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Clone D
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Posted - 2014.06.02 22:57:00 -
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I just saw a corp named GamersForChrist. It gave me a chill. I literally shivered.
What's up with proselytizing murderers?
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:07:00 -
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They've been out for a very long time. Why you care? You wouldn't mind if you saw a corporation named Satan's Minions. So who gives a ****?
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
9056
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:12:00 -
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Going on a limb here and saying that maybe, just maybe, GamersForChrist is simply a corporation of like minded people with similar beliefs and values who's goal is to congregate with each-other and have fun while doing so.
As opposed to a group of people killing virtual clones in an irrelevant video game in an attempt to convert others towards their religious beliefs.
HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior
Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :(
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10393
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:24:00 -
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Clone D wrote:I just saw a corp named GamersForChrist. It gave me a chill. I literally shivered.
What's up with proselytizing murderers? I.e. people who kill and then try to convert others to their religion.
Dude chill they are just a group of Christian gamers, or so I was told a while back, I see no reason why this section of the community deserves your derisive comments.
I do not think they are anything more than a community for those who already share beliefs. I also see no reason that anyone looking for religion or for those who wish to spread their religion should not group up for some enjoyable playing of video games.
Video games are a media form like any other despite what most people think, as such it can be used like any other media form for the same purposes. Who they are or what they do is purely up to them.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Meiko Shiraki
A.P.E.X BRUTE FORCE
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:28:00 -
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uhm... killing in a video game has nothing to do with killing in real life. They're probably just friends who go to some christian youth group, have known each other for years, and decided they want to play dust 514.
Also, last I checked, there's no preaching in Dust outside of rp-ers who are trying to convince everyone that the Amarr Empire is the greatest. Even then, they're just rp-ing and have no intention of making you convert.
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Pvt Numnutz
Watchdoge Explosives
1324
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:34:00 -
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Well this is a game so its not hurting anyone, no more than the amarr are anyway.
Besides Christians and Arabs have been doing that for centuries, kill the infidels god wills it etc etc
Now if there was a corp called tower of silence that would creep me out.... |
knight of 6
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
1992
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:42:00 -
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uhhhh. hang on i have something in my bag of tricks...
this was a flame bait thread back in the day, but it's a mildly amusing read. OP was in gamers for christ at the time of posting as an fyi.
but they're at least from what i gather exactally as Atiim said.
my gif is gone, DINKLEBURG!!
Ko6, scout
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Joe Macro
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:48:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Going on a limb here and saying that maybe, just maybe, GamersForChrist is simply a corporation of like minded people with similar beliefs and values who's goal is to congregate with each-other and have fun while doing so.
As opposed to a group of people killing virtual clones in an irrelevant video game in an attempt to convert others towards their religious beliefs.
+1
It is this. You don't have to agree or join. But, don't hate. |
Dingleburt Bangledack
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:51:00 -
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Joe Macro wrote:Atiim wrote:Going on a limb here and saying that maybe, just maybe, GamersForChrist is simply a corporation of like minded people with similar beliefs and values who's goal is to congregate with each-other and have fun while doing so.
As opposed to a group of people killing virtual clones in an irrelevant video game in an attempt to convert others towards their religious beliefs. +1 It is this. You don't have to agree or join. But, don't hate.
Here you go, OP. Truer words are rarely spoken. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10396
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:52:00 -
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Meiko Shiraki wrote:uhm... killing in a video game has nothing to do with killing in real life. They're probably just friends who go to some christian youth group, have known each other for years, and decided they want to play dust 514.
Also, last I checked, there's no preaching in Dust outside of rp-ers who are trying to convince everyone that the Amarr Empire is the greatest. Even then, they're just rp-ing and have no intention of making you convert.
Everyone likes video games. religious and atheist people alike.
No I expect you to convert 
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1755
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:53:00 -
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Let us know if you see Gamers for Pedophilia, that is something the community would be concerned about.
Otherwise perhaps learn some tolerance.
The REAL Internet King
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Derrith Erador
The Last of DusT.
1980
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:55:00 -
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And the point of your post is....? I hang out with GFC from time to time when I can't get a squad in corp. They're nice people, maybe you should let them have some fun and shoot people. You wouldn't persecute a random Atheist for playing a shooter game, why should we be any different?
Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
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Meiko Shiraki
A.P.E.X BRUTE FORCE
15
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Posted - 2014.06.02 23:57:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Meiko Shiraki wrote:uhm... killing in a video game has nothing to do with killing in real life. They're probably just friends who go to some christian youth group, have known each other for years, and decided they want to play dust 514.
Also, last I checked, there's no preaching in Dust outside of rp-ers who are trying to convince everyone that the Amarr Empire is the greatest. Even then, they're just rp-ing and have no intention of making you convert.
Everyone likes video games. religious and atheist people alike. No I expect you to convert
lol. I've gone to a few Amarr youth groups before. They were fun. we played some games, watched some Amarr Vegie Tales, ate cookies. I usually sat in the back whispering with friends though, so I never learned much about the Emperor.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10398
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Posted - 2014.06.03 00:00:00 -
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Meiko Shiraki wrote:True Adamance wrote:Meiko Shiraki wrote:uhm... killing in a video game has nothing to do with killing in real life. They're probably just friends who go to some christian youth group, have known each other for years, and decided they want to play dust 514.
Also, last I checked, there's no preaching in Dust outside of rp-ers who are trying to convince everyone that the Amarr Empire is the greatest. Even then, they're just rp-ing and have no intention of making you convert.
Everyone likes video games. religious and atheist people alike. No I expect you to convert lol. I've gone to a few Amarr youth groups before. They were fun. we played some games, watched some Amarr Vegie Tales, ate cookies. I usually sat in the back whispering with friends though, so I never learned much about the Emperor. (- . - )
Oh well just remember we have you cookies and probably took you to laser tag half a dozen times.
When the time comes you will know what to do.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Scheneighnay McBob
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
5135
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Posted - 2014.06.03 00:03:00 -
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Because Christians need to shove their religion down everyone's throats everywhere they go.
Also, there already is a group of likemined people like that- it's called the Amarr Empire.
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Derrith Erador
The Last of DusT.
1981
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Posted - 2014.06.03 00:06:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Because Christians need to shove their religion down everyone's throats everywhere they go.
Also, there already is a group of likemined people like that- it's called the Amarr Empire.
... and people wonder why I avoid GD.
Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
9068
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Posted - 2014.06.03 01:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:No I expect you to convert
You might wanna lower your expectations. 
HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior
Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :(
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tastzlike chicken
ROGUE SPADES
282
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Posted - 2014.06.03 01:32:00 -
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because Gamersforironagejewishzombies was already taken...
I support legion. - it's more of a theoretical support. Depending on the feedback I get, it may become actual support.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10403
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Posted - 2014.06.03 01:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:No I expect you to convert You might wanna lower your expectations.
I expect you to as well.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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TunRa
The Last of DusT.
General Tso's Alliance
617
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Posted - 2014.06.03 01:48:00 -
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You mean to tell me they are still around? Haven't seen them in a long time. Next you will tell me RAGING PACK OF HOMOS are still around.
You took my gif, back to FoxFour
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Clone D
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:14:00 -
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Joe Macro wrote:... You don't have to agree or join. But, don't hate.
I'm not hating. Just wondering about the whole WWJD thing. I mean are these guys only playing the medic role? I just can't imagine Christ sitting around with the disciples playing FPS games, yelling, "WTF? I had that MF! How did he get me that quick!"
What would be Jesus' favorite weapon? Knives, HMG? Or would he be dropping REs and whispering "Blessed are the patient" to himself?
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:37:00 -
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So basically you want to just talk bad about them. The human race, devolving faster than you would have ever realized. If you can let homosexuals live their life, let the believers live theirs.
Thread is just poor taste.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Clone D
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Posted - 2014.06.03 11:02:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:So basically you want to just talk bad about them. The human race, devolving faster than you would have ever realized. If you can let homosexuals live their life, let the believers live theirs.
Thread is just poor taste.
I do not consider it to be of poor taste. It is a serious quandary. I am an athiest, but I know a lot about several religions, including Christianity.
1. One of the foundational precepts of Christianity is to keep the mind pure. Doing something in your heart/mind is viewed as being the same as actually doing it in reality.
2. Does it help anyone, or show love to anyone? Christ expressly left a message of love with his actions. I cannot envision him playing this game, but I could imagine him socializing with people who do play video games.
