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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
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Posted - 2014.05.31 15:42:00 -
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Disclaimer: I have a gal scout and a gal logi, suit upgrades tree is maxed, except a few a skills that i don't need, i have enough SP to skill another proto suit.
(i would like min logi because gal logi bonus suck, don't force me to cal scout)
This is my conclusion.
The ability to scan/not be scanned is a power that none of the scout should have if not specifically build for E-war purpose.
In other games the ability to see enemies through the walls is a cheat, here is legalized by CCP, in the form of the caldari and gallente scouts.
PSN: ogamega
Never f* with a Galdari.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2217
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Posted - 2014.05.31 22:33:00 -
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Atiim wrote:So basically make e-WAR useless on anything other than an ADV/PRO Scout?
No, base stats of the light frame are enough to make them more suitable to e-war than other suits, but if you don't consider cal and gal bonus, other frames would be able to compete in e-war with scouts that do not fit e-war modules.
But the question for you is, would you bet on a sumo warrior or on a marathoner in a long foot race?
You can train the sumo warrior to be fast and resistant, but the marathoner will still be better.
Cal and gal should have another bonus not related to e-war.
This is the flow chart of how thing should go:
You want to tank your scout?
Yes> then no wallhack for you
No> choose what you want, speed, scan, hack, stamina, range, damps
Obviously gal scout would still be better at dampening than caldari, because its slot layout, but it would be on par with amarr scout.
Caldari will still be better at scan because its slot layout.
Minmatar have the bonus on hack and is more versatile than all the other scouts, always because the slot layout.
Crimson ShieId wrote:Because there should be no reason to use scouts, right? I suppose while we're at it, we should nerf heavy health as well, make every suit the same, just with different skins, then the players can build them however they want.
My Minja rejects your nerfs from hell and proposes everyone uses dampeners to hide from the Caldari scouts.
Read above and don't be stupid.
BTW your minja can't evade caldari scan even if you use dampeners.
PSN: ogamega
Never f* with a Galdari.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2220
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Posted - 2014.06.01 09:38:00 -
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Arcturis Vanguard wrote:I could be interested in scouts having one ewar related passive bonus and another bonus to complement a designated task a scout regularly performs, problem though is there are only three tiers of ewarfare and 4 races. Maybe two races could double up on a ewar stat but with a different secondary bonus would differentiate "play styles". As of right now, only two races compete in ewar and two are left out.
I believe that e-war is just to powerful to leave it to 2 scout and i would not give bonus related to EW, like i've said above, gal and amarr would be better in dampening, caldari would be better in precision and minnie with its current stats and bonus would be as good as the other scout trading, able to do both but not at the level of other scout (at proto level).
I also believ that light frame stats should be toned down a bit, to let a other suit compete in EW.
I don't know if a logi can do some EW now, but i believe that an ADV logi should compete with a STD scout in EW, if the logi is highly specced in EW and the scout is not EW tanked.
PSN: ogamega
Never f* with a Galdari.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2226
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Posted - 2014.06.01 18:15:00 -
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fragmentedhackslash wrote:shaman oga wrote:Atiim wrote:So basically make e-WAR useless on anything other than an ADV/PRO Scout? Minmatar have the bonus on hack and is more versatile than all the other scouts, always because the slot layout. Try fitting a Minmatar scout with the same teir of modules as the suit and it busts the CPU/PG. Has up to 500 less EHP... oh but we can run fast? Doesnt help when you get shot from anythin up to 200 meters and instantly slow to walking speed.
Don't cut quotes , at least don't cut quotes when there is another part that is more important, i'm talking about EW, where only slot layout dictate EW efficiency, not about eHP or if a scout is better than another.
PSN: ogamega
Never f* with a Galdari.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2226
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Posted - 2014.06.01 23:00:00 -
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@Crimson ShieId
The point is that i believe that light frame has already enough EW power with suit stats, their better stats allow them to beat all the other frames in EW and this is right.
All the light frame dropsuit are suitable to EW, but two of them are more than suitable, they bring EW to a level that is not reachable by any other suit in the game, define cal and gal scout OP is correct and numbers says i'm right.
MIn scout is not OP, min scout is balanced, with your bonus you can hack faster than most of the other suits, but your level is reachable by other suits if they sacrifice their slots and that is the difference.
I'm not suggesting to give nothing to cal and gal scout, i'm suggesting to give them something else that is not EW related.
I have noticed that most of the time on the minimap redwings are the new suits (likely to be heavies\commandos, 6 out of 8 new suits), you can also see if it's a heavy by watching his speed.
PSN: ogamega
Never f* with a Galdari.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
2226
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Posted - 2014.06.02 11:27:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
Interesting that you want the scouts nerfed because it's too easy for them to ewar, when you have a gal logi... you know, the suit that can scan anything (on the new build) while having 1000+HP.
I have also a gal scout and it's far more effective than a gal logi in scanning sorroundings.
WIth 2 precision mod i scan better than a proto scanner inside 40 meters and i do this permanently, i have 2 equipment slot free for what i want and all the low slot free.
To scan for a decent amount of time with a gal logi i have to use 3 scanners and to scan everything is have to use focused version.
That kills the purpose of a logi, i've always been against bonus on equipments, the number of logi left in the game is dropped, vast majority of the players are scout, heavy or pilots because their class work and it's fun to play, bonus on equip has locked the class of logistics.
To use your logi you are forced to use more than 1 equip you have your bonus, the only exception is min logi.
BTW, i don't like to tank, i don't tank scouts, i don't tank to a extreme level my gal logi too.
PSN: ogamega
Never f* with a Galdari.
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