They've been out for a very long time. Why you care? You wouldn't mind if you saw a corporation named Satan's Minions. So who gives a ****?

I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion...

GÇ£And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and he that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. And his eyes are a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems; and he hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. And he is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure. And out of his mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty. And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

You know Jesus said slaves should obey their masters right?

What was the context?

It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating.

Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please.

What was the context?

It is entirely sensible that slaves should obey their masters; not doing so has historically led to a rapid beating.

Advocating that slaves should obey their masters =/= advocating slavery, necessarily. But also context, please.

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Personally, I'm christian, swear, probably too much, smoke, play video games and do a ton of other things that should be, according to you, forbidden. But I do believe there's a "God" and I do believe that anything Jesus said was right. But that's just my point of view, from what I've read and from my experience. It would be a much more complicated philosophical discussion...

Yeah, well it also doesn't say, "slaves, liberate yourselves from your masters." It says, "obey them." Whether or not the bible condones human oppression in the form of slavery is questionable, however the moral credibility of the bible can easily be dismissed simply by quantifying the numerous contradictions.

Since you're a scripture person:
A more figurative reference about serving one master is here: Matthew 6:24
Jesus tells peter to put away his weapon: Matthew 26:52
What you do in your heart/mind is your true self: proverbs 23:7
Thinking is doing: Matthew 5:27-28

There is tons of this BS in the bible. The point is that if Christians picked up the damn book and read it, they would realize that games about war and murder are not aligned with the values of their chosen religion. Touting that you are a Christian that plays games about murder is a direct contradiction and indicates a strong pathological defense mechanism.

I'm just wondering how Christians justify playing war games. Would they teach it to their children, or is it something that only an adult can do? So, is looking at po*nography all of a sudden okay because you're not physically involved?

GamersForChrist is a ludicrous thing, from the perspective of an outsider. I am sure they are nice people, but seriously?

The problem with all this is you are comparing things between hundreds of years of change.

Back then there were not games with killing involved.

An example, if you worked on a Sunday you are a sinner by the old laws. But the entirety of Sunday has been changed because times have changed.

Even religions can evolve to encompass modern society.

Edit - correction, there were no video games with killing involved

The problem with all this is you are comparing things between hundreds of years of change.

Back then there were not games with killing involved.

An example, if you worked on a Sunday you are a sinner by the old laws. But the entirety of Sunday has been changed because times have changed.

Even religions can evolve to encompass modern society.

Edit - correction, there were no video games with killing involved

I agree that religions are subcultures that change over time, however, the concepts I refer to are thematic core concepts to Christianity, not specific to an era. This problem of comparing between hundreds of years of change is moot. According to the bible, if you do it in your mind, so you are.

The only marginally acceptable argument I see is from the standpoint of intent. By playing a video game, one does not physically intend to end another person's life. But that's like saying, by looking at po*nography, the boy did not physically intend to hook up with that skanky ho, so it's ok.

Going on a limb here and saying that maybe, just maybe, GamersForChrist is simply a corporation of like minded people with similar beliefs and values who's goal is to congregate with each-other and have fun while doing so.

As opposed to a group of people killing virtual clones in an irrelevant video game in an attempt to convert others towards their religious beliefs.

So God didn't account for the future? Seems like a glaring ommission for a set of principles intended to be permanent.

God didn't write the bible.

Humans are unable to predict the future.

I'm sure you can piece together why philosophies can change over time.

Again, there are many different viewpoints within religions, especially one as widespread as Christianity.

I hear ya. Some people profess to be something and choose only the aspects that appeal to them. Microreligions.

Still, if there were one place where I could go and not have to see/hear Christ somewhere, that would be a sweet sanctuary for me. I thought I could find an oasis among the belligerence of violence and war, but I was wrong. Alas, they have permeated every last vacuole. I wouldn't make anything of it if they didn't wear it on their sleeve.

How about telling people not to keep slaves? Surely that would be higher on the list of priorities than giving said slaves advice on how to avoid a beating.

Ephesians 4:29 et al - Don't use corrupt/obscene language
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 et al - Your body is a temple.
John 8:11 et al - Go and sin no more.

Now you know.

How do you justify swearing, smoking, etc? Currently, it sounds like you're a faux Christian.

Your post is like yelling at religions telling them to be fundamentalists.

Everyone gets to do whatever they want by nature within the constraints of reality. I am merely commenting on the logic behind this one specific seeming contradiction. I only care because I became momentarily nauseous.

Why? Can't they name a corporation as they want? What's wrong?
This is a game, no one is dying, is much more a kind of "sport", where you test your skills, than a "killing simulation". And if you see these games as a killing sim, you'd better stop playing right now.

Each person's religion or lack thereof is specific to that individual. I was quite presumptuous to assume that the GamersForChrist had any semblance of traditional Christian virtue. Christianity is whatever anyone wants it to be. It's like the new Hinduism.

Peace

just because you dont believe in it it doesnt give you a right to bash people for something they believe in

Why? Can't they name a corporation as they want? What's wrong?
This is a game, no one is dying, is much more a kind of "sport", where you test your skills, than a "killing simulation". And if you see these games as a killing sim, you'd better stop playing right now.

Wow, a full-blown discussion of religion in GD, and no moderation hammer...

Oh that's right, we're beating up on Christians. Carry on, eh?

Well the ideal that slavery is wrong is only a social construct..... slavery in antiquity was both simply a form of labour and also in some cases a supplication to a patron so as to provide the slave with the means to survive and live in a reasonable comfort rather than waste away and die in the streets.