console gamers always want content and they always want the same damn thing. Any change to the formula and you will find a bunch of keyboard revolutionists making petitions to change that and seek death upon a developing company. That's not a negative comment or a slight. Its the way it is. Console gamers hate change. Archistrategos Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain**
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 826	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:10:00 - [19] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: PS2 sucks, really. It'll be fun for the console folks for a short while before they burn through that and desire more. Console gamers are constantly hungry. If you don't feed them, they become rabid and unstable I think the same could be said about PC gamers too with graphic cards , upgrades and such and now with a lot of cross platform from console to PC games coming out . I think PC gamers are more hungry given the fact that console gamers have a larger variety to choose from . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 826	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:14:00 - [20] - Quote Zahle Undt wrote: Michael Arck wrote: PS2 sucks, really. It'll be fun for the console folks for a short while before they burn through that and desire more. Console gamers are constantly hungry. If you don't feed them, they become rabid and unstable Well when you have a fairly constant flow of decent to good games come through you get like that. Sorry we don't play the same **** game for years. But seriously, this console gamer logged countless hours into Dust, supported it financially, and would have stuck with it for years if they actual delivered on promises. By the way the data on the number of Steam games that are purchased and never finished show that PC gamers are no different from console gamers in that regard jackass. Its modern consumerism and it knows no console bias. This is true unless you alienate one above the other . It's clear what direction that CCP has chosen . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.**

Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 846	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:18:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Have gamers not learned to stop overhyping crap and especially stop posting "Dust Killers"? As if you can play only game at a time, lol. Didn't you guys learn from Watch Dogs, Aliens: Colonial Marines and such? Wait till it comes out and see what's what. Stop overhyping crap that sounds mediocre as ever. While Warthunder is barely being released to NA servers, it has been available to EUR accounts since ps4 launch i believe... or a few months back. Many of my NA buddies created eur accounts with the sole purpose of downloading the game. It is fun and deserves the overhyping, especially now that ground forces are being introduced, not just planes but tanks too. -Pro AFKing LVL 5 -Luck is just one of my skills -Just because I make flying look easy doesn't mean it is
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 826	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:26:00 - [22] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Console gamers hate change. This just isn't true . When you look at forums from other games or see comments from gamers on a particular game , they are upset at rehashing and more or less , it's the rinse and repeat cycle that we as console gamers are forced to deal with , it's like too much too soon is too bad for business so they marginalize the games as to rinse and repeat the process for profit . That's jus the way it is for most in the console world but what can one do unless the open up their own business , but how many true gamers can do that and become successful ? Most of the producers do just that for the revenue and could care less about their product or what they produce . That's why you get rehashed games with a few changes . If real gamers produced games then you would see the passion in their work and it's why only so few companies that create games can prosper for more than twenty years . Console gamers love change and notice the little things that are a part of a game and it's universe but what options do they really have when the same companies have a stranglehold on the market and few are producing good games to begin with . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 126	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:41:00 - [23] - Quote WT also has mixed battles with tanks and planes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOD_r2iYvHM
Michael Arck 4592	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:42:00 - [24] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Console gamers hate change. This just isn't true . When you look at forums from other games or see comments from gamers on a particular game , they are upset at rehashing and more or less , it's the rinse and repeat cycle that we as console gamers are forced to deal with , it's like too much too soon is too bad for business so they marginalize the games as to rinse and repeat the process for profit . That's just the way it is for most in the console world but what can one do unless they open up their own business , but how many true gamers can do that and become successful ? Most of the producers do just that for the revenue and could care less about their product or what they produce . That's why you get rehashed games with a few changes . If real gamers produced games then you would see the passion in their work and it's why only so few companies that create games can prosper for more than twenty years . Console gamers love change and notice the little things that are a part of a game and it's universe but what options do they really have when the same companies have a stranglehold on the market and few are producing good games to begin with . How can you say its not true when franchise games rule the console gaming universe? Watch Dogs is nothing more than assassin's creed without the parkour. Bioshock Infinite is basically a COD shooter. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Michael Arck 4592	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:43:00 - [25] - Quote Sir Snugglz wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Have gamers not learned to stop overhyping crap and especially stop posting "Dust Killers"? As if you can play only game at a time, lol. Didn't you guys learn from Watch Dogs, Aliens: Colonial Marines and such? Wait till it comes out and see what's what. Stop overhyping crap that sounds mediocre as ever. While Warthunder is barely being released to NA servers, it has been available to EUR accounts since ps4 launch i believe... or a few months back. Many of my NA buddies created eur accounts with the sole purpose of downloading the game. It is fun and deserves the overhyping, especially now that ground forces are being introduced, not just planes but tanks too. That doesn't constitute as a reason why to overhype it. Because in reality, games that are often overhyped do not reach the astronomical expectations that were held for it. In other words, it crushes due under the overhype weight. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Dimashq and Al-Shams Troops of Al-Fil 826	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:44:00 - [26] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Console gamers hate change. This just isn't true . When you look at forums from other games or see comments from gamers on a particular game , they are upset at rehashing and more or less , it's the rinse and repeat cycle that we as console gamers are forced to deal with , it's like too much too soon is too bad for business so they marginalize the games as to rinse and repeat the process for profit . That's just the way it is for most in the console world but what can one do unless they open up their own business , but how many true gamers can do that and become successful ? Most of the producers do just that for the revenue and could care less about their product or what they produce . That's why you get rehashed games with a few changes . If real gamers produced games then you would see the passion in their work and it's why only so few companies that create games can prosper for more than twenty years . Console gamers love change and notice the little things that are a part of a game and it's universe but what options do they really have when the same companies have a stranglehold on the market and few are producing good games to begin with . How can you say its not true when franchise games rule the console gaming universe? Watch Dogs is nothing more than assassin's creed without the parkour. Bioshock Infinite is basically a COD shooter. It doesn't matter because you didn't understand what I wrote or I guess my English isn't good enough for you to understand . I tried to fix it for you . ^^^^^ You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
THUNDERGROOVE The Last of DusT. 890	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:47:00 - [27] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: stop posting "Dust Killers"? This, you can't kill a game with this small of a playerbase. >Team quota reached Darnit I have to wait for one of the blueberry shit LAVs to get blown up:(
Michael Arck 4592	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:51:00 - [28] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Michael Arck wrote: stop posting "Dust Killers"? This, you can't kill a game with this small of a playerbase. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Michael Arck 4592	Posted - 2014.06.04 01:54:00 - [29] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Console gamers hate change. This just isn't true . When you look at forums from other games or see comments from gamers on a particular game , they are upset at rehashing and more or less , it's the rinse and repeat cycle that we as console gamers are forced to deal with , it's like too much too soon is too bad for business so they marginalize the games as to rinse and repeat the process for profit . That's just the way it is for most in the console world but what can one do unless they open up their own business , but how many true gamers can do that and become successful ? Most of the producers do just that for the revenue and could care less about their product or what they produce . That's why you get rehashed games with a few changes . If real gamers produced games then you would see the passion in their work and it's why only so few companies that create games can prosper for more than twenty years . Console gamers love change and notice the little things that are a part of a game and it's universe but what options do they really have when the same companies have a stranglehold on the market and few are producing good games to begin with . How can you say its not true when franchise games rule the console gaming universe? Watch Dogs is nothing more than assassin's creed without the parkour. Bioshock Infinite is basically a COD shooter. It doesn't matter because you didn't understand what I wrote or I guess my English isn't good enough for you to understand . I tried to fix it for you . ^^^^^ Smh. I understood everything you said. I'm not an idiot. But you don't get my point. You just want to drive your point home, so if I don't respond in a manner that says that I am now enlightened by your post, you deem it as me not understanding you. You know why? Because you feel your opinion is truth. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 112	Posted - 2014.06.04 10:52:00 - [30] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: War thunder is far older than PS2 My point is still valid. Propellers ain't so good in space. ;-) I don't really care about the age of the games. PS2 is built on PS1 (from what little I know about the first one). Dust was built on sand and falsehoods. I loved dust and the promises but am not so much into being lied to. And even the developers say the game isn't good. At least we agree on something. If I wanted to fly prop planes then I suspect I would not have gotten into dust. Buy, enjoy what you like. Lately, PS2 scratches the itch better than dust. Didn't play 15 games between two characters during the sp event. Not worth the time. Friends weren't on PSN, didn't bother to even start dust except once. That was only for a few matches. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.

Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13974	Posted - 2014.06.04 10:56:00 - [31] - Quote DUST never had real crossplay, though. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1473	Posted - 2014.06.04 11:02:00 - [32] - Quote honestly, war thunder is a great game. and btw, it could run on a ps3 too. WT is very well optimized and could run on a toaster.
Glyd Path Nec Tributis 112	Posted - 2014.06.04 11:02:00 - [33] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: PS2 sucks, really. It'll be fun for the console folks for a short while before they burn through that and desire more. Console gamers are constantly hungry. If you don't feed them, they become rabid and unstable Seems like the definition of the modern gamer. Why limit it to your prejudices? I have heard the same complaints from the PC gamers about the same titles. It is the game, not the platform that creates the rabid atmosphere. Just bring up WoW and how long it takes to get new content. That lasts for a month. Maybe. I don't think PS2 sucks. I find it quite fun to join a battle, fight it for ~2 hours and never have to wait in the war barge to listen to aurum commercials. Not to mention checking the battle results after being on for a little while and seeing that you are 84th on your side. Nobody at CCP cares because we ain't Legionnaires.
Scheneighnay McBob The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 5150	Posted - 2014.06.04 14:29:00 - [34] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: honestly, war thunder is a great game. and btw, it could run on a ps3 too. WT is very well optimized and could run on a toaster. Can confirm As you can see, my PC is a minmatar toaster, yet still runs war thunder. péñpâ¦pé+pâìpââpâêpü«tÄïµºÿpüïpéÅpüäpüä pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 1693	Posted - 2014.06.04 18:36:00 - [35] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Console gamers hate change. This just isn't true . When you look at forums from other games or see comments from gamers on a particular game , they are upset at rehashing and more or less , it's the rinse and repeat cycle that we as console gamers are forced to deal with , it's like too much too soon is too bad for business so they marginalize the games as to rinse and repeat the process for profit . That's just the way it is for most in the console world but what can one do unless they open up their own business , but how many true gamers can do that and become successful ? Most of the producers do just that for the revenue and could care less about their product or what they produce . That's why you get rehashed games with a few changes . If real gamers produced games then you would see the passion in their work and it's why only so few companies that create games can prosper for more than twenty years . Console gamers love change and notice the little things that are a part of a game and it's universe but what options do they really have when the same companies have a stranglehold on the market and few are producing good games to begin with . How can you say its not true when franchise games rule the console gaming universe? Watch Dogs is nothing more than assassin's creed without the parkour. Bioshock Infinite is basically a COD shooter. LOL you just destroyed any credibility your opinion might have had. Yeah Bioshock is just a CoD shooter, except for the great story, zipline mechanics, special powers from vigors, the absolute best companion AI character ever created, and a vastly different art direction. Thats like saying Skyrim is the same as CoD because they both use a first person persepctive. If you think Watch Dogs is just assassin's creed then I guess you think all open world games are just assassin's creed. You should really refrain from commenting about video games again as you have shown you clearly know nothing about the subject and have apparently only ever played Eve Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.


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