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Meee One
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Posted - 2014.05.25 22:59:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Increasing the Base hack up to 1.25 means that a PRO Min Scout with Hack V will have a base hack w/o codebreakers at 1.9 Factor
This means that you hack 1.9 "Units" per second. Units per hack is 10. This means you will have a 5.26s Hack speed w/o modules.
Slap on a single codebreaker. This jumps up to 2.4 "Units" per second. This gives you a 4.2s Hack speed.
Max you can get?
3.06 Units per second. Or roughly a 3 second hack.
This is a good change, as it doesn't make their max hack any faster. The max is still around 3s
This does mean that a Min Scout with 2 damps and a codebreaker will hack faster than a Gal or Amarr who try to use the extra low slot to do the same job.This prevents their role theft, and solidifies their abilities as the "Ninja Hackers"
It's good in my book!
Lol
Such hypocrisy,talking about role theft in a thread about making a scout better than its logi counterpart.
-1
I disagree for a faster speed.
Logis are supposed to be the best at logistical work.
EG. Supplies,capturing secured buildings/installations.
Scouts are supposed to be better at stealth hacks,not faster hackers.
Logis give up base stats and a sidearm to assaults...don't make them sacrifice for scouts too.
I would suggest a bonus that would be more scout oriented instead of stealing from logis.
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Meee One
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.05.26 14:02:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Rofl, if you didn't know bud, the min scout is SUPPOSED to be a fast hacker.
Hence it's bonus to hack speed.
FTFY
The bonus of which you speak was originally on the Min logi...
And now has been integrated into the suit itself.
Don't get arrogant and think it was always there.
Logis require cover while scouts can do it solo because of their stealth and speed.
Logis should be the fastest hackers,just as scouts are the sneakiest suits.
Each suit has it's roles very well defined.
Heavy:point defense
Mediums/assault:frontline attacker
Logis:Supply/acquisition (hacking)
Light/Scouts:stealth/subterfuge (stealth hacking)
Logis hacking is fastest because it isn't hidden.
Scouts trade hack speed for stealth.
tl;dr The installations are all yellow (logi colored) why wouldn't a logi have the advantage hacking them?
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Meee One
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.05.26 14:33:00 -
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Spartan MK420 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Thanks ghost for confirming the leg work for me.
The min needs to be not just marginally better, but have a definitive edge in the realm of ninja hacking.
I think think is a minor tweak we can all get behind. It certainly seems well thought out. honestly, the hack modules should go into the high slots, and the min logi should be nerfed to other logi hack speeds
"Kill our lifeblood" he says.
Lolno.
Logistics should be the best at logistical work,not scouts.
Scouts should never be a "one man army" they should have to rely on logis just like logis have to rely on other suits for cover.
Any more "buffs" would only exaserbate the current assault scout plague.
TL;DR It's called logistics for a reason,it's a battle field engineer.
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Meee One
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.05.26 14:58:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Meee One wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Increasing the Base hack up to 1.25 means that a PRO Min Scout with Hack V will have a base hack w/o codebreakers at 1.9 Factor
This means that you hack 1.9 "Units" per second. Units per hack is 10. This means you will have a 5.26s Hack speed w/o modules.
Slap on a single codebreaker. This jumps up to 2.4 "Units" per second. This gives you a 4.2s Hack speed.
Max you can get?
3.06 Units per second. Or roughly a 3 second hack.
This is a good change, as it doesn't make their max hack any faster. The max is still around 3s
This does mean that a Min Scout with 2 damps and a codebreaker will hack faster than a Gal or Amarr who try to use the extra low slot to do the same job.This prevents their role theft, and solidifies their abilities as the "Ninja Hackers"
It's good in my book! Lol Such hypocrisy,talking about role theft in a thread about making a scout better than its logi counterpart. -1 I disagree for a faster speed. Logis are supposed to be the best at logistical work. EG. Supplies,capturing secured buildings/installations. Scouts are supposed to be better at stealth hacks,not faster hackers. Currently the only base stat Min logis accel in is hack speed. Logis give up base stats and a sidearm to assaults...don't make them sacrifice for scouts too. I would suggest a bonus that would be more scout oriented instead of stealing from logis. For example:Min scout gains a % dampening bonus while hacking. This would make them harder to detect,more fitting to the "stealth hacker" role. Min Logi's have a role. If you didn't know, they get in INSANE boost to the Rep tool, which makes them invaluable in PC. What role does the Min Scout have? NOTHING. The move to make them the speed hackers was a smart one, it allows them to use their stealth to quickly take care of a lone defender and hack a point quickly. Then they defend it. You want the Logi to be the hacker? Then give me a bonus that makes me PC viable. EDIT: Gimme a sec, actually just read the post. Holy Hell that's stupid. IF YOU'RE HACKING AN OBJECTIVE, EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS WHERE YOU ARE. THAT LETTER FLASHES FOR F*CKS SAKE!
There's more to hack then just NULL cannons.
Here's a sample list of things that can be hacked without them alerting your enemies:
-Vehicles
-CRUs
-Supply depots
-Turret installations
Scouts should never be bold enough to charge a point.
They should focus on subterfuge...
For example:
-Sneaking pass enemies to hack a CRU that your allies can assault from.
Just as logistics isn't meant to charge a point by itself,scouts shouldn't be able to either.
These are both support units designed to keep others fighting,not to fight themselves.
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Meee One
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.05.26 15:09:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2180320#post2180320
If the above idea is put in Min scouts could have an innately low dB to hacking,while Amarr scouts could have an innately low dB to killing.
This is a scout worthy bonus,and would allow each scout to be the best at something stealth related.
Min:Stealth hack
Gal:Stealth dampening
Cal:Stealth scanning
Amarr:Stealth killing
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Meee One
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP
Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.05.28 19:58:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Bump. I am hoping for a clear answer on whether we can have this implemented! <3
If CCP wants a balanced game the answer will be "hell no!"
Logis suffer in every stat but hacking,and you desire to deprive them of even that.
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