3. It is a worldly influence that does not glorify god or promote the values of Christianity.
4. It is a direct simulation of a forbidden behavior. Thou shalt not kill.
In regard your response to my original question, there is not a strong comparison between Christianity and homosexuality. Homosexuals are not claiming to adhere to any of the above ideas, so I have no questions about why a homosexual might play FPS games.
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Izlare Lenix
Last VenDetta.
Dark Taboo
635
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:12:00 -
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Killing virtual clones is nothing compared to the death, imprisonment, torture and warfare religion has caused throughout history.
Gun control is not about guns...it's about control.
The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
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PLAYSTTION
Universal Allies Inc.
149
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:35:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Going on a limb here and saying that maybe, just maybe, GamersForChrist is simply a corporation of like minded people with similar beliefs and values who's goal is to congregate with each-other and have fun while doing so.
As opposed to a group of people killing virtual clones in an irrelevant video game in an attempt to convert others towards their religious beliefs.
^this
I am a part of GFC, we have bible study on sundays and are positive, good people. Technically no one dies in this game so one of your points is invalid. We don't swear or anything and live christian lives and hope to spread the word of God to other people through our bible studies and behaviour. If you have a problem with us message the corp ingame.
44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7)
Open Beta Vet 23mil sp
R.I.P Dust 514
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:39:00 -
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Dude, they've been around forever.
First saw them in Chromosome.
One of 'em sent me recruit-mail as a newbro ...
I asked him WTF was up with their name ...
He said something along the lines of ...
"If we can get kids hooked on videogames instead of crack ..."
Funny stuff. But the guy had a point ... kinda :-)
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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IVIaster LUKE
Shadow Company HQ
Lokun Listamenn
514
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:57:00 -
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Jesus saves. o7
"I travel through the darkness carrying my torch. The illest soldier when I'm holding down the Fort."
Gang Starr
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
987
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Posted - 2014.06.03 13:21:00 -
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Start one called GamersForAtheism.
Munch
Anyone who buys AUR now is a fool.
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Denchlad 7
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
285
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:45:00 -
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Im Christian, firstly.
Clones in a game that isnt real =/= Person in real life.
True, quoting our commandments as to say thou shalt not kill is correct, but Game =/= Real Life, defusing the argument already. And its not asif they go around messaging every player in a match trying to convert them to Christianity, do they. Leave them be. This thread is bad taste also as youre criticising peoples beliefs just because they showed them publicly.
If theyre name is causing you a problem, then im afraid you have a problem.
I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. I swear to it.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4792
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Posted - 2014.06.03 14:54:00 -
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It's an interesting point. Christianity is big on prosecuting thought crime. So playing a game where your goal is to kill people should be anathema to gamers who claim to be for Christ.
Unless, of course, this is on the list of things religious people jettison from their ideology in order to function in modern society, (Leviticus I'm looking at you).
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
112
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Posted - 2014.06.03 15:26:00 -
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There are huge misconceptions in this thread about religion, games, corporations, activism...
Just saying, you can take the Bible literally or you can deduce what is meant.
Christians dogmas are nothing more than "applied neo-platonism" , where philosophy and experience converge. Whether you believe or not that killing someone in an online videogame is something harmful for your "soul", it's just up to you.
"If we can get kids hooked on videogames instead of crack ..."
That's a noble point imo, and can really see nothing that contrast with being christian.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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TechMechMeds
Inner.Hell
3483
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:03:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:They've been out for a very long time. Why you care? You wouldn't mind if you saw a corporation named Satan's Minions. So who gives a ****?
Hello.
If you stop moving
You die
Dance with me
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4793
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:11:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion...
You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right?
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
3352
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Posted - 2014.06.03 16:33:00 -
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I don't really see how that these people enjoy playing a violent video game should send them to Hell, or require any especial penitence, which is what you seem to be implying. Now, it's 2:30 AM, so I'm not going to check the veracity of this, but a quick Google search leads me to this paragraph.
Revelations 19:11-16 - ASV wrote:GÇ£And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. And his eyes are a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure. And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty. And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
It is apparently likely that this passage refers to Christ after his ascension.
I think it's relevant, myself.
As I said, though, can't be arsed checking how accurate this is cos I need to sleep :) might come back in the morning.
Chunky Munkey wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion... You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right?
What was the context?
It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating.
Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please.
BlowoutForCPM
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4795
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:01:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion... You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right? What was the context? It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating. Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please.
