"Fine" was maybe overstating it. When we get Alpha out, I will start the feedback loop for Hotfix Beta. I can imagine the main topics being vehicle TTK, assault suits, sidearms to name a few

I think it will be hard to change TTK for vehicle/vehicle without hurting IAV/VEH balance. The only way to do it is to nerf turrets and then tankers will cry a river.

My suggestion is to head in the direction of nerfing vehicles and lowering prices on vehicles. They should be balanced agaonst infantry first, then each other. If you reverse that order you can never balance them against infantry.

The main problems, are the 80GJ Blaster and 80GJ Railgun.

If you keep the blaster tanks out of ambush, i'll stop bringing in my militia rail! I know it cost you a ton when I blow up your madruger blaster, and I don't care! If you're ***hole enough to run blaster tanks in ambush against troops, i'm ya huckleberry! I don't even have points into tanks, which truly says something about you so-called "tankers"?! The only true tankers are Bezerka fist, enders shadoww, and all other pre 1.7 tankers. The rest of you are fotm tankers who are now qq cuz you can't get 6 in ambush anymore?! Get on foot, and make it happen like the rest of us. Or feel my rail wrath!

What are damage mods?

They are actually. The problem these tankers are having is that they don't build their tanks for tank on tank fights. They build them to troll troops in ambush. So when a tank buster shows up they get hurt bad. If you're lucky enough to ever see two tank busters go at it, it's a treat!

I'm more inclined to agree that a highly skilled dropshipper should be able to kill a tanker in a single strafing run.

Much like an LAV turret should have a powerful anti vehicle capacity that allows them to engage Tanks and Dropships.

FYI

dropships

assault dropships

Gawd Dammit. I'm done with most of these newbs in the community. I'm just done. All you do is lose and then blame "Balance". It is pathetic. And for some reason CCP Ratatti keeps blue tagging these stupid as hell complaints. It makes no sense. There are no problems. YOu not being a good tanker is not a CCP issue it is a "you aren't a good tanker so keep practicing or PICK SOMETHING ELSE" problem.

I'm just done with this crap from you guys. All you losers keep doing is attempt to ruin the only balanced parts of the game.

And yet HAVs should be able to just smash a Dropship by doing something as easy as aiming an 80GJ Railgun or Large Missile Launcher at them in such a short time?

I'm not sure what he means by a Short period of time. It takes my Python a clip and a half to kill an un-tanked Soma. I find them only to be tank terrors when their flying with a semi competent gunner.

Standard DS in my opinion need more a but more PG/CPU to help fit a decent tank in exchange for less mobility. Something also needs to change with the active damage mod to help lower the amount of damage large turrets can put out.

Hey, don't put missile turrets alongside rails. Missiles are not easy to use. They have considerable flight time to account for. You have to react fast and have accurate judgement of how much you need to lead the dropship. I often end up missing my first 3-5 missiles, after which I must quickly compensate and even then there's no guarantee that the rest of the missiles will hit, allowing the dropship to just barely escape.

You still need positioning against HAVs, especially shield ones (unless you're using a damage amp, which I'm not, though dage amps need some serious nerfing anyways).

1.6 was much closer to achieving balance than the current state of the game...

Yeah sure back then I avoided Madrugars and forge guns like the devil itself and missile launchers sucked, but getting two-shotted by a railgun tank almost every match right now is even worse.

have to agree all what you see in competetive matches are gunnlogis with tripple damage mods and a railgun. And usually they have some armor tank on aswell. Damage mods either need to be limited to 1 per fit, reduced damage boost or increased fitting cost. This reminds me back into the closed beta where it was possible to kill even the hardest tank with 2 railgun hits.

1) Not entirely sure why this thread continues to get bumped

2) Yes, I have to agree Double Damage mod and Triple Damage mod rails are frustrating but my incubus fits survives two shots. I know when I have been hit by it so I just get away and press the down button and the get to harassing the hell out of it. Obviously, in the dom maps there are some terrible players who just end up so deep in their own red it's disgusting.

3) If two tanks are brought out and then, suddenly, it's impossible to bring out another vehicle then that is because they control the map. It isn't imbalance. Everyone spawns in with plenty of time to summon a vehicle and press the down button and zoom in at the enemy redline and see what they are calling in.

4) I've re read through the forum and I'm having hard time finding any evidence that vehicle vs vehicle is so imbalanced. TTK is about the same as Inf vs Inf. In perspective, it makes sense that Vehicle vs Vehicle battles aren't prolonged. They are bad enough when two triple rep middy's with blasters are up against eachother.

If one team achieves vehicle dominance where the other team is either completely unable to bring in a vehicle then, in 90% of the cases I have witnessed, a sign of skill on their part and not a sign of imbalance.

Keep complaining though. I'm excited for my MLT missile tank to be able to be on better footing against expensive rail tanks.

If you're running a glass cannon, don't ***** when your HAV gets blown up inside 5 seconds.