How about telling people not to keep slaves? Surely that would be higher on the list of priorities than giving said slaves advice on how to avoid a beating.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
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Clone D
418
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:03:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right? What was the context? It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating. Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please.
Yeah, well it also doesn't say, "slaves, liberate yourselves from your masters." It says, "obey them." Whether or not the bible condones human oppression in the form of slavery is questionable, however the moral credibility of the bible can easily be dismissed simply by quantifying the numerous contradictions.
Since you're a scripture person:
A more figurative reference about serving one master is here: Matthew 6:24
Jesus tells peter to put away his weapon: Matthew 26:52
What you do in your heart/mind is your true self: proverbs 23:7
Thinking is doing: Matthew 5:27-28
There is tons of this BS in the bible. The point is that if Christians picked up the damn book and read it, they would realize that games about war and murder are not aligned with the values of their chosen religion. Touting that you are a Christian that plays games about murder is a direct contradiction and indicates a strong pathological defense mechanism.
I'm just wondering how Christians justify playing war games. Would they teach it to their children, or is it something that only an adult can do? So, is looking at po*nography all of a sudden okay because you're not physically involved?
GamersForChrist is a ludicrous thing, from the perspective of an outsider. I am sure they are nice people, but seriously?
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Clone D
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:19:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:...
Personally, I'm christian, swear, probably too much, smoke, play video games and do a ton of other things that should be, according to you, forbidden. But I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion...
Ephesians 4:29 et al - Don't use corrupt/obscene language
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 et al - Your body is a temple.
John 8:11 et al - Go and sin no more.
Now you know.
How do you justify swearing, smoking, etc? Currently, it sounds like you're a faux Christian.
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
1069
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:20:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right? What was the context? It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating. Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please. Yeah, well it also doesn't say, "slaves, liberate yourselves from your masters." It says, "obey them." Whether or not the bible condones human oppression in the form of slavery is questionable, however the moral credibility of the bible can easily be dismissed simply by quantifying the numerous contradictions. Since you're a scripture person: A more figurative reference about serving one master is here: Matthew 6:24 Jesus tells peter to put away his weapon: Matthew 26:52 What you do in your heart/mind is your true self: proverbs 23:7 Thinking is doing: Matthew 5:27-28 There is tons of this BS in the bible. The point is that if Christians picked up the damn book and read it, they would realize that games about war and murder are not aligned with the values of their chosen religion. Touting that you are a Christian that plays games about murder is a direct contradiction and indicates a strong pathological defense mechanism. I'm just wondering how Christians justify playing war games. Would they teach it to their children, or is it something that only an adult can do? So, is looking at po*nography all of a sudden okay because you're not physically involved? GamersForChrist is a ludicrous thing, from the perspective of an outsider. I am sure they are nice people, but seriously?
The problem with all this is you are comparing things between hundreds of years of change.
Back then there were not games with killing involved.
An example, if you worked on a Sunday you are a sinner by the old laws. But the entirety of Sunday has been changed because times have changed.
Even religions can evolve to encompass modern society.
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Clone D
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:32:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:The problem with all this is you are comparing things between hundreds of years of change. Back then there were not games with killing involved. An example, if you worked on a Sunday you are a sinner by the old laws. But the entirety of Sunday has been changed because times have changed. Even religions can evolve to encompass modern society. Edit - correction, there were no video games with killing involved
I agree that religions are subcultures that change over time, however, the concepts I refer to are thematic core concepts to Christianity, not specific to an era. This problem of comparing between hundreds of years of change is moot. According to the bible, if you do it in your mind, so you are.
The only marginally acceptable argument I see is from the standpoint of intent. By playing a video game, one does not physically intend to end another person's life. But that's like saying, by looking at po*nography, the boy did not physically intend to hook up with that skanky ho, so it's ok.
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Vordred Knight
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
195
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Posted - 2014.06.03 17:44:00 -
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ill leave this here yep
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4795
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:00:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Clone D wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right? What was the context? It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating. Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please. Yeah, well it also doesn't say, "slaves, liberate yourselves from your masters." It says, "obey them." Whether or not the bible condones human oppression in the form of slavery is questionable, however the moral credibility of the bible can easily be dismissed simply by quantifying the numerous contradictions. Since you're a scripture person: A more figurative reference about serving one master is here: Matthew 6:24 Jesus tells peter to put away his weapon: Matthew 26:52 What you do in your heart/mind is your true self: proverbs 23:7 Thinking is doing: Matthew 5:27-28 There is tons of this BS in the bible. The point is that if Christians picked up the damn book and read it, they would realize that games about war and murder are not aligned with the values of their chosen religion. Touting that you are a Christian that plays games about murder is a direct contradiction and indicates a strong pathological defense mechanism. I'm just wondering how Christians justify playing war games. Would they teach it to their children, or is it something that only an adult can do? So, is looking at po*nography all of a sudden okay because you're not physically involved? GamersForChrist is a ludicrous thing, from the perspective of an outsider. I am sure they are nice people, but seriously? The problem with all this is you are comparing things between hundreds of years of change. Back then there were not games with killing involved. An example, if you worked on a Sunday you are a sinner by the old laws. But the entirety of Sunday has been changed because times have changed. Even religions can evolve to encompass modern society. Edit - correction, there were no video games with killing involved
So God didn't account for the future? Seems like a glaring ommission for a set of principles intended to be permanent.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
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Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
1069
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:07:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Duran Lex wrote:The problem with all this is you are comparing things between hundreds of years of change. Back then there were not games with killing involved. An example, if you worked on a Sunday you are a sinner by the old laws. But the entirety of Sunday has been changed because times have changed. Even religions can evolve to encompass modern society. Edit - correction, there were no video games with killing involved I agree that religions are subcultures that change over time, however, the concepts I refer to are thematic core concepts to Christianity, not specific to an era. This problem of comparing between hundreds of years of change is moot. According to the bible, if you do it in your mind, so you are. The only marginally acceptable argument I see is from the standpoint of intent. By playing a video game, one does not physically intend to end another person's life. But that's like saying, by looking at po*nography, the boy did not physically intend to hook up with that skanky ho, so it's ok.
You are misinterpreting radicals as the whole of a religion.
There are many different views of the bible and the messages it represents.
For some, it's a factual way of life and they would be opposed to both violent video games and pornagraphy. The religion dictates every step of their life.
To others it's simply guidelines and ideas on how to live a peaceful life coexisting with their fellow man. They may or may not be opposed to violent video games and pornography. They live their life as best they can while following their own morals.
Again, there are many different viewpoints within religions, especially one as widespread as Christianity. |
vlad stoich
Heaven's Lost Property
79
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:10:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Going on a limb here and saying that maybe, just maybe, GamersForChrist is simply a corporation of like minded people with similar beliefs and values who's goal is to congregate with each-other and have fun while doing so.
As opposed to a group of people killing virtual clones in an irrelevant video game in an attempt to convert others towards their religious beliefs.
Horsesh!t. They are a cult. They tried to convert me the other nite. Talk of sacrificing goats and 12 yr old school boys. They offered koolaid at their party. The priest said all of them previous allegations were false, simple misunderstandings.
How dare you try to use commonsense with this community. Sentence should be death by stoning. |
Duran Lex
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
1069
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:10:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Clone D wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right? What was the context? It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating. Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please. Yeah, well it also doesn't say, "slaves, liberate yourselves from your masters." It says, "obey them." Whether or not the bible condones human oppression in the form of slavery is questionable, however the moral credibility of the bible can easily be dismissed simply by quantifying the numerous contradictions. Since you're a scripture person: A more figurative reference about serving one master is here: Matthew 6:24 Jesus tells peter to put away his weapon: Matthew 26:52 What you do in your heart/mind is your true self: proverbs 23:7 Thinking is doing: Matthew 5:27-28 There is tons of this BS in the bible. The point is that if Christians picked up the damn book and read it, they would realize that games about war and murder are not aligned with the values of their chosen religion. Touting that you are a Christian that plays games about murder is a direct contradiction and indicates a strong pathological defense mechanism. I'm just wondering how Christians justify playing war games. Would they teach it to their children, or is it something that only an adult can do? So, is looking at po*nography all of a sudden okay because you're not physically involved? GamersForChrist is a ludicrous thing, from the perspective of an outsider. I am sure they are nice people, but seriously? The problem with all this is you are comparing things between hundreds of years of change. Back then there were not games with killing involved. An example, if you worked on a Sunday you are a sinner by the old laws. But the entirety of Sunday has been changed because times have changed. Even religions can evolve to encompass modern society. Edit - correction, there were no video games with killing involved So God didn't account for the future? Seems like a glaring ommission for a set of principles intended to be permanent.
God didn't write the bible.
Humans are unable to predict the future.
I'm sure you can piece together why philosophies change over time. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4795
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Posted - 2014.06.03 18:33:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Clone D wrote:
Yeah, well it also doesn't say, "slaves, liberate yourselves from your masters." It says, "obey them." Whether or not the bible condones human oppression in the form of slavery is questionable, however the moral credibility of the bible can easily be dismissed simply by quantifying the numerous contradictions.
Since you're a scripture person:
A more figurative reference about serving one master is here: Matthew 6:24
Jesus tells peter to put away his weapon: Matthew 26:52
What you do in your heart/mind is your true self: proverbs 23:7
Thinking is doing: Matthew 5:27-28
There is tons of this BS in the bible. The point is that if Christians picked up the damn book and read it, they would realize that games about war and murder are not aligned with the values of their chosen religion. Touting that you are a Christian that plays games about murder is a direct contradiction and indicates a strong pathological defense mechanism.
I'm just wondering how Christians justify playing war games. Would they teach it to their children, or is it something that only an adult can do? So, is looking at po*nography all of a sudden okay because you're not physically involved?
GamersForChrist is a ludicrous thing, from the perspective of an outsider. I am sure they are nice people, but seriously?
The problem with all this is you are comparing things between hundreds of years of change. Back then there were not games with killing involved. An example, if you worked on a Sunday you are a sinner by the old laws. But the entirety of Sunday has been changed because times have changed. Even religions can evolve to encompass modern society. Edit - correction, there were no video games with killing involved So God didn't account for the future? Seems like a glaring ommission for a set of principles intended to be permanent. God didn't write the bible. Humans are unable to predict the future. I'm sure you can piece together why philosophies can change over time.
Philosophies don't change over time. The philosophy behind the scientific method has existed for millennia. The bad philosophoes get ditched in favour of the better ones.
The only time you see them change is when people are too attatched to them to let go, and are forced to shoehorn them into modern society.
And besides that; if you can't rely upon the testimony of the people who compiled the bible, then what good are their books when they make such profound claims?
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Clone D
423
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Posted - 2014.06.03 19:04:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Again, there are many different viewpoints within religions, especially one as widespread as Christianity.
I hear ya. Some people profess to be something and choose only the aspects that appeal to them. Microreligions.
Still, if there were one place where I could go and not have to see/hear Christ somewhere, that would be a sweet sanctuary for me. I thought I could find an oasis among the belligerence of violence and war, but I was wrong. Alas, they have permeated every last vacuole. I wouldn't make anything of it if they didn't wear it on their sleeve.
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One Eyed King
Land of the BIind
1772
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Posted - 2014.06.03 21:33:00 -
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 Clone D wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Again, there are many different viewpoints within religions, especially one as widespread as Christianity. I hear ya. Some people profess to be something and choose only the aspects that appeal to them. Microreligions. Still, if there were one place where I could go and not have to see/hear Christ somewhere, that would be a sweet sanctuary for me. I thought I could find an oasis among the belligerence of violence and war, but I was wrong. Alas, they have permeated every last vacuole. I wouldn't make anything of it if they didn't wear it on their sleeve.
I bet there are plenty of atheist gathering spaces. I hear there are no atheists in foxholes.
On another note, you could try some of the patience and tolerance you seem to think these others lack. What is it to you what they wear on their sleeves? I am a huge Steelers fan. You don't hear people complaining about sports fans wearing it on their sleeve. Or gamers who proudly display what they love. There is plenty of room for everyone.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10435
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Posted - 2014.06.03 21:37:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion... You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right? What was the context? It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating. Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please. How about telling people not to keep slaves? Surely that would be higher on the list of priorities than giving said slaves advice on how to avoid a beating.
Well the ideal that slavery is wrong is only a social construct..... slavery in antiquity was both simply a form of labour and also in some cases a supplication to a patron so as to provide the slave with the means to survive and live in a reasonable comfort rather than waste away and die in the streets.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
115
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Posted - 2014.06.03 22:15:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:...
Personally, I'm christian, swear, probably too much, smoke, play video games and do a ton of other things that should be, according to you, forbidden. But I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion... Ephesians 4:29 et al - Don't use corrupt/obscene language 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 et al - Your body is a temple. John 8:11 et al - Go and sin no more. Now you know. How do you justify swearing, smoking, etc? Currently, it sounds like you're a faux Christian.
You mentioned no words I'm interested in. I suppose you already know who wrote the letters to the Ephesians and the corinthians, right? It's like saying every pope was always right.
Ei fu,
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Onesimus Tarsus
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
2049
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Posted - 2014.06.03 22:23:00 -
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Wow, a full-blown discussion of religion in GD, and no moderation hammer...
Oh that's right, we're beating up on Christians. Carry on, eh?
Battlefield 1943. Running since 2009. I'm diskinetic, BTW.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
115
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Posted - 2014.06.03 22:33:00 -
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Your post is like yelling at religions telling them to be fundamentalists.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Clone D
425
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Posted - 2014.06.03 22:45:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Your post is like yelling at religions telling them to be fundamentalists.
Everyone gets to do whatever they want by nature within the constraints of reality. I am merely commenting on the logic behind this one specific seeming contradiction. I only care because I became momentarily nauseous.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
115
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Posted - 2014.06.03 22:56:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Your post is like yelling at religions telling them to be fundamentalists. Everyone gets to do whatever they want by nature within the constraints of reality. I am merely commenting on the logic behind this one specific seeming contradiction. I only care because I became momentarily nauseous.
Why? Can't they name a corporation as they want? What's wrong?
This is a game, no one is dying, is much more a kind of "sport", where you test your skills, than a "killing simulation". And if you see these games as a killing sim, you'd better stop playing right now.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Clone D
425
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:02:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Why? Can't they name a corporation as they want? What's wrong?
This is a game, no one is dying, is much more a kind of "sport", where you test your skills, than a "killing simulation". And if you see these games as a killing sim, you'd better stop playing right now.
Each person's religion or lack thereof is specific to that individual. I was quite presumptuous to assume that the GamersForChrist had any semblance of traditional Christian virtue. Christianity is whatever anyone wants it to be. It's like the new Hinduism.
Peace
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
116
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:10:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Why? Can't they name a corporation as they want? What's wrong?
This is a game, no one is dying, is much more a kind of "sport", where you test your skills, than a "killing simulation". And if you see these games as a killing sim, you'd better stop playing right now. Each person's religion or lack thereof is specific to that individual. I was quite presumptuous to assume that the GamersForChrist had any semblance of traditional Christian virtue. Christianity is whatever anyone wants it to be. It's like the new Hinduism. Peace
Well, I don't really know about them, I was simply speaking for myself.
I don't think Christianity is whatever anyone wants it to be, but at least I know I am free enough to construe the Bible or whatever other book myself.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Denchlad 7
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
287
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:11:00 -
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Surprised this hasnt been locked. But as a close, Atheists bashing Christians, just because you dont believe in it it doesnt give you a right to bash people for something they believe in - regardless of how stupid it is in your eyes.
It works vice verca too. Im not gonna have a go at Atheists cause they dont believe in what I believe in. Same for Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, etc. I wish I understood why there is so much hate for Christians though.
I will be the only player to Prototype every single god damn weapon before Dust dies. I swear to it.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4796
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:38:00 -
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Denchlad 7 wrote:just because you dont believe in it it doesnt give you a right to bash people for something they believe in
You're right, it doesn't give me the right.
Because I've had that right from birth. It's called free speech.
If somebody wants to express an idea, others are free to scrutinise it. If you don't like the exchange of ideas, you really shouldn't be on a discussion forum.
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RIP Dust514.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4796
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:40:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Clone D wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Your post is like yelling at religions telling them to be fundamentalists. Everyone gets to do whatever they want by nature within the constraints of reality. I am merely commenting on the logic behind this one specific seeming contradiction. I only care because I became momentarily nauseous. Why? Can't they name a corporation as they want? What's wrong? This is a game, no one is dying, is much more a kind of "sport", where you test your skills, than a "killing simulation". And if you see these games as a killing sim, you'd better stop playing right now.
I think you may have missed the OP's point entirely.
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RIP Dust514.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4796
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:40:00 -
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Onesimus Tarsus wrote:Wow, a full-blown discussion of religion in GD, and no moderation hammer...
Oh that's right, we're beating up on Christians. Carry on, eh?
Yes, you guys are so persecuted.
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RIP Dust514.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4796
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion... You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right? What was the context? It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating. Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please. How about telling people not to keep slaves? Surely that would be higher on the list of priorities than giving said slaves advice on how to avoid a beating. Well the ideal that slavery is wrong is only a social construct..... slavery in antiquity was both simply a form of labour and also in some cases a supplication to a patron so as to provide the slave with the means to survive and live in a reasonable comfort rather than waste away and die in the streets.
"Just a social construct"
*facepalm*
Think about what you're saying here;
Rather than just accepting that the bible is a poor standard, you're actually trying to make excuses for slavery. It's astonishing what a little faith can drive people to do & say.
RIP Stinky Sleeve.
RIP Dust514.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
116
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:48:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Clone D wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:Your post is like yelling at religions telling them to be fundamentalists. Everyone gets to do whatever they want by nature within the constraints of reality. I am merely commenting on the logic behind this one specific seeming contradiction. I only care because I became momentarily nauseous. Why? Can't they name a corporation as they want? What's wrong? This is a game, no one is dying, is much more a kind of "sport", where you test your skills, than a "killing simulation". And if you see these games as a killing sim, you'd better stop playing right now. I think you may have missed the OP's point entirely.
Quote:I just saw a corp named GamersForChrist. It gave me a chill. I literally shivered.
What's up with proselytizing murderers? I.e. people who kill and then try to convert others to their religion.
It is a serious quandary. I am an athiest, but I know a lot about several religions, including Christianity.
1. One of the foundational precepts of Christianity is to keep the mind pure. Doing something in your heart/mind is viewed as being the same as actually doing it in reality.
2. Does it help anyone, or show love to anyone? Christ expressly left a message of love with his actions. I cannot envision him playing this game, but I could imagine him socializing with people who do play video games.
3. It is a worldly influence that does not glorify god or promote the values of Christianity.
4. It is a direct simulation of a forbidden behavior. Thou shalt not kill.
Please explain then...
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
4796
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:53:00 -
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Freccia di Lybra wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Freccia di Lybra wrote:
Why? Can't they name a corporation as they want? What's wrong?
This is a game, no one is dying, is much more a kind of "sport", where you test your skills, than a "killing simulation". And if you see these games as a killing sim, you'd better stop playing right now.
I think you may have missed the OP's point entirely. Quote:I just saw a corp named GamersForChrist. It gave me a chill. I literally shivered.
What's up with proselytizing murderers? I.e. people who kill and then try to convert others to their religion. Please explain then...
Kudos on the quote-mine
The OP never said G4C couldn't/shouldn't have their name, just that the name would make no sense if it were sincere.
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RIP Dust514.
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Freccia di Lybra
Maphia Clan Corporation
116
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Posted - 2014.06.03 23:56:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Kudos on the quote-mine The OP never said G4C couldn't/shouldn't have their name, just that the name would make no sense if it were sincere.
Thanks.
That's why I said
Quote:This is a game, no one is dying, is much more a kind of "sport", where you test your skills, than a "killing simulation". And if you see these games as a killing sim, you'd better stop playing right now.
Ei fu,
xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
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Meiko Shiraki
A.P.E.X BRUTE FORCE
19
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Posted - 2014.06.04 00:52:00 -
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OP, you have a very narrow view on the lives of religious people. I would suggest you spend some time with them, not trying to be converted or convert them, but just living with them. Hanging out. Bumping shoulders while at a local coffee shop. Taking a philosophy class at a college. Going to see a movie. normal stuff... with them.
Oh, they're normal people. just like you. just like me. just like everyone. That they try to live their lives to the degree they interpret their OWN religion should not upset you just because you have an opinion on what their religion should be. |
PLAYSTTION
Universal Allies Inc.
160
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Posted - 2014.06.04 01:15:00 -
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Denchlad 7 wrote:Im Christian, firstly.
Clones in a game that isnt real =/= Person in real life.
True, quoting our commandments as to say thou shalt not kill is correct, but Game =/= Real Life, defusing the argument already. And its not asif they go around messaging every player in a match trying to convert them to Christianity, do they. Leave them be. This thread is bad taste also as youre criticising peoples beliefs just because they showed them publicly.
If theyre name is causing you a problem, then im afraid you have a problem.
DUDE!!! come to GFC. were actually really good players, just a small group. Or at least join the GamersForChrist chat channel.
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